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Shereza
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:55:00 - [661]
 

Edited by: Shereza on 22/06/2011 05:55:27
Originally by: Chewiest Bong
The point is that even if you spend ISK to get a plex to convert to AUR, someone along the line somewhere paid CCP that 15 dollars and they're pocketing money at your expense -- frankly, it's insulting. I just have CCP charge my card directly and that's the end of it.


Right, but my issue goes back to the "back and forth" comment which, to me, implied back and forth transactions for the actual cash value, not the derived cash value. I was curious if someone had found a legal method of converting isk to cash since I live on a fixed income with low operating costs so earning an extra $30-45/month would be nice. Wink

Edit: If that's not the case and you either misspoke or tried to emphasize a different aspect then so be it, I was just trying to clear it up.

Frodrich Adoudel
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:55:00 - [662]
 

I just cancelled my two aco****s. I never bought a plex, had direct game time subscriptions.

I suspect that this is what happened:
1) PLEX came out.
2) PLEX sold like crazy.
3) CCP raked in the dough.
4) PLEX sold like crazy.
5) Some CCP accountant looked at the company growth stats and said "woo hoo!"
6) PLEX sold like crazy.
7) They hired a ton of new people and started working on more projects.
8) PLEX stopped selling like crazy. In fact, subscriptions are down because people flooded the market with plex.
9) CCP is still spending like crazy because the asshat accountants didnt think that the in-game economy could impact CCP IRL economy.
10) PLEX still arent selling, because a) gold farmers and b) tons of plex in game to buy so why pay real money?
11) CCP hasnt cut back on spending, in fact, because of the asshat accountant, they are still spending like their income is still at step 4 of this list.
12) CCP asshat accountant realized that he screwed up, and that the original PLEX surge was temporary, and that it was not a permanent increase in company income. But the company, like all corporate structures, is not designed to shrink.
13) They come up with fancy clothing for IRL money, create a semi-plausible link to the game merket, and hope that people buy AUR like they did with PLEX.
14) The reality sets in, CCP has to fire half its dust dev team in 6-18 months.
15) Membership keeps shrinking because other companies have finally gotten off their asses and created decent sci-fi mmorpg games.
16) CCP dies.

COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:56:00 - [663]
 

Edited by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE on 22/06/2011 05:56:42
Originally by: Frodrich Adoudel
I just cancelled my two aco****s. I never bought a plex, had direct game time subscriptions.

I suspect that this is what happened:
1) PLEX came out.
2) PLEX sold like crazy.
3) CCP raked in the dough.
4) PLEX sold like crazy.
5) Some CCP accountant looked at the company growth stats and said "woo hoo!"
6) PLEX sold like crazy.
7) They hired a ton of new people and started working on more projects.
8) PLEX stopped selling like crazy. In fact, subscriptions are down because people flooded the market with plex.
9) CCP is still spending like crazy because the asshat accountants didnt think that the in-game economy could impact CCP IRL economy.
10) PLEX still arent selling, because a) gold farmers and b) tons of plex in game to buy so why pay real money?
11) CCP hasnt cut back on spending, in fact, because of the asshat accountant, they are still spending like their income is still at step 4 of this list.
12) CCP asshat accountant realized that he screwed up, and that the original PLEX surge was temporary, and that it was not a permanent increase in company income. But the company, like all corporate structures, is not designed to shrink.
13) They come up with fancy clothing for IRL money, create a semi-plausible link to the game merket, and hope that people buy AUR like they did with PLEX.
14) The reality sets in, CCP has to fire half its dust dev team in 6-18 months.
15) Membership keeps shrinking because other companies have finally gotten off their asses and created decent sci-fi mmorpg games.
16) CCP dies.


please send me all your stuff and isk thanks in advance

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:59:00 - [664]
 

Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

please send me all your stuff and isk thanks in advance



Please send me your joke book, cause it's full of originals.

COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:00:00 - [665]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

please send me all your stuff and isk thanks in advance



Please send me your joke book, cause it's full of originals.


what jokes i just ask for stuff? *snip* Please refrain from insults. Spitfire

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:01:00 - [666]
 

Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

what jokes i just ask for stuff? do you have downs?



No Why? Do you need friends at your level?

COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:04:00 - [667]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

what jokes i just ask for stuff? do you have downs?



