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Ioci
Gallente
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:24:00 - [181]
 

Considering the only reason we had Dominion was to get IHubs at planets, this is really just Dominion Chapter II.

Andrew Rothschild
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:31:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Up to dominion stupid people complained about there being too much focus on added content, and that CCP should focus more on fixing bugs. Now the same stupid people are complaining about lack of new content and too much focus on fixing bugs.

CCP, stop reading the forums and employ moderators that simply refunds the subscription of whiners and remove their accounts.


^ This.

LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:34:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Landlady
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
You pay 15$/ to play EVE in the first place. A part of the money is used to make expansions. Therefore you pay for them. Also about your 7 course dinner: That's not really something you can compare. You paid for it, you're not getting anything for free and expect quality.


Show us all another mainstream MMO that allows you to just have the expansions for the normal monthly subscription fee. Can't? I rest my case. When put into context, you are getting the expansion for free. Period.


Sorry Luna Serp, Khefira is right on this one. You pay for the expansion, you just don't shell out $40 all at once to do it. They pay for the development out of the money they make from EVE. You pay for the expansion indirectly, it isn't as though CCP sets up a charity on the side who works free to produce expansions. Different business models than other MMOs, but the same end result.


You have to agree about what? Fact: Eve does not charge extra for expansions. We all pay the same regardless. Fact: ALL other mainstream MMOs charge for expansions beyond the normal monthly subscription which is used also for paying for servers, electricity, staff..etc. You must be one ****ty Landlady if this whole concept is beyond you....

Sorry, you are both wrong.

Alexis Frain
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:44:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: Alexis Frain on 21/06/2011 21:43:56
Autopatcher is online. We've been told to begin the process.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532385

(sorry, I don't do real links for security.)

Sampledjoker
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:51:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Khefira
Edited by: Khefira on 21/06/2011 19:22:26
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

Show us all another mainstream MMO that allows you to just have the expansions for the normal monthly subscription fee. Can't? I rest my case. When put into context, you are getting the expansion for free. Period.


When put into context? No, i just checked, CCP is still charging 15$.
The only MMO I'm familiar with is WOW. They are charging for expansions, yes. But you can't compare those to EVE. WOW expansions focus on content for players who reached the level cap. CCP tries to make their playerbase larger. Larger playerbase means more money from subscriptions, so they are getting both their money with new expansions.

Also mainstream MMOs that do charge nothing for expansions:
-Runescape (F2P)
-Everquest (P2P)

I'm sure there are more. Just two examples, should be enough to prove my point.


Everquest expansions DO cost money. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Reteris
Caldari
Eaglewrath Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:53:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Sampledjoker
Originally by: Khefira
Edited by: Khefira on 21/06/2011 19:22:26
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

Show us all another mainstream MMO that allows you to just have the expansions for the normal monthly subscription fee. Can't? I rest my case. When put into context, you are getting the expansion for free. Period.


When put into context? No, i just checked, CCP is still charging 15$.
The only MMO I'm familiar with is WOW. They are charging for expansions, yes. But you can't compare those to EVE. WOW expansions focus on content for players who reached the level cap. CCP tries to make their playerbase larger. Larger playerbase means more money from subscriptions, so they are getting both their money with new expansions.

Also mainstream MMOs that do charge nothing for expansions:
-Runescape (F2P)
-Everquest (P2P)

I'm sure there are more. Just two examples, should be enough to prove my point.


Everquest expansions DO cost money. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.


Don't I know it. EQ expansions were expensive from the viewpoint of a 13 year old. lol.

Sampledjoker
Posted - 2011.06.21 22:01:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Reteris
Originally by: Sampledjoker
Originally by: Khefira
Edited by: Khefira on 21/06/2011 19:22:26
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

Show us all another mainstream MMO that allows you to just have the expansions for the normal monthly subscription fee. Can't? I rest my case. When put into context, you are getting the expansion for free. Period.


When put into context? No, i just checked, CCP is still charging 15$.
The only MMO I'm familiar with is WOW. They are charging for expansions, yes. But you can't compare those to EVE. WOW expansions focus on content for players who reached the level cap. CCP tries to make their playerbase larger. Larger playerbase means more money from subscriptions, so they are getting both their money with new expansions.

