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Eliniale
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:40:00 - [1381]
 

last i heard they were working on a reply they'd run trough the csm first.

Landlady
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:40:00 - [1382]
 

Originally by: leth ghost
not far off hitting the 24 hour mark now and still no response, nice way to show you care about your player base !!!!!

a hang on they dont they make us try and think they do to milk us lol


That's because they are in meetings trying to figure out how to make a buck off of the outrage surrounding this leak :P


Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:41:00 - [1383]
 

Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
PLEX wont dry up as people will still buy GTCs to convert and sell. Ive done 8 already since this came out.


Me too. I can't wait for the Top Hat and the cane. I really want a cane. It should come with a "Whack the poor plebians around the head" emote, which can only be used on people without money.

Katahe
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:41:00 - [1384]
 

Si CCP se met à vendre des items qui ont une influence en jeux, je change de jeux. Je l’ai déjà fait par le passé et m’en porte pas plus mal.

rosinERsundt
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:42:00 - [1385]
 

is it hard to post fake or true ccp?

Tbh i always found it funny the way CCP was run, and espcially the members of their dev teams is kinda noob and sad. But this surely breaks the scale of stupidity in business hehe

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:43:00 - [1386]
 

Originally by: Landlady
Originally by: leth ghost
not far off hitting the 24 hour mark now and still no response, nice way to show you care about your player base !!!!!

a hang on they dont they make us try and think they do to milk us lol


That's because they are in meetings trying to figure out how to make a buck off of the outrage surrounding this leak :P



increase the "you are going too fast" delay to 90 minutes, pay 800 AUR to reset the timer.

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:43:00 - [1387]
 

Originally by: Katahe
Si CCP se met à vendre des items qui ont une influence en jeux, je change de jeux. Je l’ai déjà fait par le passé et m’en porte pas plus mal.


If CCP began to sell items that have an impact in games, I change games. I have done in the past and am none the worse.

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:43:00 - [1388]
 

Originally by: leth ghost
Edited by: leth ghost on 23/06/2011 14:39:59
not far off hitting the 24 hour mark now and still no response, nice way to show you care about your player base !!!!!

o hang on they dont, they make us try and think they do, to milk us lol


One thing I've always been amazed about with respect to the attitudes of MMO publishers. They completely lack any sense of urgency.

They never see the urgency in the need to fix something that is horribly broken.

They never see the urgency in the need to respond quickly to the whole customer base giving them a collective F-U!!!!!!!! to a terrible decision.

They seem to think they have all the time in the world or that if they hide it will all go away. In this sense they are really no more mature than the average 4 year old.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:44:00 - [1389]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
This is actually a buff to all old players who have tons of ISK laying around after years and years of accumulating wealth since now theres new stuff to waste it on so I celebrate it and await my tophat.


Yes for a while, UNTIL PLEX dry up. then their ISK BUYS NOTHING.



I see you changed your mind then Wink

The way to imagine the stockpiled PLEX is as a huge loan that can be called in at any time - ie CCP has to provide gametime on PLEX that potentially were bought years ago and the revenue has been spent.

Statistically its very unlikely that would happen in a short enough timescale to trouble CCP but remember that there are only 3 ways to remove a PLEX from game :

1) Redeem it for gametime;
2) Redeem it for Aurum;
3) Get it blown up/biomassed.

Got it now? Lots of older players hold what is effectively a loan on CCP - certainly a debit entry on the books if you see what I mean?

CCP wants to remove some of that potential liability. Hence making PLEX destroyable and now Aurum.

Whether this is to attract further investors is open to speculation.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:45:00 - [1390]
 

Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
PLEX wont dry up as people will still buy GTCs to convert and sell. Ive done 8 already since this came out.


R U FCKIN SERIOUS? WOW AREN'T YOU THE GREATEST LITTLE **** LOYAL LAPDOG EVAR!!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS WHY CCP IS ABLE TO **** THIS GAME UP


HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:45:00 - [1391]
 

Originally by: Levaria
Im gonna need a ****ing umbrella, CCP keeps ****ing all over the player base. Today's forecast, partly to mostly ****ty with a chance of Microtransactions....


roflLaughing

Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:46:00 - [1392]
 

Edited by: Zephy Russ on 23/06/2011 14:46:49
Now be reasonable. All of you are being like this because you are mere peasants with not enough money to buy a monocle, which, by the way, I am currently choosing not to wear because I am so rich I can afford not to. I'm currently keeping it in my cargo bay, because I can. I also have the dress uniform, even though I can't wear it.

