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Leijanna
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:38:00 - [1051]
 

Wow...

Sub runs out in a few days. Good timing.
EVE is awesome in many ways, but things like this really ruins my confidence in ccp

Mikal Morataya
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:40:00 - [1052]
 

Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 23/06/2011 10:46:11
Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 23/06/2011 10:44:03
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization, some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."

"Incarna cannot be considered a product distinct from other parts of EVE. Incarna and flying in space are merely aspects of EVE...in virtual sales we must all adopt this way of thinking. Thus we will not and cannot focus on virtual sales only within the Incarna evironment, nor build that evironment around such sales, rather we will effect a universal strategy of micro-sales throughout the EVe experience."


If the above becomes true then CCP will have lost themselves two accounts.


I've only been in the game 10 months and while I expect older players to have an advantage, first in skills if nothing else. Once this happens I will also consider leaving.

New ships, items and ammo purely for Aurum/microtransactions? No thanks. I was thinking of playing dust on my PS3 too. I might think again.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:41:00 - [1053]
 



If CCP wanted press coverage, they got it.


Saving Face
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:42:00 - [1054]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Thing is, I like Incarna, even if it runs slower than Crysis lol but this MT crap... makes me puke.



I like Incarna, CQ runs reasonably well on my computer, I even enjoy playing with dress-up dolls and all that, but it seems they're somehow, along the way, removing the game that I'm actually here to play.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:43:00 - [1055]
 

I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:45:00 - [1056]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



If I wanted to play Entropia, I would have downloaded that client, I almost did, until a friend told me you cannot do anything in Entropia without paying for stuff. Then I immediately cancelled the client download and went back to Eve, seems I am getting the same Entropia, just a different client.


Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:45:00 - [1057]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



I expect CCP to treat the customers with respect and dignity. And to take into account that we are already paying them for a game.

If you get too greedy, you tend to get burned eventually.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:46:00 - [1058]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 23/06/2011 10:46:34
Someone asked when did they stop caring? My guess when it became more profitable to stop caring.

I will my toss "hat" in to the ring as yet another player whom will un-sub if CCP offers anything more than Vanity items for RMT.

Something else that no one has mentioned in all the hurf burf with the new store and it's prices, ect. It wasn't so long ago that CCP put many of us on the back burner with their famous "18 months" quote.

They claimed to not have enough developers to spread around. Meanwhile there are tons of broken & ignored things with-in EVE yet CCP has developers to make new shiny vanity items yet none to fix long lasting bugs & broken mechanics.

Hey CCP how many AUR to fix the broken problems in FW or hey how about Blasters?

The Post Man
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:46:00 - [1059]
 

It's rather telling that this thread is 36 pages in and there's still no dev response. Guess they must all be in a team meeting going

dev 1 'OMGWTFDOWEDONOW!?!?!'
dev 2 'Calm down, Eve players are dumb, they'll have forgotten about all this tomorrow'
Hilmar 'Mmmmmmm..... Money! GIMME MONEY!'

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:46:00 - [1060]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



So you think it's perfectly cool to lie to your customers?

Thomas Kugisa
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:47:00 - [1061]
 

Originally by: Tetronomis
ahahahaha this "fearless" newsletter is absolutely delightful. Working in a 5000+ collaborators company I laugh at this kind of boasty, full of horse**** internal communications every other month, but it's even more hilarious when a workshop like ccp try to look Google pretending to be bigger than they actually are. My HR doesn't put that much :effort: I'll send them a copy of your fearless. No lies, I really enjoyed yours. Not only the content of this letter is laughable for reasons you don't seem to comprehend (which is hilarious too), but the format makes it even more entertaining. Like the small hexagonal portraits of some "employees of the month": it's awesome. I can picture the employee shaping the pictures. That's my candy right there. The first paragraph of Peri Desai in the edito is typical. I mean if I were a "CCPer" I'd fantasize to smash her face with a shovel while whistling the 9th symphony, but from my perspective it's just pure gold. Oh CCP you bring the word failure to a whole new level.

