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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:06:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Indeed. CCP is not the embryonic company it was in 2003. Why people think Incarna is draining significant resources from the project as a whole is beyond me.

Hell, the most resource-heavy work required to make this happen (i.e. the bulk of the programming) was happening anyway because of World of Darkness.


ANYTHING else CCP does, is or has, has been leveraged off of the success of Eve Online. WoD / Dust are *minimum* one year from release (anyone taking bets on Dust meeting deadline?). So they aren't "bringing in cash" now.

Therefore, *ANY* money / resources / talent that was used elsewhere is money / resources / talent that was not availiable fore Eve.

The "bulk of the programming" for W.o.D. was payed for by subscriptions to Eve Online!

Considering how bad White Wolf SCREWED up Ars Magica and the Ellison books, it probably isn't CCP's fault....

Tariq Norn
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:13:00 - [62]
 

I agree that Incarna is nothing but a wallet-squeeze. I have no intention of paying RL money on this type of thing, and I imagine that very few people would.

As someone who in the real world has to balance effort with returns, it would be interesting to see what ccp's number crunchers think of this a few weeks in. I mean, if they have spent all this time and effort on something that at best is reveived as 'meh' and for the majority is ignored, it must be a phenomenal waste of company resources and time in a time of recession abd finacial challenge.

I wish they had made it so that it could be turned off. I have a decent machine, it runs fine, but its annoying and it spoils my gaming experience. If i want an online game that has ppl walking around in it, there are much better examples available. I play eve because i want to fly spaceships!!

But as far as those ppl buying clothing for their avatars go...seriously, you are a laughing stock.....using these things is like advertising you are a fool and were easily parted from your money.

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:13:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Fredfredbug4
I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

Does it ruin EVE lore? Nope, although it is rather unrealistic how pod pilots can get in and out of their pods without any downtime, they still get in and out of their pods, not as much as Incarna makes it look like but alas they still do. There are even larger plotholes. Such as the lack of a ship crew or the fact people can fly Caldari ships in the Gallente navy.

Does it make EVE less available to people? In a way, yes. Although the toll on graphics really isn't that bad. I'm running a old 2006 computer, not designed for gaming, with no hardware upgrades and I run Incarna just fine. So no ****, of course your 2004 dinosaur isn't going to work well. But what about people with internet restrictions? Well frankly that is not CCPs fault. Blame your ISP.

Could someone please explain the logic in the most unbiased way possible. All the people against Incarna look like to me are just grizzled vets who don't want the game to change in any way.



This game is an MMO. That means - we all play together as part of a community.
We (many of us at least) - as a community - have been asking for in station characters and interaction.
Our expectation? As an MMO our basic expectation was an interactive experience between players outside of the ships.

What have CCP done that appears to be so offensive?

They've given us the minimum level of implementation (1 race CQ) with zero out of pod player interaction capability - yet at the same time managed to push an MT revenue generation model in for vanity items. i.e. - rather than wait until Incarna is ready to meet player expectation, it 'appears' that it's been rushed out of the door in order to get MTs rolling. If that's true then it would indicate that money is more important than player experience. That can be taken as an insult.

Whether this is a true account or not - only CCP will know. I'm sure they'll refute it. The bottom line is that although CQ looks nice for those systems that can run it (and it's amazing how much grunt it appears to need) it does nothing to contribute to the multiplayer aspect of what is supposed to be an MMO. That's what we're playing here right? If I want to dress my dolly I go to Toys-R-Us and get a Barbie / Ken set. At the moment, we're playing monopoly solo and are being asked to pimp out Mayfair and dress the Dog in a Quafe T-Shirt for $£$£

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:14:00 - [64]
 

God how I love the ungrateful whiny eve community that could do everything and anything so much better than CCP....

Cut them some slack guys, Incarna is just polish, it helps entice new players to Eve and if you don't want to spend ISK on novelty items then don't. As for those that are moaning about other features not being fixed... stop me if I'm correct but features have continually been tweaked over eve's lifetime (with the best of intentions in an effort to improve them). The problem is when it works you all sit there and go... 'oh nice, I like that... what about that thing over there that's not working 100%.... RAGE!!!'