No Why? Do you need friends at your level?


oh don't lie to me boy, im so sorry for you it is a terrible disease.

can i have your stuff and isk?

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:05:00 - [668]
 

I really lol'ed when a corpmate quoted me those prices.

That's a delayed April fool I guess.

Korah Arnelle
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:07:00 - [669]
 

Originally by: Seleene
NO, the final prices of this stuff was NOT discussed with the CSM. When we asked, they were "still researching that" and "no final decisions" had been made. Razz


Why should they have to ask you guys for an MT analysis when the MT industry is about a decade old? They have a regular revenue stream for both coding development and price point analysis. They don't need your input on the final price if they actually take the time to hire experts from their budget. I'm sorry for being terse, it just smacks me of complete amateurish drivel on their part. I'm no expert on MT, but I can quite a bit from my experience of playing in many MT games (from Asian cashshop MMOs to Secondlife and IMVU). And I can say they never hired a single soul to give them prices or how to decide the MT ratios.

Seriously, CCP, get their heads out of unnamed orifices and hire expertise if you have none. >_>

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:07:00 - [670]
 

Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

oh don't lie to me boy, im so sorry for you it is a terrible disease.

can i have your stuff and isk?


I'm sorry all the short bus kids beat you up when you were in high school. But that's not an excuse to not know the difference between a disease and a genetic abnormality. But considering the source, it is understandable.

Lelob
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:08:00 - [671]
 

Edited by: Lelob on 22/06/2011 06:08:52
Apparently CCP's plan for stabilizing PLEX will be to push the price to 1/2 a bil with monocles. Lovely

COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:09:00 - [672]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

oh don't lie to me boy, im so sorry for you it is a terrible disease.

can i have your stuff and isk?


I'm sorry all the short bus kids beat you up when you were in high school. But that's not an excuse to not know the difference between a disease and a genetic abnormality. But considering the source, it is understandable.


yea im sorry i don't know so much about your genetic abnormality. How do you life with it?

Will Cenn
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:10:00 - [673]
 

Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 06:12:13
Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 06:10:50
Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 06:10:25
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

what jokes i just ask for stuff? do you have downs?



No Why? Do you need friends at your level?

Lol, Well done sir, quality.

The funniest thing is he keeps coming back for more.



Ok, I can take it if it was an accident. I can also take it if it was an 'accident'. But I can not bend over for these prices. l/4 of the price would still be extortionate.

I like the concept, I like getting my character to look just right and I don't think a game should be limited (only inspired) by it's genre. I have no problem with microtransactions. Those who want more can pay CCP for their time and effort, it is the basis of our capitalist society. It is fair. What is not fair is paying around 70 dollars my price, almost twice the price I can get some new release ENTIRE games for, for a monocle.

There is nothing micro about these transactions at all.

Silver Night
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:11:00 - [674]
 

If the AU prices stay the same, it should actually exert a downward pressure on PLEX prices, as people who had stockpiled dump them when no one is buying them to get items with.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:11:00 - [675]
 

Don't go mad about it, guys.
I was thinking about buying an item or two here and there, but with those prices - not a chance.
Don't buy a thing and you'll see how the prices will go down.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:12:00 - [676]
 

Apparently this bears some repeating:

Seriously, CCP Bizdev have you guys not learned your lesson yet? I'll spell it out for you in short 1-syllable words, real simple, just for you:

DOES YOUR GREAT IDEA DIRECTLY DO STUFF TO EVE PLAYERS?

RUN YOUR GREAT IDEA PAST THE CSM.

IF THEY SAY THAT THERE WILL BE RAGE THEN IT COULD BE THAT YOUR IDEA IS VERY BAD AND YOU SHOULD FIX IT.

THE CSM WILL HELP YOU FIX YOUR BAD IDEA.

THEN YOUR BAD IDEA WILL BE LESS BAD OR IT MIGHT EVEN BE GOOD WHO KNOWS?

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:12:00 - [677]
 

Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

yea im sorry i don't know so much about your genetic abnormality. How do you life with it?


Ya know, if you're going to try and do the turn-speak thing, you gotta get in there with a good angle, try again. This time let's see if you can graduate from the play ground and give us all a real insight into your brilliance.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:14:00 - [678]
 

Originally by: Will Cenn

The funniest thing is he keeps coming back for more.



His parents forgot the pork chop and the dog isn't home.

