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Dimitri Fukoyama
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 22/06/2011 11:45:37
Even if you dont plan on buying one

Because it has the same effect tourists have on local economies.

If there are enough tourists around to buy your loaf of bread for 3$, soon enough you dont want to sell it to the locals for the 0.50$ you used to sell it for.

If youd have a heart, and didnt strictly care only about money, youd still be selling that bread at 0.50 to the locals. Because you were still making a living back when you were selling at 1/6th of price.

Soon enough, the greedy bread vendor gets into this tunnel vision of what he can buy with his 3$ loafs of breads and you get...

The 60$ monocles

English is not my first language, Mr Kidd put what i wanted to illustrate (the downward spiral) in clearer terms a couple of posts below:

Originally by: Mr Kidd

I agree that logically if you can't afford it you won't purchase it. But, what is truly wrong with MT in its current state is that CCP is now diverting significant developmental resources to serve a few high end customers by creating content that is largely inaccessible to many subscription paying customers while real features and fixes languish in a persistent 18 month or longer development cycle.

CCP could have easily made MT a success by including both expensive and inexpensive items. Granted, not everyone would still participate in MT no matter the circumstance. But at that point CCP could have separated the steadfast principled players from the rest of the playerbase. As it stands now, CCP has separated the few wealthy players from the rest of the playerbase giving everyone else a big FU.

If MT in its current state meets CCP's expectations then you can expect that more development resources will be thrown towards aspects that cater to the few willing to supply the cash.

Everyone needs to stop thinking about this purely from an affordability perspective and see the larger implications. It doesn't bode well for the future of the game.

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:29:00 - [2]
 

I personally think of it as, what, the 1.5 bil isk monocles.

For a useless glory item, not bad. Like owning a faction ship that can never be flown without risking immediate gankage ... only now, you can wear it whenever you like.

It's not required.

It provides no benefits at all to our ships.

It's indestructable.

And it absolutely does NOT require you to spend real life money to get it.

Plus, the high price actually DISCOURAGES players from spending money for it. The in-game rich and wealthy will sport them. The plebs will ***** about it costing too much.



Maybe I just look at this all from another angle, eh?

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:29:00 - [3]
 

End of the day, it will come down to one thing.

If people buy it...

your point is correct, one sided correct though, as if no one bought the bread, the price would be dropped.

If no one buys this stuff in game, the price will drop... it will however stay if people buy it... it is in the hands of the players

however with the massive high price (IMO) even if they drop it now they have given alot of people a bitter taste over it...

Redents Minion
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:31:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I personally think of it as, what, the 1.5 bil isk monocles.

For a useless glory item, not bad. Like owning a faction ship that can never be flown without risking immediate gankage ... only now, you can wear it whenever you like.

It's not required.

It provides no benefits at all to our ships.

It's indestructable.

And it absolutely does NOT require you to spend real life money to get it.

Plus, the high price actually DISCOURAGES players from spending money for it. The in-game rich and wealthy will sport them. The plebs will ***** about it costing too much.



Maybe I just look at this all from another angle, eh?


So whats your basically saying is that CCP are pushing for a Class system in eve. Rich / Poor. More importantly... they want to give the rich plebs a way to show it off

I like it. :)

Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:31:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I personally think of it as, what, the 1.5 bil isk monocles.

For a useless glory item, not bad. Like owning a faction ship that can never be flown without risking immediate gankage ... only now, you can wear it whenever you like.





At least faction ships do something

And its generally known in any RMT active game, that low priced vanity items sell a lot better then outragiously high ones. CCP is shooting themselves in the foot here. If they lowered they price by half, it could easily sell 4 times more quickly.

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:35:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Hyperforce99
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I personally think of it as, what, the 1.5 bil isk monocles.

For a useless glory item, not bad. Like owning a faction ship that can never be flown without risking immediate gankage ... only now, you can wear it whenever you like.





At least faction ships do something

And its generally known in any RMT active game, that low priced vanity items sell a lot better then outragiously high ones. CCP is shooting themselves in the foot here. If they lowered they price by half, it could easily sell 4 times more quickly.


What if ... just what if ...

Bear with me, this is deep ...

CCP doesn't WANT to make a ton of RL money off the vanity store? What if it's a way to pull plexes, which are being farmed by certain faceless korean/russian bots, out of the market?

Dimitri Fukoyama
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:39:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Hyperforce99
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I personally think of it as, what, the 1.5 bil isk monocles.

For a useless glory item, not bad. Like owning a faction ship that can never be flown without risking immediate gankage ... only now, you can wear it whenever you like.





