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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:10:00 - [901]
 

Originally by: Mecinia Lua
That's kinda my point, I could buy the ETC and convert to PLEX and just sell the PLEX for isk and get ships/mods etc which is far more useful in game than the vanity items. I mean you could buy a carrier and fully fit it for the price of the monocle.


But by definition, ships and mods would be far more useful in game than vanity items REGARDLESS of the price.

BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:11:00 - [902]
 

CCP seriously ...

First CQ is a disaster for many reasons (and i'm a pro-Inarna) ... now this ...

Futile Rhetoric
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:11:00 - [903]
 

Originally by: Syme
Ok so a lot of people donít seem to understand retail marketing.

Clearly, the point of retail marketing is to enrage your customers. Yes. I am glad someone understands it.

It's funny, every single argument I've seen so far in favour of this travesty is quasi-academic. One would almost be inclined to think the people defending CCP in this matter are autistic or something.

Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:11:00 - [904]
 

Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 22/06/2011 11:18:37
Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
The prices are just to high for a vanity item.



It's a vanity item, how can you place a specific value on an item that by definition does nothing at all?


Simple, by looking at it from an Real life view.
Are you willing to spend 80 dollars on a monocle in real life that does nothing at all, maybe you would.

Are you willing to spend 80 dollars on a monocle in a video game, that does nothing at all and which has no function nor purpose in the game. AND which you do not ACTUALLY LEGALLY OWN!

The only reason RMT works in other games is because:

A. In a multi-player environment, with only a limited selection of characters, people want to stand out.

In EVE there is currently no such multi-player environment yet, Captains quarters is a simple player environment and people
don't actually focus on character portraits while playing the game. In EVE all characters look differently because of the
character customization options. While this model might still work in EVE, it would only be successfull if the prices of these
vanity items are low enough ( a few dollars AT MOSTExclamation ) and not as outrageously expensive as they are right now.

The custom ship skins that CCP is planning on selling in future are another problem, You do not legally own those ship skins,
you are buying a paintjob for a ship that you can lose just a easily as any other. Once your ship is destroyed, you can not
re-apply that same paint job to a new ship, it will be gone, FOREVER. and you will have to buy a new one. So far as I know,
there has never been a video game that allows RMT vanity items to be bought by players which they can actually lose!

Losing a Plex that you want to trade on the market is one thing, You could have activated the PLEX in a station of your choic
and sold it there. Losing ship skins, and other vanity items that you PAID FOR IN REAL CASH is simply NOT DONE! Yet why is
this still legal, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT AND WILL NEVER TRUELY OWN THE ITEM.

B. It allows a player to more quickly reach a certain goal (like unlock a character in League of Legends) then if that player would grind up unlock points.

If EVE ever got this kind of system, I'd LEAVE and never come back. EVE is not about BUYING your way into a better ship.
Buying a plex and then selling it on the market is one thing. Buying a improved version of a ship, or an implant, or a
booster, or god forbid actual SKILLPOINTS from a RMT cash shop would be the worst change CCP could ever implement into the
game. It would spell the end of EVE.

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:13:00 - [905]
 

You're all misunderstanding the POINT of vanity items.
They're for your vanity.
Which means that if they're ubiquitous, then they're worthless.
You need to have really expensive vanity items, just to rub salt in the wounds of the worthless scrubs you're upstaging.

dreynerex
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:15:00 - [906]
 

Obviously CCP is trying to turn EVE into Second Life and while they're at it why not charge ridiculous prices for fancy clothes and useless things like monocles?Now for that isk one could you know actually play internet spaceships instead of watching his character spin around in a crapy half lit room.
After several years of playing this i think emphasis should be on flying in space improving its quality and not this joke.

Larik Olen
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:15:00 - [907]
 

Originally by: Beor0d
You don't like it? Then don't buy it!
You think it is to expensive? Don't buy it!
Monocles doesn't fit your hair color? Don't buy it!

When will people stop whining about things they don't even buy.

BTW: You can buy PLEX on the market so its actually not even $80, just some PLEX


I'm not even gonna start on the impressively flawed logic of your last statement. As to the 'don't buy it' response, you're right - I won't be. But at some point in the future (like, when we've got more than one room to walk around in) I might change my mind. If prices remain at this level the entire thing will be a colossal failure; if I ever were to change my mind I sure as hell wouldn't be paying more for a pixel shirt than I would for a real-life shirt.