Fact of the matter is Eve is an awesome MMO that gives you the ability to play the entire game for free if you have the determination through purchasing plex with in game money. They also don't charge us for continually updated features. You weren't charged for the inroduction of POS's, carriers, extra pve missions, PI, wormholes etc etc. Some of you are saying incarna is a waste of resource... whatever, come back in 3 years when CCP have implemented their full designs/intentions for Eve/Dust etc and the majority of the gamers playing at that time will probably see some of those featurs as core gameplay. Open your minds a little bit guys. Eve is not purely nul sec pvp, it caters to carebears, roleplayers, thieves/scammers, pirates etc. This expansion may not be aimed at you particualrly but you can be guranteed that somewhere in the eve community people will be loving it. Get off your high horse and let some other members of the eve community get some love. You'd think most of you people who are whining would be grateful for what you've been given over the past 8 years or so.

And Remember, CCP are only human, they're not deities and at the end of the day they run a business that needs to make profit. You can't blame them for taking an obvious path to improve profits, if they don't they'll get left behind while the competition stomps all over them.

That's my two pence for all the haters. Now bring the RAGE Twisted Evil

Belt Humper
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:20:00 - [65]
 

The new interface is inferior to the old one and features had to be sacrificed in order to implement it, such as double clicking to open cargo bay and manipulating your ship without opening windows. Being able to walk around in a box and buy virtual sunglasses for $80 doesn't make up for the loss.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:26:00 - [66]
 

Because it won't be out for another year or so.

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:27:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Belt Humper
The new interface is inferior to the old one and features had to be sacrificed in order to implement it, such as double clicking to open cargo bay and manipulating your ship without opening windows. Being able to walk around in a box and buy virtual sunglasses for $80 doesn't make up for the loss.


Forgive me but they seem like some pretty minor sacrifices for where CCP want to take Incarna... remeber this is nowhere near the finished product for walking in stations etc... do you not think that in 3-5 years this feature might have the ability to be awesome? Walk in a box now, walk on planets/in ships interacting with all sorts of people/items/buildings in the future.... seems to make sense to me...

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:32:00 - [68]
 

What's Incarna? I live in w-space.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:37:00 - [69]
 

with max detail, eve online in station for me would give me 20fps, idk why but it wasnt bad since it was unnoticeable as my ship bobbed up and down at 20 instead of 30fps

in space i got 25~30 fps

with CQ, i get 6~10fps, on low unplayable, now yea things update and get better, but its irrelevant, CQ has 0 purpose, it just replaces the old hanger view. on top of that, it looks pretty bad.
turning station backgrounds off works, but its stupid
i can no longer
Open cargo with my mouse
open drone bay
know what ship i have without looking at the fitting window
spin my ship

ON top of that aurum store thing should have a 99% off sale for the rest of its life... because the most expensive thing in that store should be 100 aurum.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:40:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
Originally by: Belt Humper
The new interface is inferior to the old one and features had to be sacrificed in order to implement it, such as double clicking to open cargo bay and manipulating your ship without opening windows. Being able to walk around in a box and buy virtual sunglasses for $80 doesn't make up for the loss.


Forgive me but they seem like some pretty minor sacrifices for where CCP want to take Incarna... remeber this is nowhere near the finished product for walking in stations etc... do you not think that in 3-5 years this feature might have the ability to be awesome? Walk in a box now, walk on planets/in ships interacting with all sorts of people/items/buildings in the future.... seems to make sense to me...

i fail to see why its mandatory.
i dock
i am in hanger view, i want to get out and watch eve tv or go to the bar ( future update i guess)
i hit the leave ship button and it happens, right now im forced to leave my ship which from a lore, performance, and functionality standpoint

Miep Miep
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:50:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Originally by: Zeta Kalin
Originally by: Fredfredbug4
I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?



The issue is that there is no gameplay. They squandered enormous resources in a thing with no fun value whatsoever while letting entire parts of the game with actual gameplay riddled with bugs and half finished features.


They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.


And thats the problem, i want internetspaceship content, not sims in space content, else id play sims. And i just see ccp wasting more time on **** most ppl who play eve for spaceships dont want, dont need.