At least faction ships do something

And its generally known in any RMT active game, that low priced vanity items sell a lot better then outragiously high ones. CCP is shooting themselves in the foot here. If they lowered they price by half, it could easily sell 4 times more quickly.


What if ... just what if ...

Bear with me, this is deep ...

CCP doesn't WANT to make a ton of RL money off the vanity store? What if it's a way to pull plexes, which are being farmed by certain faceless korean/russian bots, out of the market?


Im sure thats what botters care about, 60$ monocles...

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:39:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
What if it's a way to pull plexes, which are being farmed by certain faceless korean/russian bots, out of the market?

Certainly bots will be vain enough to buy and wear those items.

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Hyperforce99
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I personally think of it as, what, the 1.5 bil isk monocles.

For a useless glory item, not bad. Like owning a faction ship that can never be flown without risking immediate gankage ... only now, you can wear it whenever you like.





At least faction ships do something

And its generally known in any RMT active game, that low priced vanity items sell a lot better then outragiously high ones. CCP is shooting themselves in the foot here. If they lowered they price by half, it could easily sell 4 times more quickly.


What if ... just what if ...

Bear with me, this is deep ...

CCP doesn't WANT to make a ton of RL money off the vanity store? What if it's a way to pull plexes, which are being farmed by certain faceless korean/russian bots, out of the market?


Im sure thats what botters care about, 60$ monocles...


Meh, sure they don't. The players buying isk, buying plexes with said isk, and generally distorting the plex concept, might care about 1.3bil monocles.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:43:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I personally think of it as, what, the 1.5 bil isk monocles.

For a useless glory item, not bad. Like owning a faction ship that can never be flown without risking immediate gankage ... only now, you can wear it whenever you like.

It's not required.

It provides no benefits at all to our ships.

It's indestructable.

And it absolutely does NOT require you to spend real life money to get it.

Plus, the high price actually DISCOURAGES players from spending money for it. The in-game rich and wealthy will sport them. The plebs will ***** about it costing too much.



Maybe I just look at this all from another angle, eh?


I agree that logically if you can't afford it you won't purchase it. But, what is truly wrong with MT in its current state is that CCP is now diverting significant developmental resources to serve a few high end customers by creating content that is largely inaccessible to many subscription paying customers while real features and fixes languish in a persistent 18 month or longer development cycle.

CCP could have easily made MT a success by including both expensive and inexpensive items. Granted, not everyone would still participate in MT no matter the circumstance. But at that point CCP could have separated the steadfast principled players from the rest of the playerbase. As it stands now, CCP has separated the few wealthy players from the rest of the playerbase giving everyone else a big FU.

If MT in its current state meets CCP's expectations then you can expect that more development resources will be thrown towards aspects that cater to the few willing to supply the cash.

Everyone needs to stop thinking about this purely from an affordability perspective and see the larger implications. It doesn't bode well for the future of the game.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:45:00 - [11]
 

This topic has topped the omg-emo-glee scale.

LAWL


Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:47:00 - [12]
 

First of all its not about isk. Isk is part of the game. This is about the real life price they are charging.

Second. The problem is one of trust and respect. There is no reason charge $60 for an in game cosmetic item other than hoping that we willl pay far far more than it is worth.
I would be unhappy if any company with which I had a long time customer relationship with decided to set ubsurd prices on products with a market strategy based on "Maybe a few few people will be willing to pay for a new if we charge maginitudes more than its worth."

.

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:48:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I personally think of it as, what, the 1.5 bil isk monocles.

For a useless glory item, not bad. Like owning a faction ship that can never be flown without risking immediate gankage ... only now, you can wear it whenever you like.

It's not required.

It provides no benefits at all to our ships.

It's indestructable.

And it absolutely does NOT require you to spend real life money to get it.

Plus, the high price actually DISCOURAGES players from spending money for it. The in-game rich and wealthy will sport them. The plebs will ***** about it costing too much.



Maybe I just look at this all from another angle, eh?


I agree that logically if you can't afford it you won't purchase it. But, what is truly wrong with MT in its current state is that CCP is now diverting significant developmental resources to serve a few high end customers by creating content that is largely inaccessible to many subscription paying customers while real features and fixes languish in a persistent 18 month or longer development cycle.

CCP could have easily made MT a success by including both expensive and inexpensive items. Granted, not everyone would still participate in MT no matter the circumstance. But at that point CCP could have separated the steadfast principled players from the rest of the playerbase. As it stands now, CCP has separated the few wealthy players from the rest of the playerbase giving everyone else a big FU.