Well well with the great north war over the forum-sex was getting low and I feared I'd have to find some other source of fun for my morning coffee. But HEY! CCP you never fail to deliver I'll give you that!

now I'd appreciate if someone release the older "fearless" newsletters... please


want to upvote this post so badly

Dr Diggabone
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:47:00 - [1062]
 

If any of this turns out to be true, me and my friends are deffinately done with Eve. I love this game but you can't make those sorts of changes to the entity that is Eve and get away with it. Certainly not for long until the cracks start to appear.

That and i'm sure everyone i know will make the jump to a certain upcoming MMO.

Angst IronShard
Minmatar
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:47:00 - [1063]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



and they are naive to think I'll continue to pay to play with such RMT craps.

Rico Minali
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:48:00 - [1064]
 

Eve is steadily becoming 'Gy with the fattest RL wallet wins' with plex etc, if microtransaction goods are going to give fighting advantages, then yeah, I will quit.

Wonder if anyone on ebay wants to buy a paperclip...

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:48:00 - [1065]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

You don't seem to understand:(IF THIS IS LEGIT) CCP Soundwave is THE EVE LEAD GAME DESIGNER appointed and appraised at fanfest by Hilmar. This is not a slip, this is where EVE will go, end of story.


With Soundwave can be dealt at the next fanfest, no problem to stop this from becoming the real future of eve. It is not like our lives are on stake about this issue.

Saving Face
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:48:00 - [1066]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?



There is nothing wrong with maximizing profits, but you don't usually do it by telling your existing customers that they'll have to pay more to fund other products that are more important to you than those your customers pay you for.

Arela Xen
Gallente
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:48:00 - [1067]
 

I will instantly quit this game if there is any bonus for $ available, which makes the guy with the money stronger in pvp than the guy without. If that is the way this game evolves, it is over for me. Even if it is hard to leave after nearly 4 years of playing and loving, especially leaving my new cute avatar.

Anna Horibila
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:49:00 - [1068]
 

Originally by: Dr Diggabone
That and i'm sure everyone i know will make the jump to a certain upcoming MMO.


Yup, after seeing what Incarna had to offer I went down to Game yesterday and pre-ordered a certain upcoming MMO.


Oh BTW I can't read the download. 'Acrobat is unable to decrypt file' or some bull**** Sad but I'm sure it's terrible, shocking and sickening. Just about everything about CCP recently is.

Nikki West
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:49:00 - [1069]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



EVE is already a cash cow - A BIG ONE. Not only does it have a subscription based model with decent player base. It ALSO has a built-in RMT model where players can buy extra game time via GTC/PLEX and sell it for ISK, which adds a lot of extra revenue for P.

So yea, we have a right to be angry when they introduce yet another layer of income. I can't think of any other game that wants to milk this much money from player-base.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:51:00 - [1070]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
Someone asked when did they stop caring? My guess when it became more profitable to stop caring.

I will toss "hat" in to the ring as yet another player whom will unsub if CCP offers anything more than Vanity items for RMT.

Something else that no one has mentioned in all the hurf burf with the new store and it's prices, ect. It wasn't so long ago that CCP put many of us on the back burner with their famous "18 months" quote.

They claimed to not have enough developers to spread around. Meanwhile there are tons of broken & ignored things with-in EVE yet CCP has developers to make new shiny vanity items yet none to fix long lasting bugs & broken mechanics.

Hey CCP how many AUR to fix the broken problems in FW or hey how about Blasters?



Eve is seen as a payroll for WoD and Dust.

That is their view of Eve. The money source for "other projects", which is true because Warewolves and vampires has a LARGE MASS APPEAL than Scifi. Furries are bigger customers then space pirates just as mages and dwarfs are bigger customers than space pirates.

From a "wreckless gung ho" business perspective, I can see CCP's view and Icelanders are wreckless with money, that is the culture. It is one big party for them. Fine. I kind of had that life in Scandinavia too for a decade :) I can see that view.

But as a customer who just wants to have fun, I am kind of sickened because if it goes through, Eve will be too expensive, sure it is optional, and I will not buy those "items" but other people will, and that will ruin the fun somewhat knowing that somebody somewhere paid for an advantage that I trained and skilled for and learned, it makes my previous game time a joke and really if I had known I could have waited and then paid a little more to get to where I am now, I could have SAVED A BUCKET LOAD OF MONEY.