Also mainstream MMOs that do charge nothing for expansions:
-Runescape (F2P)
-Everquest (P2P)

I'm sure there are more. Just two examples, should be enough to prove my point.


Everquest expansions DO cost money. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.


Don't I know it. EQ expansions were expensive from the viewpoint of a 13 year old. lol.


No kidding man. Especially when they started releasing half-assed expansions like Gates of Discord or ones that ruined the game like Planes of Power.

Those early years were the greatest. Sony messes everything up.

But I digress...

Jay Hadah
Posted - 2011.06.21 22:08:00 - [188]
 

This is the first step to Eve online going free to play. The industry has already proven that the only way for a MMORPG company to sustain itself in the current market is to go free to play and sell all good items for RL money. The biggest hurdle CCP is now facing is that once they do announce the game is free to play how do you handle the influx of users onto a single server system. It's just a matter of time before CCP announce that Eveonline has gone free to play, how else can they justify Dust 514 on PS3 when PS3 users will not have to pay to play there game.
I like the new upgrade, CCP has finally acknowledge the fact that people want to have immersion of character in their MMORPG. Up until now the learning curve and the gameplay were enough. Now that eve is becoming mainstream and will be introduced to the consule marketplace CCP will need to improve immersion for the drop in age group and maturity that will have to occur when consule players flood into Eve after there introduction to the game by Dust 514. CCP's sell out to SOE is probably the worst move they could have made from a dedicated PC MMORPG market. SOE will buy Eve from CCP and it will be SWG all over again.

Antarra Starwind
Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Mightylink
When I quit WoW to join EVE, I didn't realize I brought the community with me... seriously I thought people where better here v_v


They used to be...It also begs the question, at which demographic is all this non-spaceship content aimed, exactly?

CANHAZNAMECHANGE
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:04:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Jay Hadah
SOE will buy Eve from CCP and it will be SWG all over again.

Yea. I can see it now.

Quote:
Hi Sony, We don't feel like making 32 million USD a month anymore. Want our game?


That translates to about $4,949,732,773 ISK a month.

Lyrrashae
Minmatar
Crushed Ambitions
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:32:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
I think it is repulsive that you ****ing humans complain when you are given something for nothing. If you don't like the new features, DON'T ****ING USE THEM. They are not taking anything away from anyone...simply adding more.

Is it more that you babies feel like your not as good at life because somebody in a game has an item that you don't have?


"You're," not "your." Insulting people carries more weight when you can demonstrate a mastery of 3rd grade English composition.

But seriously now:

What will it take to make idiots like you FINALLY get it through their f***ing heads that, after your trial-account lapses and is upgraded to "paid subscription" status, then from that instant, nothing in or of this game is "free?"

Not "initially-to-subscribe," and not "in-universe;"

NOTHING.
IN/OF EVE.
IS FREE.


Gods, what is so f***ing hard about this?Rolling Eyes

Are you one of those scrubs who undercuts modules, munitions, and ships on the market by umpty-hundred percent because the minerals you mined yourself were "free," too?

Gods, I remember when the EVE community was at least semi-intelligent, not functionally-illiterate, and somewhat articulate.

Oh, and CCP (Credibility Completely P155ed-away)...Yeah:

Be careful what you wish for--you may get it, if you haven't already.Wink

Slatiska Wolfovna
Posted - 2011.06.23 02:41:00 - [192]
 

Back on topic: yeah Incarna is the worst expansion ever :D

Nakedandfearless
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.23 03:34:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Antarra Starwind
Originally by: Mightylink
When I quit WoW to join EVE, I didn't realize I brought the community with me... seriously I thought people where better here v_v


No, CCP just bought WOW/SIMS/2nd Life to you

They used to be...It also begs the question, at which demographic is all this non-spaceship content aimed, exactly?


So True!

Jo Blot
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:29:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

Put it back into the context of the post I was replying to and then try again.

Not everyone plays Eve and utilizes every aspect of the game. That does not mean the game is ruined by the other aspects that are out there that they just so happen to not care for. I pay $14 a month for the parts of Eve I enjoy playing, why would I give a **** if they added more content that I didn't care for as long as it does not take away from the content I do care for? Anyone who does care is simply just stupid.