If MT in its current state meets CCP's expectations then you can expect that more development resources will be thrown towards aspects that cater to the few willing to supply the cash.

Everyone needs to stop thinking about this purely from an affordability perspective and see the larger implications. It doesn't bode well for the future of the game.


CCP has done this with other items for years. Tournament rewards. Original super-caps/dreads. Officer fit ships. Items intended for the wealthy.

I'm just happy for once the wealthy don't immediately get another huge in-game advantage Laughing

Syphon Lodian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:53:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 22/06/2011 11:55:08
Because they are so damn expensive that not even rich tourists will buy them.

I can only see a handful of people buying stuff, then they will immediately regret it.

All joking aside, I was actually looking forward to AUR and the Noble Exchange. I figured, "Hey, since they're adding it, might as well try to like it, right?" Well, there is nothing to like. There is about (7?) items, and they all cost more than my real-life clothes that I am wearing now. The virtual monocle costs more than any pair of sunglasses I have in my house.

It needs to be cut at about 80% or more, and the inventory needs to be increased by about 200%. Obviously though, this is what CCP has planned all along, and the current model is only a showcase preview, clearly. Right.... right....... Right??!? ugh

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:55:00 - [15]
 

You all realize you are crying over a ingame monocle? Really?

Oh ya before the, it will not stop there. No it will not. You will all be crying over that pink prom dress only the wealthy can afford. And if that thought dose not stop u in your tracks-carry on, quite entertaining.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:56:00 - [16]
 

Mostly the high price just ensures that most players will ignore that product in the CCP store and that CCP will be the laughing stock of the MMO commnity for a while. It's sort of like trying to trade a product and having no clue about the going price of such products, so you mistakenly think that the only bad choice is to ask too little money for it. So you ask too much for it and make it clear to everyone how inept you are and how little knowledge you have about trading that product.

Syphon Lodian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:57:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: P42ALPHA
You all realize you are crying over a ingame monocle? Really?

Oh ya before the, it will not stop there. No it will not. You will all be crying over that pink prom dress only the wealthy can afford. And if that thought dose not stop u in your tracks-carry on, quite entertaining.


No, actually, we're not "crying over a monocle", we're concerned with the trend that has appeared with the overpriced 'Nob' Exchange. I think no one cares about the actual items, they just don't want to see the entire feature ruined because it remains overpriced, or the inventory scarce.

Arm Smith
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:57:00 - [18]
 

1.5bill for a monocle?

holy feck!!!

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:00:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Mostly the high price just ensures that most players will ignore that product in the CCP store and that CCP will be the laughing stock of the MMO commnity for a while. It's sort of like trying to trade a product and having no clue about the going price of such products, so you mistakenly think that the only bad choice is to ask too little money for it. So you ask too much for it and make it clear to everyone how inept you are and how little knowledge you have about trading that product.



*in a busy bazaar ... yes, bazaar ... somewhere dusty*

"Umm, got a monocle here! Great for seeing!"

"Yep, shiny monocle. Perfect vision for one eye!"

"You sir! Want a monocle? Can even start fires! Made by the Swiss!"

"Oh, how much?"

"Umm."

"One million American dollars!"

"Oh, very rare monocle. Made from solid kryptonite, this one!"

"Sir! SIR!!! Come back!"



"Ma'am! Want a monocle?"

Dimitri Fukoyama
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:04:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Mostly the high price just ensures that most players will ignore that product in the CCP store and that CCP will be the laughing stock of the MMO commnity for a while. It's sort of like trying to trade a product and having no clue about the going price of such products, so you mistakenly think that the only bad choice is to ask too little money for it. So you ask too much for it and make it clear to everyone how inept you are and how little knowledge you have about trading that product.



*in a busy bazaar ... yes, bazaar ... somewhere dusty*

"Umm, got a monocle here! Great for seeing!"

"Yep, shiny monocle. Perfect vision for one eye!"

"You sir! Want a monocle? Can even start fires! Made by the Swiss!"

"Oh, how much?"

"Umm."

"One million American dollars!"

"Oh, very rare monocle. Made from solid kryptonite, this one!"

"Sir! SIR!!! Come back!"



"Ma'am! Want a monocle?"