If nothing else, this speaks volumes about CCP's lack of understanding, not just regarding the vast majority of the eve playerbase (after all the MT rage, they really thought that charging more than a Dreadnaught for a single monocle would be ok? Or a month's sub or more for a skirt?!), but to the reality of the microtransaction model they're attempting to emulate. MT's work best when they are small enough to provoke impulse purchases ('its only a few quid, what the hell') in games/systems where there is no or almost no up-front fee model.

Players of F2P games are more likely to buy MT items as they're not already paying for a subscription - to make MT work alongside an existing subscription model means setting MT prices low enough so that people don't feel they're 'paying twice', and also low enough in terms of comparable price to other 'items' (MT or not) which may be bought in game. You cannot seriously tell me that the monocle should hold the same isk value as a Dread (to use that example), no matter how 'complex the technology is', or whatever lame excuse was trotted out in the help channel - or a month's subscription. Because those comparisons exist, be it Dread or month's sub, not to mention the fact that RL clothing is actually cheaper, rage is inevitable.

The fact that CCP are forging blissfully ahead in the face of huge player anger and an obviously flawed understanding of how the MT model could be applied to EVE is the most frightening thing imo. I live in a WH and could care less about shirts - all this patch means to me really is new turret gfx - but I do care that CCP seem intent on ruining a new 'feature' before it's barely out of the door.

Halaster Blackcloak
SEA FRIENDS
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:16:00 - [908]
 

i rather buy a vindicator, i heard they can pretty much solo the tournament

Tanaka Kharn
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:17:00 - [909]
 

2nd only to boot.ini? On CCP failscale ?

Pneumon Blaster
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation
THE R0NIN
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:18:00 - [910]
 

this is just joke

Seako
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:20:00 - [911]
 


Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:20:00 - [912]
 

31 pages and no CCP reply Shocked

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:21:00 - [913]
 

cross-post... / i gave it some thought.

If you cant afford it dont buy it simple.

I find it extremely amusing that people call bull**** on the choice of price those vanity items, are basically the one who wanted it that way. Calling out for bad concept of micro-transactions etc. Here you are you got macro ultra transaction model for those who can afford it, with no addition to gameplay.

Your dream come true.

For those who wanted it to be micro-transaction as an addition to lets say or let go Role Play style. I am sorry.

Nilania Telshua
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:21:00 - [914]
 

Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 22/06/2011 11:24:22
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
This will be the most ignored threadnought ever, and for good reason, cause CCP is not interested in catering to trolls.



Yeah because in Public Relations there is this golden rule,
which says:

Ignoring your stakeholders is a good thing...

Before you start to argue that 900+ voices are just a part of the playerbase,
be so kind to remember that this part seems to be very activist,
very vocal and are therefore likely to be opinion leaders in their social circles in game.

Every person in this thread multiplies his/her opinion to quite a few more.

If you noticed by the way the ****storm is not only raging in this thread,
but in the majority of feedback threads on the forums.

I have never in all my years in EVE seen something close to this
nearly univocal negativity and agressiveness as response to an expansion.


Originally by: James Lyrus
You're all misunderstanding the POINT of vanity items.
...
You need to have really expensive vanity items,
just to rub salt in the wounds of the worthless scrubs you're upstaging.


So vanity means the wish to be humiliated,
because the only reaction that someone wearing an $80 pixel-monocle will get is laughter and
lots and lots of grief when it appears on a killmail.

Edward Olmops
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:22:00 - [915]
 

C'mon folks!

Don't be so mad and cheer up a bit. Surely you don't have considered the upside of this whole thing:

with those monocles, we can easily identify those who are filthy rich and a bit ******ed. :-D
Ideal targets for the scam of the week!

Xterea
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:24:00 - [916]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
So, CCP isn't greedy at all eh?


I think that making products dramatically overpriced does not help you much if you are greedy, it reduces profits. Confused

Velani Askiras
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 - [917]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
cross-post... / i gave it some thought.

If you cant afford it dont buy it simple.

I find it extremely amusing that people call bull**** on the choice of price those vanity items, are basically the one who wanted it that way. Calling out for bad concept of micro-transactions etc. Here you are you got macro ultra transaction model for those who can afford it, with no addition to gameplay.

Your dream come true.

