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Chiggy W
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:02:00 - [631]
 

I'm also extremely impressed by the subtle hint CCP has given when disabling CQ. There's the door if you don't like it.

I hope many of us use it.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:02:00 - [632]
 

Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.

Tarikan
Minmatar
Hardcore p0wnography
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:03:00 - [633]
 

if this is true, then i will be thinking hard on leaving eve-o.

i have liked...a bit of Incarna, the turrets. i know, nothing huge, but the turrets dazzle me, as for the CQ and the MT? i'm not a big fan of it...

i await to see how big this thread gets to be tomorrow and if the Devs and GMs create a devblog or respond to this thread to confirm what we are all thinking.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:04:00 - [634]
 

Yep, i missed a few faces on fanfest. But just look at the document, the "worst employee scores" are all about "not payed enough", "no training"...

thats like killig of your young employees.

Wizard Yoko
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:04:00 - [635]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.


If you're not careful you might provide more content than was included in Incarna. Don't want to make CCP look bad.

Verrer
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:04:00 - [636]
 

as for those 2b sweepstakes=P im guessing post #1104

im hoping its the next one though.. and im hoping they will say its all a joke:(

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:04:00 - [637]
 

Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Erichan
someone mentioned earlier that chribba had posted.. does anyone have a link to that?


I don't see a post on eve-search, so this was probably not true. Chribba is never one to make such posts quickly or lightly.


True. But he was very strong in objecting to the "hey let's profit off our dedicated players who have done stuff our inbred Devs couldn't to make our game better" scheme.

I believe he will respond to this too.

What I'd love to see Chribba do is announce he is terminating his websites and support for EVE until the cash shop is undone and CCP ENDS RMT in EVE. CCP could not survive the bad PR of a ****ed off Chribba.

Erichan
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:04:00 - [638]
 

the irony of course is that who would want the isk if we're leaving also lol.

RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:05:00 - [639]
 

If this is true, you're lame CCP, very lame.

I too will be quitting after a year and a few months of playing if this is true.

Sciencegeek deathdealer
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:05:00 - [640]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.


Very nice.

Thomas Turnpoint
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:06:00 - [641]
 

The fact that they are willing to consider allowing users to purchase faction standings says a lot about the individuals running the company.
They are willing to allow people to pay them for an advantage.
That mindset does not generally going hand in hand with honesty and integrity, that's for sure.

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:06:00 - [642]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
I think the staff changes that might happen as a result of this will be telling regarding the direction CCP plans to take with this MT junk. If Soundwave is still in the higher echelons, then we know where they're heading.


I would be surprised if anyone gets fired. This is part of CCP's core goal right now, you would have to remove all of management and reorganize the company completely to purge this.


If they stick to this no one will get fired. What will happen though is everyone who is against this (and I will repeat, this internal newsletter seems to me to be INTERNAL damage control, an attempt to sell THEIR STAFF on these changes) will LEAVE CCP and seek other jobs.

In other words, CCP is about to lose the bulk of their talent (as SOE did after the NGE). The Devs left will be the ones who thinks the endgame is looting customer wallets, not 0.0 gameplay...



People these days still have integrity? I would be amazed at seeing people leaving CCP and the speaking in the public about this, but who knows, they might even force them to sign legalese documents forbidding them to speak about internal CCP's working policies and anything related to Incarna Sad

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:06:00 - [643]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Erichan
someone mentioned earlier that chribba had posted.. does anyone have a link to that?


I don't see a post on eve-search, so this was probably not true. Chribba is never one to make such posts quickly or lightly.


True. But he was very strong in objecting to the "hey let's profit off our dedicated players who have done stuff our inbred Devs couldn't to make our game better" scheme.

I believe he will respond to this too.

What I'd love to see Chribba do is announce he is terminating his websites and support for EVE until the cash shop is undone and CCP ENDS RMT in EVE. CCP could not survive the bad PR of a ****ed off Chribba.



