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Almain Stavros
Posted - 2011.06.22 00:53:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Almain Stavros on 22/06/2011 00:55:33
Edited by: Almain Stavros on 22/06/2011 00:55:07
Edited by: Almain Stavros on 22/06/2011 00:54:50
I would like to propose that Loot Log Exporting be brought back, as it was before Incursion 1.5, or incorporated into the API in some new way, so that we don't have to spend a large amount of time figuring out the loot shares for Fleet Members.

The removal of this feature has caused a lot problems for myself, my Corp-Mates, and many other people who have been discussing it in this thread.

This feature saved a lot of time for Op-Coordinators, and Fleet Leaders, by allowing us to export the Loot Logs, and input them into a 3rd party program to determine who deserves what share of the profits. Now we have to go through the in-game Loot Logs manually, and determine shares manually, or manually type out a document with what the Exported Loot Log would have been to input it into our 3rd party programs.

If this feature were to return in some way, it would save countless man-hours for Op-Coordinators, and Fleet Leaders, by allowing them to easily use 3rd party programs for dividing loot shares again.

I also feel that CCP has ignored the Players by removing this feature, and only giving us a pathetic response telling us it was removed because CCP Soundwave isn't a fan of export features in general then completely ignoring the thread. The response to the player outcry on this issue has been pitiful at best.

After saying that, I would also like to include in my proposal that when, and if this is brought to CCP's attention, our very deep disappointment in their response to the player outcry is conveyed to them, and ask that they try to respond better to issues like this in the future, or at the very least, if they only post a single reply to an issue like this, come up with a better more detailed reason for the features change/removal.

Uncle Lenny
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy

Posted - 2011.06.22 01:52:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Uncle Lenny on 03/07/2011 15:44:24
I too would like this feature brought back. I know of 2 people which had multiple accounts each, let the game go because of this feature. Both were indy pilots like myself. Running mining ops is what we do. How do we divy up the payments if we cant export the loot log and run numbers into a spreadsheet? Yeah, its still 'possible' but it is unnecessarily complicated.

I would like this feature to come back to the game asap. It was not hurting anyone before, and all it has had is negative effects since it was taken away.

Please bring Loot Export back asap.

Lenny.

Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:21:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Zen Jardo on 24/06/2011 23:19:25
I used the export feature heavily. I even wrote a web service where I could upload a loot log and get payout amounts in seconds. Now I'm back to entering the loot information into a spreadsheet by hand. I don't even care to lead PvE ops anymore because of the removal of this feature. Just not worth the hassle.

Terra Walker
Angel Causalities Demolition Crew
Posted - 2011.06.22 17:25:00 - [4]
 

Yes is would like this back as well

Xander Hunt
Minmatar
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
Posted - 2011.06.22 17:46:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Xander Hunt on 23/06/2011 00:43:21
I rarely use this feature, but removal of something so obviously useful to a large set of players seems rather ridiculous. How much code did it take to simply export? It doesn't degrade performance, it doesn't exploit the game in any way, it allows players to function more efficiently in game.

+1 for putting this functionality back in.

DoeRej Mi
Gallente
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.22 18:36:00 - [6]
 

Please get this put back.

Civ Zomas
Gallente
Jazz Associates
Posted - 2011.06.22 23:53:00 - [7]
 

Yes, seconded. This regression brought back a significant and unwelcome burden for anyone who has to calculate splits after an extraction or Sleepers op, record looting after a roam or whatever. It should be reversed as soon as possible.

While of no concern to many, loot logging is a daily concern to some - and those are people whom other players depend upon for their enjoyment of the game. It does not help Eve when you re-institute a banal punishment duty on op leaders for no apparent reason.

Eve's feature set would be crushed if minority interest were reason enough to remove something. A feature's failure to "thrill" a particular developer isn't a good criteria either - at least not unless he explains why it doesn't. CCP Soundwave's bewildering response on the 20th of May certainly didn't contain any explanation, though I would be fascinated to hear what (if any) reasons he can produce now.

Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.23 01:48:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Max Kolonko on 23/06/2011 01:48:36
this. I use a program called loot calculator, that requires those files to run.

Simone Victoria
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:17:00 - [9]
 

YEEESSSSSSSS!!!! Going insane!

Ryona Highwind
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.23 03:10:00 - [10]
 

supported, not because I use it but because ccp doesnt care about the players just themselves.