Mika Foxxs
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:46:00 - [1393]
 

After lurking on all these posts since Incarna came out I think I figured out CCP's logic, if true it will make me very . . . upset.

CCP may not be able to charge Dustbunnies subscription charges due to legal agreements with the PSN. If they are expecting comparable size in player base then the cost of maintaining the servers for them is too high to be free.

So to pay for the Dust 514 subscription fee we are given the NEX store so the dust players don't have to pay themselves.

I know this sounds conspiracy theroyish but I already have my tin foil hat on and am praying it not to be true.Sad

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:46:00 - [1394]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
They never see the urgency in the need to respond quickly to the whole customer base giving them a collective F-U!!!!!!!! to a terrible decision.

Um, no. Don't you get it? CCP's silence is their collective F-U!!!!!!!! to us.

Iloni Atoriandra
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:47:00 - [1395]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
PLEX wont dry up as people will still buy GTCs to convert and sell. Ive done 8 already since this came out.


R U FCKIN SERIOUS? WOW AREN'T YOU THE GREATEST LITTLE **** LOYAL LAPDOG EVAR!!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS WHY CCP IS ABLE TO **** THIS GAME UP




You sound like a bitter little poor scrub. Please go outside and down the road as your prescence is devaluing the local property market.

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:47:00 - [1396]
 

Originally by: Zephy Russ
Now be reasonable. All of you are being like this because you are mere peasants with not enough money to buy a monocle, which, by the way, I am currently choosing not to wear because I am so rich I can afford not to.


another rich **** kid **** face

SM100
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:48:00 - [1397]
 

Yes!!!! Let will enter at least a part!!!!
And then EVE will roll down to level of browser ****-game and I will forget about it.

EVE, don't hold me...

Joao Duarte
Selflessness
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:51:00 - [1398]
 

Originally by: Zephy Russ
Edited by: Zephy Russ on 23/06/2011 14:46:49
Now be reasonable. All of you are being like this because you are mere peasants with not enough money to buy a monocle, which, by the way, I am currently choosing not to wear because I am so rich I can afford not to. I'm currently keeping it in my cargo bay, because I can. I also have the dress uniform, even though I can't wear it.



For discussion about value of vanity items, find the apropriate thread.

Illadelph Justice
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:51:00 - [1399]
 

Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Zephy Russ
Now be reasonable. All of you are being like this because you are mere peasants with not enough money to buy a monocle, which, by the way, I am currently choosing not to wear because I am so rich I can afford not to.


another rich **** kid **** face


Lol trolled

Zephy Russ
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:51:00 - [1400]
 

Edited by: Zephy Russ on 23/06/2011 14:52:57
Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra

You sound like a bitter little poor scrub. Please go outside and down the road as your prescence is devaluing the local property market.


I absolutely agree. What is with these peasants? It's almost as if they think they are equal to us. What a ludicrous concept.

Quote:
For discussion about value of vanity items, find the apropriate thread.

Your lack of money is offensive. Please avert your eyes.

Goatse Girl
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:52:00 - [1401]
 

Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
PLEX wont dry up as people will still buy GTCs to convert and sell. Ive done 8 already since this came out.


R U FCKIN SERIOUS? WOW AREN'T YOU THE GREATEST LITTLE **** LOYAL LAPDOG EVAR!!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS WHY CCP IS ABLE TO **** THIS GAME UP




You sound like a bitter little poor scrub. Please go outside and down the road as your prescence is devaluing the local property market.


lol, look at all these peasants moaning, CCP should say "let them eat cake"

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:52:00 - [1402]
 

Originally by: Mika Foxxs
After lurking on all these posts since Incarna came out I think I figured out CCP's logic, if true it will make me very . . . upset.

CCP may not be able to charge Dustbunnies subscription charges due to legal agreements with the PSN. If they are expecting comparable size in player base then the cost of maintaining the servers for them is too high to be free.

So to pay for the Dust 514 subscription fee we are given the NEX store so the dust players don't have to pay themselves.

I know this sounds conspiracy theroyish but I already have my tin foil hat on and am praying it not to be true.Sad


not thats something that had to be discussed between psn and ccp and all cost should have been covered partly by psn anyway and the main reason dust is even possible is because psn likes to do new and crazy stuff with games and dust being tied to an mmorpg i think the cost is on psn and now the but i want their for the meetings but i can only assume thats what happened

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:54:00 - [1403]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Republica Winder
They never see the urgency in the need to respond quickly to the whole customer base giving them a collective F-U!!!!!!!! to a terrible decision.