Boy are you wrong (thats sad, really). But in business terms, EVERYONE is replacable. Yes, even Chribba. If CCP decides to not care, they won't.

Cosmoes
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:06:00 - [644]
 

First CCP post guess #937

and oh I can't wait for Skyrim to come out now.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:07:00 - [645]
 

Edited by: BeanBagKing on 23/06/2011 02:08:16
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.


I'm going to go with 932

Edit: what happens if CCP locks it without a post?

Everseeker
Caldari
Northgate
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:07:00 - [646]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.

Well heck... why not, just a guess...
1273

Axemaster
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:08:00 - [647]
 

Originally by: Cosmoes
First CCP post guess #937

and oh I can't wait for Skyrim to come out now.


Amen to that. #1234

Elliott Calvadeux
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:08:00 - [648]
 

Holy crap CCP, I'm speechless.
Also way to turn me off WoD before its even released.

Tea Ester I'll take post #888, should be #666 but I doubt they'll have something to say by then.

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:08:00 - [649]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.


You should ask people to take bets on CCP's type of response, not the post number.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:09:00 - [650]
 

First CCP post will be N/A. They won't post in this thread. Their first open statement will be a dev blog or a sticky.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:10:00 - [651]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.


Plex or monocle? haha

i doubt CCP will answer this, maybe #1000 will lock it down (should be reached till they weak up).

Cosmoes
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:10:00 - [652]
 

Originally by: Tla Atij
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.


You should ask people to take bets on CCP's type of response, not the post number.


I'll take that bet 200 mil says their first post is moderation, tidying up, stay on topic post AKA general cleaning but no actual response

Erichan
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:11:00 - [653]
 

can I have 2b if they never respond?

Miss Yanumano
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:11:00 - [654]
 

Veeery glad now I decided against reactivating my second account and not to use my credit card for my primary instead of PLEX'es.

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:11:00 - [655]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Erichan
someone mentioned earlier that chribba had posted.. does anyone have a link to that?


I don't see a post on eve-search, so this was probably not true. Chribba is never one to make such posts quickly or lightly.


True. But he was very strong in objecting to the "hey let's profit off our dedicated players who have done stuff our inbred Devs couldn't to make our game better" scheme.

I believe he will respond to this too.

What I'd love to see Chribba do is announce he is terminating his websites and support for EVE until the cash shop is undone and CCP ENDS RMT in EVE. CCP could not survive the bad PR of a ****ed off Chribba.



Boy are you wrong (thats sad, really). But in business terms, EVERYONE is replacable. Yes, even Chribba. If CCP decides to not care, they won't.


I don't think they can.

EVE is a game of scams. Of distrust. Of backstabbing. The one counter force to all that has always been Chribba. He's the indispensable man because he's been the ONLY RELIABLY TRUSTWORTHY PERSON in this game.

You know anyone else who would be able to hold a station in 0.0 on reputation alone?

If he left EVE it would be like dropping a nuke on the economy with respect to really really valuable things.


Thomas Turnpoint
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:12:00 - [656]
 

Don't know what post # it will be, but I bet it's the *last* post. They'll toss up an "official" post regarding the issues, and then, as previously, close every other related thread with a "please continue this discussion in [thread link]".

numbers-wise, I'll guess #1013.

Cyber Duck
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:12:00 - [657]
 

CCP 1st Post No. 1549 :p

Also... most of that document is based around the (false) assumption that ccp have made saying they sell "Experiences and Identity"... they do NOT sell us identity... they sell us Experiences... and unfortunately for them... they'll struggle to EVER monetise the experiences we have with our corp mates... Gaming guilds are more than prepared to switch games and cancel subs and one would hope that a major alliance drops sov in game over this, to completely submit to the metagame this has become.


Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:15:00 - [658]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Erichan
someone mentioned earlier that chribba had posted.. does anyone have a link to that?


I don't see a post on eve-search, so this was probably not true. Chribba is never one to make such posts quickly or lightly.


