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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.06.22 01:13:00 - [1]
 

The cheapest article of clothing a capsuleer can buy is costlier than a fully crewed battleship.

Implication: There some aspect of the Yulai Convention preventing ordinary clothing merchants to sell to capsuleers. Despite all their wealth, even something so simple as a dress is out of their reach. And not even a very nice looking dress. So suffer the immortals. Only the NEX corporation can make it through this legislated impass, and devote 99.9999% of the item cost to buying their way through CONCORD fashion police agents.

Nullsec, while nominally lawless, is full of hard working CONCORD fashion police, enforcing the clothing embargo against capsuleers with total efficiency.


Can anyone think of a less insane sounding scenario that could justify why a dress costs as much as a fleet of battleships?

Arista Shahni
Amarr
Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
Posted - 2011.06.22 01:37:00 - [2]
 

Don't know but the ides of a sentence like this is funny:

"You see these boots?", the capsuleer said, "They cost more than you, the lives of your six thousand crewmates, and this entire battleship. So I'd appreciate some care while you polish them."

Desya Dak'ann
Caldari
No Ducks Allowed
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:09:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Arista Shahni
Don't know but the ides of a sentence like this is funny:

"You see these boots?", the capsuleer said, "They cost more than you, the lives of your six thousand crewmates, and this entire battleship. So I'd appreciate some care while you polish them."



This is being quoted for utter win sauce

Sciencegeek deathdealer
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:34:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Arista Shahni
Don't know but the ides of a sentence like this is funny:

"You see these boots?", the capsuleer said, "They cost more than you, the lives of your six thousand crewmates, and this entire battleship. So I'd appreciate some care while you polish them."



I lol'd.

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.22 03:07:00 - [5]
 

Aurum conversion rates are obviously wrong and will go down. If they don't, there will be lots of community backlash... oh wait, there already is.

That being said, it isn't impossible that a suit or dress could, for instance, sell for millions of ISK -- plenty of real world examples exist for that. The real trouble is in making any of them cost more than a battleship, yes.

Cal Stantson
Posted - 2011.06.22 03:34:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Cal Stantson on 22/06/2011 03:35:27
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Aurum conversion rates are obviously wrong and will go down. If they don't, there will be lots of community backlash... oh wait, there already is.

That being said, it isn't impossible that a suit or dress could, for instance, sell for millions of ISK -- plenty of real world examples exist for that.


Really? Are there actually real world examples of a piece of clothing costing more than a freshly commissioned modern warship?

Let's be generous and assume that an EVE Supercarrier costs 40Bn Isk. That's what, 10 pairs of EVE trousers? The cost of a commissioned Nimitz Class supercarrier is around $10 Billion. Taking an exchange rate of 10 pairs of trousers to one state of the art warship, we arrive at a price of around $1Bn for a pair of trousers. I challenge you to find any garment of clothing in the history of the world that retails for the equivalent of a Billion dollars.

That's roughly the annual GDP of Liberia. Immersion breaking?

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.22 04:01:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Cal Stantson
Edited by: Cal Stantson on 22/06/2011 03:35:27
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda


That being said, it isn't impossible that a suit or dress could, for instance, sell for millions of ISK -- plenty of real world examples exist for that.


Really? Are there actually real world examples of a piece of clothing costing more than a freshly commissioned modern warship?


Of course, the sentence immediately after you conveniently decided to stop quoting was: "The real trouble is in making any of them cost more than a battleship."



Seven WarTargets InSystem
Posted - 2011.06.22 04:21:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Seven WarTargets InSystem on 22/06/2011 04:22:04

Ranita Drell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.06.22 04:41:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Ranita Drell on 22/06/2011 04:45:46
Even at a tenth of a price, NEX items would be almost impossible to reconcile with any sort of sensible reality.

I know NEX was given an in-game existence and background and all, but it's not tenable and is probably best ignored.