Uglavitch Nefrex
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:17:00 - [679]
 

Edited by: Uglavitch Nefrex on 22/06/2011 06:17:33
Just logged in to find the most hideous prices on the items in the store. Good luck with your minimal sales, and get a grip!

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:17:00 - [680]
 

I guess I'm one of the few who are not completely outraged. And it's not because I have unlimited amounts of real life money or ISK. I do think it's an attemp to balance things. Before incursion, I had to work pretty hard to make enough isk in a month to plex a single toon. Get in the right fleet, and I can plex two in a weekend.

Keep in mind that there are players to whom billions of isk are actually microtransactions. It's just a matter of perspective. I bet the Hydra Reloaded team is swimming in bling, and I don't think it's unreasonable to demand high prices for new products. Why would you want the monocle if everyone already has it. The prices create the demand. I'd bet all this stuff is selling like wildfire.

I mean, the demand is obviously there. All the tears in this thread demonstrate that. But not everyone gets to have the pricey stuff. So what? I sure as heck can't afford a single thing up for sale. But I want it. Maybe I'll play a bit more so I can afford to play for free and buy what's going to probably be more expensive plex in the long run.

But this is really a balancing act for ccp. The ideal situation is to have the maximum number of people paying to play (plexing your toon is paying, btw. someone paid for CCP for that plex) with the minimum number of people online at any given time, so long as you don't dip below an attractive universe population threshold.

Incursion made it to easy to make too much isk too fast, and universe pop dropped. That's my guess, anyway. This is an attempt to rebalance that as much as it is to get rid of some of the overabundant plex out of the system. There is no way ccp can allow plex to get to commodity level prices.

The economic impact is that a) the price of plex will go up as they get spent by the extremely wealthy, b) prices in the noble market will go down over time. This isn't ultimately a move against the poor. This is a vanity tax on the rich because the early adopters will not be able to sell their stuff at the price they invested. So at least in that sense, it's an isk sink.

And c) at least for the time being ccp will have more players online working longer to play for free. The economics of the situation are fairly complex, but I can't really fault the guys in charge for trying to maintain a balance.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong. That happens too sometimes.

~Tron Flux

COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:17:00 - [681]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

yea im sorry i don't know so much about your genetic abnormality. How do you life with it?


Ya know, if you're going to try and do the turn-speak thing, you gotta get in there with a good angle, try again. This time let's see if you can graduate from the play ground and give us all a real insight into your brilliance.


If you don't want to talk about your miserable life its totally ok. You are a Special kid!

jowming
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:18:00 - [682]
 

wow i was running a bunch of missions and stuff to get a plex this week for this crap.

now i will just stick it on my account for another 30 day sub and save me 15 dollars.

this is crazy the same thing happened to global agenda.that game sucked but still micro or macro transactions ruin games.

used to be if there was a bug you got a extra map or something for the devolopers screw up now look what you get nothing.

man i feel old thinking about all the free stuff game devolopers used to give us was nice and made me want to buy games from them, and get my freinds to buy there games. now with the way the game industry is going i have not gotten a game in about 6 months.

and i dont think i even will bother to get a game for the next few years if they dont stop all this microtransaction crap and item shops.

look at dragon age and all those other games everyone is *****ing out now days.

Si'Andregal Grungolash
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:19:00 - [683]
 

CCP do you have NO sense of value?

Ketria Saine
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:19:00 - [684]
 

I am a new player. Once the NEX was in place I was going to buy a couple of PLEX with GBP and convert them to AUR to spend there.

Now I have seen the prices of items, I am not going to bother. I am very disappointed in CCP's apparent need to price these items at a level that puts them out of reach of many players who do not have the ISK to buy PLEX in-game, let alone want to spend them.

Will we end up with a two-tier EVE? The haves and have-nots? I hope not.

CCP needs to either adjust the ISK/AUR exchange rate, or drastically lower the NEX prices. I would like to think this may happen once more items are available, but I'm not holding my breath.

"Give me monocles or give me death!"? At the moment, I'll take death, thanks. Sad

Silver Night
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:21:00 - [685]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
I guess I'm one of the few who are not completely outraged. And it's not because I have unlimited amounts of real life money or ISK. I do think it's an attemp to balance things. Before incursion, I had to work pretty hard to make enough isk in a month to plex a single toon. Get in the right fleet, and I can plex two in a weekend.

