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Harelip Jenkins
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:05:00 - [1411]
 

ugh...

Destroying the 3rd party app community that built Eve with the $99 fee then introducing pay to win... It's like a one/two nut punch to anybody that gives a **** about this game.

Sounds like CCP has already given up on Eve and is just looking to cash out.

I'll let my accounts run for a couple more months to see if this crap is walked back for no other reason than atm I don't know of a decent MMO to switch to.

Maybe the CCP failcascade will open the door for a new developer to step in and fill the niche.


Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:05:00 - [1412]
 

Originally by: Joao Duarte
Originally by: Zephy Russ
Edited by: Zephy Russ on 23/06/2011 14:52:57

Quote:
For discussion about value of vanity items, find the apropriate thread.

Your lack of money is offensive. Please avert your eyes.



Comforting to see that money != brains.


ha ha i caught what you did there... nice.... coding helped for once

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:05:00 - [1413]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Republica Winder
They never see the urgency in the need to respond quickly to the whole customer base giving them a collective F-U!!!!!!!! to a terrible decision.

Um, no. Don't you get it? CCP's silence is their collective F-U!!!!!!!! to us.

And my canceled accounts (this one was only still active by accident) is my F-U right back to them. Hell, they are lucky I didn't call my bank and file a chargeback. Easy to do, especially when dealing with a charge from a foreign company.


More power to ya, mate! I'm very close to it myself. Only thing holding me back so far is that I'm still holding out for an official CCP response (yes, I know, deluded).


Right now all options are on the table IMHO. What CCP has done is "broken the social contract". So all bets are off. Since I really don't care if I ever play EVE again, why not cash all the way out? 50+ million SP capital pilots are still worth money, right?

Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:05:00 - [1414]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom


you both are so ****ing stupid and the troll thing is so tired... i can afford a digital "**** you" t-shirt and whatever bull**** they have but it isnt even important to the game... im never going to see your gay ass monocle (who weres those anyway) and once they do open up the rest of the station and we get to shake hands ill still not care what the hell your wearing... but all this just leads to other things to buy like a drug that makes you fly in human form in the station and then weapons ships and **** and then sectors of space will be for sell and then you can buy your own expansion with your name on it that all US poor ppl have to install and in this patch your given a concord ship and can blow up whoever you want... yeah im mad cuz im poor NOT im mad cuz you are ******


How cute, the peasant appears to be vexed for some reason. My dear fellow, what is the matter?

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:07:00 - [1415]
 

Inappropriate comment removed. Spitfire

Abelard Nightbringer
New Foundation
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:10:00 - [1416]
 

Originally by: Quetazoid
Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).


^^ This.

Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:11:00 - [1417]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom

why are you talking like you're gay?

I cannot understand you because you are talking like a lowly peasant. I understand that it is not your fault, however.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:12:00 - [1418]
 

Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer
Originally by: Quetazoid
Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).


^^ This.


Keep exposing your ignorance of the production side of the economy, aka THE THING THAT MAKES THE ECONOMY RUN.

But nah, I guess if CCP poofs in some faction POS for you, that's exactly the same. Can't be bad for the market at all, nope.

Irascor Luclin
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:12:00 - [1419]
 

I can't help but feel like we all did when Napster was called out by Lars Ulrich.

I know that stealing music isn't right, they deserve money for their hard work, but after that I'm pretty sure Metallica fell off the face of the planet.

Where is EVE going?

Joao Duarte
Selflessness
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:15:00 - [1420]
 

Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer
Originally by: Quetazoid
Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).


^^ This.


I think at least one of the problems there is that the POS you buy in the store wasn't manufactured, like the clothes and monocles aren't manufactured by any player. At the moment if you buy a POS with ISK someone manufactured it using in game minerals or comodities that someone harvested somewhere in New Eden and got their ISK for it. Most people are against shortcuts provided by real world money.

Blaze Stark
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:15:00 - [1421]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
This are customer-unfriendly practices, yes, sanctioned and often used int he industry (not just IT, everywhere), and still SO WRONG if you have any kind of morale.