Iam running even out of skills to skill because they stopped develop spaceship content more or less 2 years ago. Already reduced my accounts from 3 to 1 because of this, and even thisone will be paused till spaceship content, just nothing more to do for me.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:51:00 - [72]
 

I am a soldier for Godddess sake, there is no time to stroll leisurely around ones quarters .. hell most times I walk briskly in real life as well.

Drag'n'Drop is gone, to change a ship now (even in static view) requires you to go through the context menu.

It has no purpose whatsoever, adds nothing new and solves no problems. Eyecandy (resource hungry one at that!) simply for the sake of eyecandy is bad design.
Sure we may have the MMO part added sometime next year, but then it shouldn't have been released until then.

Added mouse-clicks alone is enough for me to dislike it, but guess I save some when probing now ...

Mystic5hadow
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:54:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Mystic5hadow on 22/06/2011 07:57:19
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

Quit whining. The expansion was free. It gave what a lot of us DID want. If you're computer isn't up to snuff, that's sad, but too bad for you.

Incarna is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

You're all acting like entitled little ****s. Get over yourselves. Incarna doesn't actually impact much of anything as it is and you're being little nitpicky *****es who need to grow up.

EDIT: Oh yeah, if your biggest problem is performance: Get out of your Mother's basement and GET A JOB and buy a computer that isn't from 2003. Then you'll be perfectly happy. This excludes those with new computers having issues. It's not that hard. It's not that expensive. There really isn't an excuse. My $300 computer from 2008 runs it fine so pretty much anybody who gives a crap about PC's and PC gaming should have no issues.

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:57:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
I am a soldier for Godddess sake, there is no time to stroll leisurely around ones quarters .. hell most times I walk briskly in real life as well.

Drag'n'Drop is gone, to change a ship now (even in static view) requires you to go through the context menu.

It has no purpose whatsoever, adds nothing new and solves no problems. Eyecandy (resource hungry one at that!) simply for the sake of eyecandy is bad design.
Sure we may have the MMO part added sometime next year, but then it shouldn't have been released until then.

Added mouse-clicks alone is enough for me to dislike it, but guess I save some when probing now ...


So by the same token should they not have released eve at all yet until 2032 when they have a fully polished game doing everything they wanted it to?

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:00:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

Quit whining. The expansion was free. It gave what a lot of us DID want. If you're computer isn't up to snuff, that's sad, but too bad for you.

Incarna is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

You're all acting like entitled little ****s. Get over yourselves. Incarna doesn't actually impact much of anything as it is and you're being little nitpicky *****es who need to grow up.

i was going to disect your ******ed post, but well.. ur a ******... well lets try...
first any item put in the game like that will change the way its played, with aurum plex will go up ect.
next what "a lot of us did want" was the exact opposite of incarna. i estimate 2% of players can no longer play the game because the the shader thing and another 20% cannot do CQ at more then 20FPS with another 10% haveing issues like overheating because of horribly optimized content.

It wont bring new players, because a normal computer cannot run it, sorry to break it too you but people don't care. PC elitist may be in denial but PC gaming is a dieing breed, maybe 3 years down the road an affordable PC can run incarna at 60fps.

incarna wouldn't impact us if it was optional like it was supposed to be.

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:01:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Miep Miep
Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Originally by: Zeta Kalin
Originally by: Fredfredbug4
I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?



The issue is that there is no gameplay. They squandered enormous resources in a thing with no fun value whatsoever while letting entire parts of the game with actual gameplay riddled with bugs and half finished features.


They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.


And thats the problem, i want internetspaceship content, not sims in space content, else id play sims. And i just see ccp wasting more time on **** most ppl who play eve for spaceships dont want, dont need.

Iam running even out of skills to skill because they stopped develop spaceship content more or less 2 years ago. Already reduced my accounts from 3 to 1 because of this, and even thisone will be paused till spaceship content, just nothing more to do for me.


well for internet spaceships you now have turret animations and they're apparentyl working on missile animations/drones nos/neuts etc...

and if you're running out of skills to train then I'd prob advise getting a job or at least getting out of the house a bit more... or juts dare I say it play eve a little less

durka dreckly
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:01:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: durka dreckly on 22/06/2011 08:02:29
I'm paying for spaceships not sims, plus the fact they using our money to develope the sims part.