For those who wanted it to be micro-transaction as an addition to lets say or let go Role Play style. I am sorry.


let's just call it MEGA-transactions from now on...

Ludacrys
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 - [918]
 

PLEX prices take a dive in 3...2...1...

Kronir
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:26:00 - [919]
 

Just for a laugh:

A Google Search for Internet content from the past 24hrs: "Eve Online Monocle"

Hitomi Fargazer
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:27:00 - [920]
 

Originally by: Beor0d

BTW: You can buy PLEX on the market so its actually not even $80, just some PLEX


but it is... every plex on the market has been paid for with real money by someone

Arcathra
Minmatar
Technodyne Ltd.
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:30:00 - [921]
 

Edited by: Arcathra on 22/06/2011 11:30:45
Don't really want to rage about this, but if CCP really wants to make money with their macrotransactions, they should lower the price drastically.

I'm against the whole item shop idea, but for reasonable prices I might even buy something. I always thought the SOE EQ2 Marketplace is very high priced, but the Noble Exchange beats it by far. And the NEX-Items even look worse than the standard clothes our characters have... lol.

Syme
Gallente
Umbra Scientia Muneris
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:31:00 - [922]
 

Originally by: Futile Rhetoric
Originally by: Syme
Ok so a lot of people donít seem to understand retail marketing.

Clearly, the point of retail marketing is to enrage your customers. Yes. I am glad someone understands it.

It's funny, every single argument I've seen so far in favour of this travesty is quasi-academic. One would almost be inclined to think the people defending CCP in this matter are autistic or something.


Perhaps it is because we arenít emotionally incontinent and like to engage our brains before spewing bile all over the forums.

Rather than using a fashion analogy I should point out how Nvidia and ATI do things. Do they bring out their low end cards when they release a new range, or do they initially bring out their best performers (at prices I choke over) to capture those gamers who regularly change their cards? CCP are just doing the same.

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:33:00 - [923]
 

The clothes I'm wearing irl are cheaper than buying clothes for my toon.....

Exus
Die Trying
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:34:00 - [924]
 

I couldnt just resist to support this thread.
Price for these fancy pixels are just utterly unbelievable...

You aint selling RL stuff CCP, you are selling PIXELS !
Which are clearly cheaper that what you think...

You may have the older player population (age) but these ARE NOT the right prices for what you offer.
Never, ever.

Ethan Blacknova
Gallente
Perkele Mining Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:36:00 - [925]
 

Adding my voice.

These prices are INSANE!

Holy christ on a crutch!


Look, this is horrifically overpriced garbage.

How about you do something intelligent, CCP and add a zero.


1 Plex = 35,000 Aurum.



One zero.



150,000 Happier people.



Maybe these much happier people will buy 1 plex each at that price.



150,000 x 1 Plex (19.95 Euro) = 2,992,500 Euros!



Three million euros!


I want to spend money on Incarna, but because of your batsh*t insane pricing I can't.

Do us a favour.

The Hardman
Amarr
Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:37:00 - [926]
 

CCP just needed to show Hydra who is boss.

Reloadin
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:37:00 - [927]
 

Edited by: Reloadin on 22/06/2011 11:39:46
This item that I simply must have is so expensive!

Drop the prices CCP, and then go have a talk with Ferrari while you're at it.

It's kind of funny, first there's all the crying about MT and selling things for Aurum to make a quick buck. Then they go and price some exclusive vanity items so that not everyone and their dog can afford them and it's "Are you serious CCP dont you care about making a profit?".

Ospie
Ransom and Kill
Core.Impulse
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:37:00 - [928]
 

Originally by: Ay Liz
31 pages and no CCP reply Shocked



^ This

TBH I think the prices are absurd, it's not just insulting to the average player (who won't pay these prices), but even from a financial point of view it's ridiculous. If they lowered the prices to 1/10 of what they are now they would end up making more profit than the current insane prices -.-

I can only hope, although I know these prices probably were intentional, that this was a mistake.

Ender sup
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:39:00 - [929]
 

"In a bizarre twist, many of the clothing options for sale at the Noble Exchange actually cost more than real clothes of the same type."

CCP..

News flash: CCP will also offer your character the chance of going to college for the meager sum of 700.000 aurum.

Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:40:00 - [930]
 

Hahahahahahaha

micro transactions lol

Anyway guys, keep in mind scamming is legal in eve and apparently CCP likes to lead by example..


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