"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity." (Hunter S. Thompson)

Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:15:00 - [1422]
 

This game has been in a nose dive since dominion. It had to hit the ground eventually.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:17:00 - [1423]
 

Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
PLEX wont dry up as people will still buy GTCs to convert and sell. Ive done 8 already since this came out.


As we can see by your ******ed monocle lol...be gone before you get jumped in here. We don't like your kind around here!!

Erichan
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:18:00 - [1424]
 

Buddy of mine just suggested the Plex for CCP stock campaign! Let the playerbase buy the company using plex. Think of the metagaming possibilities!


Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:18:00 - [1425]
 

Originally by: Lev Aeris
This game has been in a nose dive since dominion. It had to hit the ground eventually.
not even any sign of an emergency landing

Saris Jacinta
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:18:00 - [1426]
 

Originally by: Quetazoid
Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).


Well i have nothing against it if you can buy Faction stuff or any ingame Item with Aurum.. .its no different to pay it via plex/isk.
But you dont see where it leads. It would have no sence only implementing this way.
it leads to buy SP, it leads to buy undestructable Ships that are better than ingame ones and you cannot loose it..

This kind of Items will break eve.. and they think about to bring em in. If the first Item is in eve you cannot loose due a kill.. eve is dead as it is wow online then.

But i cannot believe they do it.. they talked over and over about how proud they are about the long therm Subscriptions. How proud they are about the Fakt that eve is different. So why they should change it.
I HOPE this all is a Bubble that breaks soon.

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:20:00 - [1427]
 

Originally by: Irascor Luclin
I can't help but feel like we all did when Napster was called out by Lars Ulrich.

I know that stealing music isn't right, they deserve money for their hard work, but after that I'm pretty sure Metallica fell off the face of the planet.

Where is EVE going?


I never realized that paying CCP $15 per account each month was stealing from them!

Terrestes
The Inevitable Corp
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:20:00 - [1428]
 

I posted on this thread.

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:20:00 - [1429]
 

Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer
Originally by: Quetazoid
Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).


^^ This.


Problem is, if it's a POS with special bonuses it will have a rather large price tag in the NeX (ffs a monocle is $70.) So you'll win the game because you're willing to pour $$$ in it, while others may not be.
I will hazard a guess that most people play video games to get away from that aspect of RL.

You should not be able to gain gameplay advantages (ie bonused POSes/ships/turrets/ammo) because you're rich IRL. It goes against eve's long touted sandbox aspect. It would take away the fun for the casual (or poor) player.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:24:00 - [1430]
 

Originally by: Saris Jacinta

Well i have nothing against it if you can buy Faction stuff or any ingame Item with Aurum.. .its no different to pay it via plex/isk.


Even buying regular ships with Aurum will break the Industry trade, as these ships aren't produced with blueprints and minerals, but spawn ex nihilo, as it were, from the 'Cash-for-SQL-query' item-making machinery that is Noble.

So, be afraid. Be very afraid.

A Lunchbox
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:24:00 - [1431]
 

You're doing it wrong.

Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:26:00 - [1432]
 

76000 view, 1425 replies.

Not a DAMN WORD from CCP. Theyve said theyre monitoring it.

Original PDF is fake? No need to debate the response CCP. Call it as a fake. Lock thread.

Original PDF is real? Massive need for huge OMGOMGWTFAREWEGOINGTODO conference to initiate damage control. Cant call it fake just in case someone produces incontrovertible proof. Threadnaught starts to morph into threadtitan. Outside media starts to post articles. Fire rains from skies, angry mob with pitchforks start buying up all the gasoline. Bad things.

to reiterate

Not a DAMN WORD from CCP

Oh dear.

Saris Jacinta
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:27:00 - [1433]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Saris Jacinta

Well i have nothing against it if you can buy Faction stuff or any ingame Item with Aurum.. .its no different to pay it via plex/isk.


Even buying regular ships with Aurum will break the Industry trade, as these ships aren't produced with blueprints and minerals, but spawn ex nihilo, as it were, from the 'Cash-for-SQL-query' item-making machinery that is Noble.