Oh and for reference adding turret animation is not adding content.

N'oah
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:01:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
People are angry because Incarna was hyped and hyped and hyped and in the end we were given a cash shop with overpriced items.

They hyped a cash shop.

They hyped how awesome it would be to give them money. I, on a personal level, find this incredibly insulting. It's highly unlikely that this was a new development. I'm guessing that the primary motivation (at least on the beancounter side) for Incarna was because it was seen as an acceptable way to squeeze money out of people.

The fact that I am immune to their attempts to wring money out of me does not make me any less insulted by the fact that they tried to get me excited about it.

Also, this expansion effectively has no content. I don't just mean content in the missions sense, I mean that if you took the actual gameplay changes, you could pass them off collectively as Incursions 1.7. This is not an expansion. It's an attempt to extract money in combination with a patch that's masquerading as an expansion.

That insults me. That offends me. And it does not speak good things for the future of Eve Online.


Im not good in writing long texts in english so im just gonna quote a guy that i agree with

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:02:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.
That's not the complaint. The problem is that the prices only serve to demonstrate that CCP don't understand how microtransactions work.
Quote:
It gave what a lot of us DID want.
A lot of you apparently have very low standards and/or low expectations…

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:03:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Mystic5hadow
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.
That's not the complaint. The problem is that the prices only serve to demonstrate that CCP don't understand how microtransactions work.
Quote:
It gave what a lot of us DID want.
A lot of you apparently have very low standards and/or low expectations…


nope, we just see the bigger picture

Nominh Ehre
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:06:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Edited by: Mystic5hadow on 22/06/2011 07:57:19
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

Quit whining. The expansion was free. It gave what a lot of us DID want. If you're computer isn't up to snuff, that's sad, but too bad for you.

Incarna is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

You're all acting like entitled little ****s. Get over yourselves. Incarna doesn't actually impact much of anything as it is and you're being little nitpicky *****es who need to grow up.

EDIT: Oh yeah, if your biggest problem is performance: Get out of your Mother's basement and GET A JOB and buy a computer that isn't from 2003. Then you'll be perfectly happy. This excludes those with new computers having issues. It's not that hard. It's not that expensive. There really isn't an excuse. My $300 computer from 2008 runs it fine so pretty much anybody who gives a crap about PC's and PC gaming should have no issues.


Its not free, they use our subscription money to make stuff that we are not interested in. And It was not optional to download/install. If it had been optional i would never download it

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:06:00 - [82]
 

Because they removed the station hangar ( and ship spinning), and thus made Incarna not optional.
The removal of the station hangar also resulted in several losses of functionality ( like double clicking your ship to open ship hangar ).

The addition of microtransactions, I want the cloth, but I don't want to pay real life money for it.

After all the hype of how cool this would be they basically a 3D interface to sell microtransactions.

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:08:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: durka dreckly
Edited by: durka dreckly on 22/06/2011 08:02:29
I'm paying for spaceships not sims, plus the fact they using our money to develope the sims part.

Oh and for reference adding turret animation is not adding content.


I never said it was adding content, I was saying it added to the whole 'I want internet spaceships' thing. more polish for thos of us that pine over them

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:09:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
nope, we just see the bigger picture


lol

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:10:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Mystic5hadow
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.
That's not the complaint. The problem is that the prices only serve to demonstrate that CCP don't understand how microtransactions work.
Quote:
It gave what a lot of us DID want.
A lot of you apparently have very low standards and/or low expectations…


nope, we just see the bigger picture

want to open that bar in game?
one stool 12,000 aurum
the bar itself 50,000 aurum
liquor liscense another 10,000 aurum

i see the big picture, i saw the big picture in eve years ago, it was an OPTIONAL thing to do in downtime ( not playing) dock in station, instead of spinning i might want to leave ship, walk to the bar see a corpie, play cards get a drink u know, fun stuff?
nah, force me to walk in a closet, i didnt want to get out of my ship, forcing players to do something = bad

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:11:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 08:13:28
Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
nope, we just see the bigger picture
No, you're dreaming of a bigger picture.