If you weren't so wrapped up in yourself and your $14 dollars you might start to appreciate that it's the players that make Eve what it is and it is in your best interest that they continue to do so. But what should you care? If everybody left and you had New Eden all to yourself wouldn't it be great! You'd have won the game.


General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:31:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Syn Fatelyng
Quote:
If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life
The in-game vanity items are purchased with a in-game currency that is obtained via PLEX. Real life cash does not have to be involved.


If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people?

Jo Blot
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:46:00 - [196]
 

Edited by: Jo Blot on 23/06/2011 19:47:36
Originally by: Tyr Kurvora

You have no idea what you're talking about. Go do research before you post again. People in the US pay $14.95 per month, that's 10 Euros. Which means Europeans have to pay 5 Euros more than us. Gotta love being American.


It means that CCP prefer Euro that's all. The only reason you are paying less at the moment is because your precious US dollar has lost around 50% of it's value since CCP artificially set the exchange rate at parity.

That will soon change. Given the direction of CCP's quest for revenue growth it is ludicrous in the extreme to expect they will adjust their EURUSD rates in favour of giving a discount on the Euro price. So you can look forward in the near future to a large subscription hike to compensate CCP for all the value they lost by holding dollars.

At the moment EUans are subsidizing you. Does that make you proud?

For myself, having a little RL experience of international finance, I use an exchange rate arbitrage strategy to get the lowest subscription fees of all. I pay from an account domiciled in Switzerland, which is not in the EU so I get charged in dollars. Now, the Swiss Franc is just about the strongest currency in the world, especially in times of crisis, and as a result the USDCHF exchange rate as collapsed to record lows.
So i pay about 12.56 CHF at the moment whereas I used to pay 18. Not a bad discount, thanks to the collapsing USD. I've heard that in some hotels in Geneva they are offering guests the option to have freshly-minted dollar bills instead of toilet paper, which I understand is very popular (and cheaper for the hotel, since toilet paper is currently more expensive than dollar bills here).



Nuela
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:28:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Jo Blot
Edited by: Jo Blot on 23/06/2011 19:47:36
Originally by: Tyr Kurvora

You have no idea what you're talking about. Go do research before you post again. People in the US pay $14.95 per month, that's 10 Euros. Which means Europeans have to pay 5 Euros more than us. Gotta love being American.


It means that CCP prefer Euro that's all. The only reason you are paying less at the moment is because your precious US dollar has lost around 50% of it's value since CCP artificially set the exchange rate at parity.

That will soon change. Given the direction of CCP's quest for revenue growth it is ludicrous in the extreme to expect they will adjust their EURUSD rates in favour of giving a discount on the Euro price. So you can look forward in the near future to a large subscription hike to compensate CCP for all the value they lost by holding dollars.

At the moment EUans are subsidizing you. Does that make you proud?

For myself, having a little RL experience of international finance, I use an exchange rate arbitrage strategy to get the lowest subscription fees of all. I pay from an account domiciled in Switzerland, which is not in the EU so I get charged in dollars. Now, the Swiss Franc is just about the strongest currency in the world, especially in times of crisis, and as a result the USDCHF exchange rate as collapsed to record lows.
So i pay about 12.56 CHF at the moment whereas I used to pay 18. Not a bad discount, thanks to the collapsing USD. I've heard that in some hotels in Geneva they are offering guests the option to have freshly-minted dollar bills instead of toilet paper, which I understand is very popular (and cheaper for the hotel, since toilet paper is currently more expensive than dollar bills here).





Yea...the U.S. dollar is on a quest to have parity with the Japanese Yen :(. It also sucks to be paid in U.S. dollars :( :(

However, the dollar weakening doesn't mean CCP can raise their rates for the U.S. The market is not dictated on what you think you should be charging because of fairness...it is dictated by what the market will accept. The current charge CCP does for Eve is in line with other MMORPG games here in the U.S. so raising rates will price them out of the market.

CCP probably has to just accept the low U.S. dollar or leave the U.S. market.

As for CCP having parity between Euro and dollar when they set this up...if I was a Euro that would **** me off all to hell. However, it seems to be the norm in business. My company does business in Europe and we charge the same rate in Europe that we do in the U.S. just in Euros...which means European clients are charged 50% more.


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