But if we're not ignoring it, I would simply chalk this up the insanity and skewed world-view of the capsuleer population. If we spare no thought for the hundreds and thousands of crew deaths we participate in, why should we think twice about buying ridiculously overpriced clothing, even if we could hire a personal shopper to buy something just as nice at 0.000008% of the cost?

Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:30:00 - [10]
 

And so there I was. Bloodied. Beaten. Bruised. My corp, my ship, my very life left in ruins. I was once a god, soaring through the skies laughing on the billions of poor worthless lives scratching an existance in the dust below. Now I was face down in it.

The pirates had finally caught up with me an exacted their ruthless justice. I should have known better than to take a contract against them. They left me there with nothing but the shirt on my back. Fortunately it was worth 1.4 billion.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.22 23:05:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Khul Drukath
The pirates had finally caught up with me an exacted their ruthless justice. I should have known better than to take a contract against them. They left me there with nothing but the shirt on my back. Fortunately it was worth 1.4 billion.


I was wondering where you were going with that, then I had a good chuckle. My take is these are quasi-BPO's, and you're not actually buying a shirt for a billion ISK. You're buying a... fabric pattern for a billion ISK.

Fine, that's ridiculous.

But there are people who will pay, because they have no other use for ISK and derive some benefit from "showing off." It may be difficult to "show off" without being able to walk around in public, but some people will buy. That helps sink ISK, combating inflation.

When those people have been exhausted, the prices will either fall off a cliff, or (perhaps equally likely) so many players will have forgotten about the store altogether, it won't be an issue.

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2011.06.22 23:40:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Arista Shahni
Don't know but the ides of a sentence like this is funny:

"You see these boots?", the capsuleer said, "They cost more than you, the lives of your six thousand crewmates, and this entire battleship. So I'd appreciate some care while you polish them."



Yeah, it's not the sort of conversation you'd want to have with a baseliner.



Arista Shahni
Amarr
Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:01:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Arista Shahni
Don't know but the ides of a sentence like this is funny:

"You see these boots?", the capsuleer said, "They cost more than you, the lives of your six thousand crewmates, and this entire battleship. So I'd appreciate some care while you polish them."



Yeah, it's not the sort of conversation you'd want to have with a baseliner.





In all seriousness :) I suppose it depends on the capsuleer's mental state. Lifting the tops off of anthills and chasing them with a magnifying glass seems to be a very viable tangent to take with fiction in the EVE universe. Making people pee their uniforms seems to be standard, and not striving to do so seems to be outside of the norm, at least in the fiction pieces I've seen so far. I haven't gotten through all of the Chronicles yet.

Yeah. It's all about the little things. Cool


Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:20:00 - [14]
 


Raid'En
Posted - 2011.06.23 01:40:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh

I was wondering where you were going with that, then I had a good chuckle. My take is these are quasi-BPO's, and you're not actually buying a shirt for a billion ISK. You're buying a... fabric pattern for a billion ISK.

well after all, given from what i heard these things are sent back to you after you die... it means we have a life contract with the producer, for how many clothes we will need.
however there's still a BIG issue with that explantion ; how can our clothes cost more than our whole clone body ? finally it explain nothing xD

Valerie Valate
Amarr
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:42:00 - [16]
 

The only things I can think of that would even come close would be things like the Crown Jewels. iirc, one of the crowns the Queen wears, or maybe one of the swords has diamonds in it, that are valued at some 200M.

And warships in the 1980's cost something like 200M for each ship. But those were destroyers and frigates, not the biggest warships at the time.

Even in the 1900's battleships were considerably more expensive than any articles of clothing.

Going back further in history, there might have been a time when a Queen's outfit cost more than a wooden man o'war, but I doubt it.

Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:12:00 - [17]
 

This post in short:
(1) ISK prices make sense for the richest segment of characters
(2) RMT prices make sense for the more money than time segment of players
(3) Prices do not make sense in-character, since most of the "fashion" looks like crap.
(I do think that most haute couture looks like crap, so a fashion designer might not agree.)