This expansion did not bring you anything you wanted, unless you have very low standards, for the simple reason that it didn't actually add anything to the game. What you think you've been given is not there yet — it's all in the future. Until (if) we get there, you will have what you want; until then, you don't. In the meantime, this expansion has reduced the functionality of the game for no useful reason.

This is the bigger picture you're missing: if it's good in the future, then that's great… in the future. Right now, it's not great. In fact, it's much less great than it was yesterday. Seeing a very narrow slice of a presumptive future is not "the bigger picture".

I really want Incarna. This expansion is not it. Once Incarna is actually released in a year or two, I'll be pleased as Punch.

Gutuie
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:12:00 - [87]
 

so far for me incarna mean "your pc will get resources sucked like hell"
if they keep doing that with every patch until they full deploy incarna, sooner or later u will need a new pc every 2-3 month
yea yea I know we need to buy new nvidia products
sadly all this only to get a room and to transform a space game in a sim game

Mystic5hadow
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:14:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Mystic5hadow on 22/06/2011 08:13:52
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
i was going to disect your ******ed post, but well.. ur a ******... well lets try...
first any item put in the game like that will change the way its played, with aurum plex will go up ect.
next what "a lot of us did want" was the exact opposite of incarna. i estimate 2% of players can no longer play the game because the the shader thing and another 20% cannot do CQ at more then 20FPS with another 10% haveing issues like overheating because of horribly optimized content.

It wont bring new players, because a normal computer cannot run it, sorry to break it too you but people don't care. PC elitist may be in denial but PC gaming is a dieing breed, maybe 3 years down the road an affordable PC can run incarna at 60fps.

incarna wouldn't impact us if it was optional like it was supposed to be.
Currently, Incarna is optional. You can disable it in the menu. If you're going to complain that you want the old dock, WHY? It was useless and did nothing, all you could do was ship spin. So it is irrelevant.

Also, your percentage estimates are almost certainly waaaaay off.

Oh and maybe an affordable computer can run Incarna in a few years? Well, that's not necessary. A $300-400 computer can easily run Incarna. My old computer from 2008 can run it fine and that thing is ancient. If people don't have anything better than what I had in 2008 than that is sad because I was jobless and just out of highschool at the time yet I managed to afford one even while paying rent. So there really is no excuse for not having a decent PC, especially if you're playing a game like EvE that has clearly wanted to up the graphics for a while now, so it's not like you didn't all have time to prepare.

Basically, those complaining about CQ are (excluding those with good PC's with issues for whatever reasons.) idiots who don't understand the future vision of EvE that CCP has been talking about and showing for YEARS now and are either too stupid or lazy or SOMETHING that they did not prepare to get a decent gaming PC before CQ/Incarna launched.

So, in the end, you only have yourselves to blame for being ignorant about this whole thing. It's not like it was a surprise. You all knew it was coming and were either in denial or are just plain ignorant about this and/or how PC's and PC Gaming work in general.



Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Mystic5hadow
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.
That's not the complaint. The problem is that the prices only serve to demonstrate that CCP don't understand how microtransactions work.
Quote:
It gave what a lot of us DID want.
A lot of you apparently have very low standards and/or low expectations…


nope, we just see the bigger picture
This.

Kern Hotha
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:15:00 - [89]
 

Eve is about spaceships. Incarna is about using Eve to test technology for World of Darkness. Incarna adds nothing of value to the game of spaceships called Eve. There is a long list of bugs, neglected features, and worthwhile improvements to the core game play of Eve that would have been of much greater worth than introducing the ability to walk around a small, dark room.

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:15:00 - [90]
 

Its not free, they use our subscription money to make stuff that we are not interested in. And It was not optional to download/install. If it had been optional i would never download it


So what... should CCP offer each indiviudal a tailor made update package....

'Oh I'll take the eve updates thay gave BS's, Titans, carriers and POS's but I don't want the PI, freighters or incarna, or incursion updates'

Seriously, think how much you've had since eve first came out... and now your moaning about incarna because you can't see that it;s the first step in something bigger


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