I mean on one of the topics they said they didnt like it so that was why they removed it, screw the players as long they are happy right? Mad

Kriestik Tekitsu
Posted - 2011.06.23 04:04:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Kriestik Tekitsu on 24/06/2011 05:39:50
Please bring this back...as far as I can see there was no reason what so ever to remove this from the game other than and obvious move to try to force players into pvp because pve had now become such a hassle. I dissaprove and it has kept me from creating more accounts, yes ccp you are losing money from me because of this.

neckcracker crackers
Posted - 2011.06.23 05:45:00 - [12]
 

I would like to see the loot log brought back also!

Junyst Ala'Kai
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:02:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Junyst Ala''Kai on 23/06/2011 22:54:38
Edited by: Junyst Ala''Kai on 23/06/2011 12:01:51
I agree this is just basic tools the game should have in it by default. i dont see the need to remove it at all.

Rudolph Jimler
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:00:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Rudolph Jimler on 24/06/2011 01:59:48
i agree, bring it back CCP

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:21:00 - [15]
 


von Diel
Gallente
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:49:00 - [16]
 

It wasn't a feature that I made frequent use of, but its clearly something that many people found handy and was removed for no adequately explained reason.

Supported.

neckcracker crackers
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:39:00 - [17]
 

And again i would like to put my vote of confidence to bring back loot log exporting :)

Taipion
Caldari
Operations Control
United Pod Service
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:56:00 - [18]
 

Yes, please!

Alijah Mercer
Caldari
King Wholesaling
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:01:00 - [19]
 

Please bring it back and quickly.

clearskys
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:01:00 - [20]
 

i do sincerely believe that the program should be put back in the game. With mining ops and other loot based missions that the fleet leader is responsible for figuring out who gets what and how much; it is the only program in the game to allow that to be done correctly and fairly for all concerned. If the fleet leaders have to try to do it manually, i am afraid that would be enough to cause them to either quit the game or quit running missions of any kind that involve a fleet. And that would make a whole lot of people move on to other games which we don't want to happen. So please listen to the people that play the game and reinstall it.

sevham
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:02:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: sevham on 28/06/2011 17:02:30
The export of fleet history saved me more time then I guess CCP realizes. I really don't understand why it was just taken out. At least if you are going to take the export feature out, have the ability to copy all/copy selected your fleet history window similar to chat windows...maybe a log file...something would have been nice. Taking the ability away for really no good reason without any feature replacement is just bad customer service. It just tells me it only matters what CCP thinks about features...not what the current Eve community might want or need.

Angelica Dominus
Posted - 2011.06.29 00:25:00 - [22]
 

I completely agree. I don't know why this feature was removed, but it's making corporate life hell for a lot of people. If it doesn't come back, and come back soon, many people will start leaving. It's not easy to pay people for their loot anymore. This is unacceptable.

Circumstantial Evidence
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:04:00 - [23]
 

Casting vote to re-enable this disabled functionality.

-Developer time estimate: 1 minute.
-QA time estimate: 5 minutes. (Because they'll have to re-test the export on all supported clients.)

Rhulan Koraka
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:39:00 - [24]
 

Please re-instate this feature CCP, or at the very least give us another way to perform a bulk export of this data.

TehRoot
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:02:00 - [25]
 

This feature needs to be brought back. Sleeper sites are hell to break down without this logging, so it would be wonderful if it was brought back. +1 from me.

Drunein
Caldari
Space Tech Innovations
Dangerous By Design
Posted - 2011.07.03 15:58:00 - [26]
 

I would like this feature back ASAP.

Iradlac Oreguard
Posted - 2011.07.03 16:00:00 - [27]
 


Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.04 03:26:00 - [28]
 

I would like to support this, but first does anyone know why it was taken away in the first place? Was it being exploited?

Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:45:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: CCP Punkturis
This functionality has been added back internally and will be deployed later Smile

The menu item will be located in the settings menu in the top left corner of the fleet window.

Enjoy!


Sooo, we are waiting :)

Uncle Lenny
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.07.05 09:26:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Max Kolonko
Originally by: CCP Punkturis
This functionality has been added back internally and will be deployed later Smile

The menu item will be located in the settings menu in the top left corner of the fleet window.

Enjoy!


Sooo, we are waiting :)



Hopefully its not TOO much "later". I'd like to get some operations going soon. This is going to make the payout much easier.



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