Im pretty sure the 60$ price is a ploy to do this:

Here, we lowered the monocle to the very reasonable price of 15$. Thats SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT OFF. See how reasonable we can be?

sid pr0vid3nce
BALKAN EXPRESS
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:05:00 - [21]
 

it's is not a monocle. it's the idea of eve. i'm playing this for 5+ years. and now people that mad ethis great game are s***ing all over it. adding sims and wow features. mentioned games are not played by older people, but kids (under 15).

i'm just shocked by all this. i want option to not use incarna and keep my spinning ships when i'm in station.

all new features are just new ways for ccp to grab money from us...at least from those dumb nerds. nothing against nerds. just against dumb people.

ugh


Mahakali
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:07:00 - [22]
 

I donīt give a s**t if there is an ingame item which costs 60$. I care about CCPs attitude and how their lost grip on reality will affect further development.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:09:00 - [23]
 

They just need to get rid of the plex conversion and figure out a $/AUR amount that is reasonable by taking a look at some of the other games out there with microtransactions in place.

Believe it or not, SOE actually did pretty well with their microtransactions, the prices are pretty reasonable. $20 gets you almost 2 full sets of clothes...

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:25:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Mostly the high price just ensures that most players will ignore that product in the CCP store and that CCP will be the laughing stock of the MMO commnity for a while. It's sort of like trying to trade a product and having no clue about the going price of such products, so you mistakenly think that the only bad choice is to ask too little money for it. So you ask too much for it and make it clear to everyone how inept you are and how little knowledge you have about trading that product.



*in a busy bazaar ... yes, bazaar ... somewhere dusty*

"Umm, got a monocle here! Great for seeing!"

"Yep, shiny monocle. Perfect vision for one eye!"

"You sir! Want a monocle? Can even start fires! Made by the Swiss!"

"Oh, how much?"

"Umm."

"One million American dollars!"

"Oh, very rare monocle. Made from solid kryptonite, this one!"

"Sir! SIR!!! Come back!"



"Ma'am! Want a monocle?"


Im pretty sure the 60$ price is a ploy to do this:

Here, we lowered the monocle to the very reasonable price of 15$. Thats SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT OFF. See how reasonable we can be?


So, pretty much exactly what your local Walmar/Costco/European substitute does every year with their major electronics, like TV's. Sure, but most of the year its' $900.00, but that one day after thanksgiving it goes down to $600 ... and there's no way they aren't still making 30% profit margins.

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:29:00 - [25]
 

Someone else said it yesterday, but it was buried - this is pretty simple, MTgeddon. If you wear it you will die.


Phoenix Snake
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:31:00 - [26]
 

The only fukin way, that I will ever pay $60 on a virtual monocle IS!

1). It enhances my already well equipped manhood by another 12", and gives it two independent heads!

2). It updates my real eyes with termographic, infra red, telescopic x-ray vision, so that I can see through ladies clothes from a mile away.

3). Or it virtually allows me to pick the winning lottery numbers in rl.ugh

Seriously highly unrealistic addition to the game, those items actually cost more than I'd be willing to pay in rl for clothes! Ummmm let me see, 8 cans of beer or a pair of virtual boots for my eve avatar?

CCP you just lost a **** load of credibility from me! Let's face its against the terms and conditions to sell in game items or characters for rl cash, and yet the direction you've chosen to take now! Is that players can use rl cash to buy ingame items? Which I'm pretty sure will not just be limited to clothing in the upcoming future!

What next? Rl money required for the upkeed of my cq, electricity/gas bills? Hell why not implement an Eve gas station so we have to fill are ships with $6 a gallons worth of fuel? Shocked




Lady Ayeipsia
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:32:00 - [27]
 

Also, MT stands for micro transactions. 80$ US is not micro!

KilABitcH
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:36:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: KilA***** on 22/06/2011 12:37:02
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama

Even if you dont plan on buying one

Because it has the same effect tourists have on local economies.

If there are enough tourists around to buy your loaf of bread for 3$, soon enough you dont want to sell it to the locals for the 0.50$ you used to sell it for.

If youd have a heart, and didnt strictly care only about money, youd still be selling that bread at 0.50 to the locals. Because you were still making a living back when you were selling at 1/6th of price.



Are you Greek by any chance?

Maeve Kelly
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:39:00 - [29]
 

OMG...I just saw a picture of this thing. Why would anyone want the monocle in the first place? It is FUGLY! Give me some awesome looking steam punk goggles, then we can talk.

Devil's Call
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:45:00 - [30]
 

I for one don't, I can't wait to see people walking around with a monocle that's worth 1/10th of a super carier plugged into their eye. And I might even buy one just to **** poor people off. Or people who only want to spend their ISK in an 'efficient' way. Going to be so much fun<3.


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