True. But he was very strong in objecting to the "hey let's profit off our dedicated players who have done stuff our inbred Devs couldn't to make our game better" scheme.

I believe he will respond to this too.

What I'd love to see Chribba do is announce he is terminating his websites and support for EVE until the cash shop is undone and CCP ENDS RMT in EVE. CCP could not survive the bad PR of a ****ed off Chribba.



Boy are you wrong (thats sad, really). But in business terms, EVERYONE is replacable. Yes, even Chribba. If CCP decides to not care, they won't.


Hah! Chribba? Replaceable? He's done more for the Playability of eve than ccp ever did

Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr
Iure Divino
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:16:00 - [659]
 

CCP first post...how about 1254?

Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:16:00 - [660]
 

I understand the whole "greed" factor in a way, but there has to be other options, I'm OK with the expensive vanity items, even though I have WoW, TF2, and NFS:World in particular...But paying real money for extra firepower, etc. just breaks a game, if the effects were limited to PvE that wouldn't be as disgusting, maybe annoying because some noob can clear an extravaganza or something faster than me, but at least tolerable compared to losing what should be a fair PvP fight.

To make a RL connection, it feels kind of like those stupid store cards, where you get discounts for handing over personal information. The "preferred customer" treatment is a bad business model and should be avoided at all costs. A loyal customer base generally yields more profits than a small customer base that is willing to shell out cash constantly just to bypass all the real work the loyal customers put into the game. Just look at NFS: World, does anybody even play that? I gave it a whirl when it first came out, but the ability to buy the best cars drove everyone away, and those that fell for the marketing scheme are few and far between left to wallow in their own false elitism.

And while I like the idea of DUST, it's going to be a very careful balancing act, it might not be so bad if the cover charge is full retail game price, but maybe a yearly renewal fee or something would work better than relying on players constantly pay for boosts to provide profits. Again I can understand the pay for unique vanity items, and maybe vanity weapons, but the weapons would have to be VERY well balanced, looking at the TF2 model would be a good idea, sure the unlockable weapons are cool, but the uneven stats make them on par or only a sliver better than the base weapons. I could go on forever on the DUST topic, but I'll cut it off here and shift back to the core element.

As for Incarna, many players have been waiting for "walking in stations" for a LONG time. I personally like Incarna, being able to chillax off my ship, and the new guns and stuff is nice too, and I understand that Incarna is a long evolving road with many updates to be made. But it's another very careful balancing act, CCP mustn't loose sight of what brought the game to where it is today; the community. Greed corrupts and absolute greed corrupts absolutely, no human being is perfect and able to resist the power and greed potential of a market like this, but breaking from community opinions doesn't help CCP's case, I can accept the slander against the customer and how we're stupid (I get a lot worse directly spoken to me working for Boeing), but it's the concept that is so repulsive. EVE was built on the community by the community for the community. To make amends, and redeem our trust in CCP, and to strengthen the bond between the community and CCP, some sacrifices on both ends have to be made. Maybe getting rid of the hanger view was a bad idea (I can live without it, but will miss it deeply), maybe some people's computers can't handle the CQ graphics, maybe the NeX is overpriced. Some simple happy medians could be made;

- Make a "Un-Board Ship" and "Board Ship" option. This would quell the people that want ship spinning and don't have computers that can handle CQ content.

- Balance NeX item prices, the need for being unique and different is important to people, NeX items should perhaps become free in time, but for those who can't wait, can pay to get the items early, but don't rob us.

- DUST should cost full retail console game price. This would up profits, and perhaps justify free updates. An occasional but not non-subscription might be an answer to profit margin, a yearly token of X dollars could keep ROI nice and level.

- Standing/Rep, Damage/Tank, etc. boosts for money is not acceptable in a PvP environment. And extreme limitations on the theory applied to PvE might be an acceptable alternative.

- Up the subscription cost by $1-$2, if your profits are hurting so much, just do it.


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