Plus as developer I was starting to build on their API. That has now stopped.


Joseph Vacher
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:51:00 - [1071]
 

Originally by: Saving Face
I like Incarna, CQ runs reasonably well on my computer, I even enjoy playing with dress-up dolls and all that, but it seems they're somehow, along the way, removing the game that I'm actually here to play.


Spot on.

Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:51:00 - [1072]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

I expect CCP to treat the customers with respect and dignity. And to take into account that we are already paying them for a game.

If you get too greedy, you tend to get burned eventually.

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:52:00 - [1073]
 

Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?



There is nothing wrong with maximizing profits, but you don't usually do it by telling your existing customers that they'll have to pay more to fund other products that are more important to you than those your customers pay you for.



To be fair, they were deliberately with holding that information.

Jackuu Bauwaah
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:53:00 - [1074]
 

Originally by: Rico Minali
Eve is steadily becoming 'Gy with the fattest RL wallet wins' with plex etc, if microtransaction goods are going to give fighting advantages, then yeah, I will quit.

Wonder if anyone on ebay wants to buy a paperclip...


I dont think youre the only one thinking about selling paper clips :) Several players I know have started liquidating hard. Ive spend alot isk on cheap stuff from desperat sellers just the few last days :)

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:54:00 - [1075]
 

Originally by: Nikki West
Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



EVE is already a cash cow - A BIG ONE. Not only does it have a subscription based model with decent player base. It ALSO has a built-in RMT model where players can buy extra game time via GTC/PLEX and sell it for ISK, which adds a lot of extra revenue for P.

So yea, we have a right to be angry when they introduce yet another layer of income. I can't think of any other game that wants to milk this much money from player-base.


What utter nonsense. You honestly didn't expect game developers to be looking at options like this? Every single MMO developer is having exactly the same conversations that CCP are. And some of them are changing already - look at what happened with LOTRO's F2P.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:54:00 - [1076]
 



How is the PLEX market atm?


Miep Miep
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:56:00 - [1077]
 

I had already 1 account unsubed after dominion, after tyrannis the next and here goes the last. May resubscribe after a while (if spaceship content) and remain skilling as long as it runs but iam done for a while at least. microtranse my ass ccp

Nikki West
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:56:00 - [1078]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Nikki West
Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



EVE is already a cash cow - A BIG ONE. Not only does it have a subscription based model with decent player base. It ALSO has a built-in RMT model where players can buy extra game time via GTC/PLEX and sell it for ISK, which adds a lot of extra revenue for P.

So yea, we have a right to be angry when they introduce yet another layer of income. I can't think of any other game that wants to milk this much money from player-base.


What utter nonsense. You honestly didn't expect game developers to be looking at options like this? Every single MMO developer is having exactly the same conversations that CCP are. And some of them are changing already - look at what happened with LOTRO's F2P.



What did happen to LOTRO? They completely removed subscription fees and switched to a different model. They didn't add MTs on top of subscriptions because that would be insane - which is what P is doing.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:58:00 - [1079]
 

Please look at this, and then look at this.

Sums up the situation nicely, I think.

Put the pitchforks down, undock, and kill things.


Morar Santee
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:58:00 - [1080]
 

Well.. not sure how angry I can get about this.

I got angry when they announced PLEX for remap. Community told them where they could stuff this idea and MTs in general, and CCP Shadow's reply was: "No plans for MTs in EVE!". (I'd provide the link, but eve-search is no longer functional. Go figure?)

A few months later: "We listened to the community's concerns and introduce MTs for vanity items only!!" I got angry again and wanted to quit then.. but decided I'd keep playing for as long as it's fun to me. Not so much because of EVE as a game, but because of the people I played it with.

Now this. Of course everyone with brains for 2 cents smelled this **** miles against the wind. So why get angry?
Possibly because this game had so much potential and provided me with a lot of fun and good times over the years. But I'm playing this game to immerse myself with the EVE universe, and to compete with other players from all over the world. I don't play it to compete with a cash shop, or to spend additional money past my monthly subscription fee.


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