So, be afraid. Be very afraid.


Well yes ok.. i forgot the Economy..
But if it comes we did not have to talk about it anymore cause there isnt any then left :)
They could bring in new skills to build Clothes with Incarna
Tailors, Image Designers etc.. some social Stuff.. that would had the abbility to bring in a lot of new players.. but they seem to choose the way that leads into F2P and a Dead Game.. :)

i hatechosingnames
Gallente
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:28:00 - [1434]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
76000 view, 1425 replies.

Not a DAMN WORD from CCP. Theyve said theyre monitoring it.

Original PDF is fake? No need to debate the response CCP. Call it as a fake. Lock thread.

Original PDF is real? Massive need for huge OMGOMGWTFAREWEGOINGTODO conference to initiate damage control. Cant call it fake just in case someone produces incontrovertible proof. Threadnaught starts to morph into threadtitan. Outside media starts to post articles. Fire rains from skies, angry mob with pitchforks start buying up all the gasoline. Bad things.

to reiterate

Not a DAMN WORD from CCP

Oh dear.



they are happy to post other crap on their facebook page and twitter no doubt...

https://www.facebook.com/eveonline

Joao Duarte
Selflessness
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:29:00 - [1435]
 

Maybe it's time to start building a whole new sandbox:

http://www.perpetuum-online.com/

€9/$10 a month.

Shame that I prefer spaceships to mechs and perpetuum is still very rough around the edges, and there's nothing out there like EVE lore. But it beats real money-driven games any day.

CCP, please prove us wrong, there's still time. But once people start comiting to something else...

Karthwritte
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:29:00 - [1436]
 

So here a thought: Logically how can a MT that affects gameplay be on the same game thats considered a sandbox?
I mean, dosent it make it a roller-coaster experience? You pay for something inside a amusment park.
Or like: Hey! drive a supercapital ship! For 60$ (My driving licence cost less)

And the worst thing its the griefing. How can a a game wich they say its a sandbox and it allow griefing gonna let other "paying" costumers get your stuff when you payed like 20$ to it.
They really thought about it?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:29:00 - [1437]
 

Originally by: Saris Jacinta
Well i have nothing against it if you can buy Faction stuff or any ingame Item with Aurum.. .its no different to pay it via plex/isk.
Really? Wow… ugh

The difference is huge. Buying an item with Aurum bypasses EVE. That is the difference. It skips the miners, the researchers, the traders, the builders, the traders (again), the mission grinders, the traders (a third time) — it bypasses every last thing in the game. PLEX and ISK do not. They follow the rules of the game. They have balancing mechanics built into them that make them adhere to supply and demand; MT items do not — in fact, that's the whole point of MT.

Saris Jacinta
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:30:00 - [1438]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
76000 view, 1425 replies.

Not a DAMN WORD from CCP. Theyve said theyre monitoring it.

Original PDF is fake? No need to debate the response CCP. Call it as a fake. Lock thread.

Original PDF is real? Massive need for huge OMGOMGWTFAREWEGOINGTODO conference to initiate damage control. Cant call it fake just in case someone produces incontrovertible proof. Threadnaught starts to morph into threadtitan. Outside media starts to post articles. Fire rains from skies, angry mob with pitchforks start buying up all the gasoline. Bad things.

to reiterate

Not a DAMN WORD from CCP

Oh dear.



Haha maybe theyer shocked about the reaction but then theire stupid as it was clear to see that a very Big Part of the Community dont want things like that.. its been discussed very often since the last years.
Ir it is a Fake but i dont understand WHY they are wait to dement it... All curious about what statement we will see :)

okcerg
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:31:00 - [1439]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/06/2011 12:47:10

Originally by: Verone

I look at the parts of Eve that I enjoy, and those that have an effect on what I enjoy. The rest is for other people to be concerned over.


Here is the problem Verone.

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


Mozillaa Firefox
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:31:00 - [1440]
 

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