Keep in mind that there are players to whom billions of isk are actually microtransactions. It's just a matter of perspective. I bet the Hydra Reloaded team is swimming in bling, and I don't think it's unreasonable to demand high prices for new products. Why would you want the monocle if everyone already has it. The prices create the demand. I'd bet all this stuff is selling like wildfire.

I mean, the demand is obviously there. All the tears in this thread demonstrate that. But not everyone gets to have the pricey stuff. So what? I sure as heck can't afford a single thing up for sale. But I want it. Maybe I'll play a bit more so I can afford to play for free and buy what's going to probably be more expensive plex in the long run.

But this is really a balancing act for ccp. The ideal situation is to have the maximum number of people paying to play (plexing your toon is paying, btw. someone paid for CCP for that plex) with the minimum number of people online at any given time, so long as you don't dip below an attractive universe population threshold.

Incursion made it to easy to make too much isk too fast, and universe pop dropped. That's my guess, anyway. This is an attempt to rebalance that as much as it is to get rid of some of the overabundant plex out of the system. There is no way ccp can allow plex to get to commodity level prices.

The economic impact is that a) the price of plex will go up as they get spent by the extremely wealthy, b) prices in the noble market will go down over time. This isn't ultimately a move against the poor. This is a vanity tax on the rich because the early adopters will not be able to sell their stuff at the price they invested. So at least in that sense, it's an isk sink.

And c) at least for the time being ccp will have more players online working longer to play for free. The economics of the situation are fairly complex, but I can't really fault the guys in charge for trying to maintain a balance.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong. That happens too sometimes.

~Tron Flux


I don't think all - perhaps not even a majority - of the players who are unhappy with this are ones who are saying that it's too expensive because they can't afford it. A lot of us, I believe, just feels it's too expensive full stop. It's too expensive for players to be happy with it, and more crucially it may be too expensive for CCP to make much money off of it.

I have plenty of ISK, but it's very unlikely I will be buying many vanity items for 1.4B isk when there are far more useful things I could do with that money - even in the realm of buying expensive things to show off.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:21:00 - [686]
 

Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

If you don't want to talk about your miserable life its totally ok. You are a Special kid!


Nope nope, you've just not got the knack for it I guess. Just repeating the same banal idea over and over again doesn't get you anywhere, in fact, in this case, just serves reinforce my first comment to you about how dreadfully unoriginal you are. Try again.

COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:25:00 - [687]
 

Inappropriate comment removed. Spitfire

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:26:00 - [688]
 

Originally by: Ketria Saine
I am a new player. Once the NEX was in place I was going to buy a couple of PLEX with GBP and convert them to AUR to spend there.

Now I have seen the prices of items, I am not going to bother. I am very disappointed in CCP's apparent need to price these items at a level that puts them out of reach of many players who do not have the ISK to buy PLEX in-game, let alone want to spend them.

Will we end up with a two-tier EVE? The haves and have-nots? I hope not.

CCP needs to either adjust the ISK/AUR exchange rate, or drastically lower the NEX prices. I would like to think this may happen once more items are available, but I'm not holding my breath.

"Give me monocles or give me death!"? At the moment, I'll take death, thanks. Sad


As long as those are boots, monocles and stripper poles that divide between havs and have nots I couldn't care less. But you know what is coming - special ships, special ammo, special boosters and special modules. I'm sure BizDev team already has them in plans. When that happens - bye bye Eve. Who would like to play a P2Win game?

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:28:00 - [689]
 

Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE

Don't deny your heritage, blame your parents for inbreding. One day you will be loved (maybe by some men in an underground toilet), so keep up the posting kid.


How do you know there are men in some nasty stanky ol underground toilet, do you frequent those sorts of places often?

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:30:00 - [690]
 

Originally by: Estephania

As long as those are boots, monocles and stripper poles that divide between havs and have nots I couldn't care less. But you know what is coming - special ships, special ammo, special boosters and special modules. I'm sure BizDev team already has them in plans. When that happens - bye bye Eve. Who would like to play a P2Win game?


Sadly likely. There's already been an assembly hall thread about special stuff. Sooner or later a few clowns that buy this stuff will loose it and make the argument that it should give some special thing considering how much it costs compared to some other thing, and CCP will have their 'player wanted' justification for it.


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