The store needs more price variation. Sell a simpler ****-brown shirt for pebbles and the third-world dictator outfit for more (oh wait, there's no such outfit available).

The prices on the expensive items make very much sense when compared to amounts of ISK some people have. Naturally, compared to what they are (not looking very good), the prices are high. Remembering the main function of the store (AURUM is only available through an item that enters the game via RMT), the prices are rather obscene, as most people have likely understood that they're supposed to RMT their items, which as far as I've understood is not the case.

The store has two customer groups:
(1) Those who are very e-rich.
(2) Those who don't mind emptying wallets on virtual things.

So no, that store is... well, kind of exclusive and not meant for the general public. Quoting the old local wisdom, "the stupid one isn't the one who asks the price, but the one who pays". Of course, I'd expect the prices to get tuned a bit if these things don't sell. If they sell as expected (possibly not meaning that every Tom, **** and Harry buys something), then all is fine and dandy. If few percent of the customers buy items worth one PLEX total for one character monthly, it'll still be possibly around a million dollars per year, or assuming ISK volume, tens of thousands of PLEX removed from the economy (tens of billions of ISK returned to circulation from e-rich people's wallets). The actual scenario is likely somewhere in between. Perhaps we will hear about that in a devblog, assuming that CCP's logs show something about the issue.

Earlier today I wrote a story about how the Noble Exchange acquires its materials from a remote planet in Ned system, Aridia by the means of Minmatar child labour. Combine that with rare and dangerous near-extinct animals the chil-*ahem* sla-*ahem* workers hunt for leather, work camp conditions and blood raiders, it seemed rather macabre. After adding some other "fine" details on the process (think about fur animal keeping in China), I was rather disgusted myself, and decided not to post that.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:22:00 - [18]
 

I personally love it from the RP angle.

My character can now justify why someone is a pompous moronic toad without even knowing them. And there is an in-game reason to back up the opinion.

Ranita Drell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.06.24 10:47:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Boma Airaken
I personally love it from the RP angle.

My character can now justify why someone is a pompous moronic toad without even knowing them. And there is an in-game reason to back up the opinion.

This just highlights the problems with the fiction behind NEX for me.

If I want to customize my character beyond the extremely limited selection of clothing and accessories available for free, my only option is to have her wear super extravagantly priced stuff that she would never touch IC. The options are having her receive the items as gifts or handwaving it as saying she's actually wearing something sanely priced that just happens to resemble NEX clothing.

Orphan World
Kitzless
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:28:00 - [20]
 

I gotta say I love how, in an expansion touted as Roleplayer candy, CCP manages to A) take a sledgehammer to the thin veneer of immersion they've built over the years, and B) make a corporation recruitment interface that doesn't have "[ ] Roleplay" as a criteria.

The NeX prices are the most RP-hostile development to the game CCP has ever produced.

Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:22:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 24/06/2011 19:23:07
Personally NEX might as well read as next. I looked at the items and nearly chocked over the prices. They won't have to worry about me buying PLEX to purchase these little trinkets for sure. I'm happy with how I look with the character customization.


Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:56:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Orphan World
I gotta say I love how, in an expansion touted as Roleplayer candy, CCP manages to A) take a sledgehammer to the thin veneer of immersion they've built over the years, and B) make a corporation recruitment interface that doesn't have "[ ] Roleplay" as a criteria.

The NeX prices are the most RP-hostile development to the game CCP has ever produced.


I wouldn't go that far. It will be VERY hard to top disbanding AURORA, if it is even possible to top that uber****up.

Amseln deBrabant
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:09:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Arista Shahni

"You see these boots?", the capsuleer said, "They cost more than you, the lives of your six thousand crewmates, and this entire battleship. So I'd appreciate some care while you polish them."



epic lol

great post thanks


 

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