Um, no. Don't you get it? CCP's silence is their collective F-U!!!!!!!! to us.


And my canceled accounts (this one was only still active by accident) is my F-U right back to them. Hell, they are lucky I didn't call my bank and file a chargeback. Easy to do, especially when dealing with a charge from a foreign company.

VaMei
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:55:00 - [1404]
 

Originally by: Othran
Got it now? Lots of older players hold what is effectively a loan on CCP - certainly a debit entry on the books if you see what I mean?

CCP wants to remove some of that potential liability. Hence making PLEX destroyable and now Aurum.


I'd go a step farther than to say Aurum is a way to burn plex, and say that Aurum is a way to legally divorce Plex from any real world value.

I'm not suggesting that there are any plans, but if CCP planned to close EvE, players who own Plex could potentially be a legal roadblock since they own something that entitles them to service. Now that Plex can translate to virtual goods rather than service, that end of life concern is closed.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:57:00 - [1405]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Republica Winder
They never see the urgency in the need to respond quickly to the whole customer base giving them a collective F-U!!!!!!!! to a terrible decision.

Um, no. Don't you get it? CCP's silence is their collective F-U!!!!!!!! to us.

And my canceled accounts (this one was only still active by accident) is my F-U right back to them. Hell, they are lucky I didn't call my bank and file a chargeback. Easy to do, especially when dealing with a charge from a foreign company.


More power to ya, mate! I'm very close to it myself. Only thing holding me back so far is that I'm still holding out for an official CCP response (yes, I know, deluded).

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:59:00 - [1406]
 

Edited by: Othran on 23/06/2011 15:03:21
Edited by: Othran on 23/06/2011 15:02:36
Originally by: VaMei


I'd go a step farther than to say Aurum is a way to burn plex, and say that Aurum is a way to legally divorce Plex from any real world value.

I'm not suggesting that there are any plans, but if CCP planned to close EvE, players who own Plex could potentially be a legal roadblock since they own something that entitles them to service. Now that Plex can translate to virtual goods rather than service, that end of life concern is closed.



PLEX was made a fully in-game item last year VaMei. There is no financial liability associated with PLEX other than that of players continuing to use stockpiled PLEX in place of RL money to pay for subs.

Edit - to make it simple the worst case scenario for CCP is that stockpiled PLEX are used for game subscriptions. That has a recurring cost. Vanity or whatever items have a one-time cost of development (in theory) so it makes the "PLEX debt" disappear if people spend on that.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:01:00 - [1407]
 

Originally by: Goatse Girl
Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
PLEX wont dry up as people will still buy GTCs to convert and sell. Ive done 8 already since this came out.


R U FCKIN SERIOUS? WOW AREN'T YOU THE GREATEST LITTLE **** LOYAL LAPDOG EVAR!!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS WHY CCP IS ABLE TO **** THIS GAME UP




You sound like a bitter little poor scrub. Please go outside and down the road as your prescence is devaluing the local property market.


lol, look at all these peasants moaning, CCP should say "let them eat cake"


you both are so ****ing stupid and the troll thing is so tired... i can afford a digital "**** you" t-shirt and whatever bull**** they have but it isnt even important to the game... im never going to see your gay ass monocle (who weres those anyway) and once they do open up the rest of the station and we get to shake hands ill still not care what the hell your wearing... but all this just leads to other things to buy like a drug that makes you fly in human form in the station and then weapons ships and **** and then sectors of space will be for sell and then you can buy your own expansion with your name on it that all US poor ppl have to install and in this patch your given a concord ship and can blow up whoever you want... yeah im mad cuz im poor NOT im mad cuz you are ******

Aarri Vishnorzen
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:03:00 - [1408]
 

Edited by: Aarri Vishnorzen on 23/06/2011 15:06:23
I hear that only the very rich can buy beer that comes in gold plated and diamond encrusted cans.

"damn that beer was delicious! the gold plating and diamonds really enhances the flavor."

I'm gonna have to give myself a 3 out of 10 on this, kinda sux.

Joao Duarte
Selflessness
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:03:00 - [1409]
 

Originally by: Zephy Russ
Edited by: Zephy Russ on 23/06/2011 14:52:57

Quote:
For discussion about value of vanity items, find the apropriate thread.

Your lack of money is offensive. Please avert your eyes.



Comforting to see that money != brains.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:04:00 - [1410]
 

Originally by: Goatse Girl
lol, look at all these peasants moaning, CCP should say "let them eat cake"

Execpt... the cake is a lie!


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