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LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:59:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Khefira
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Many consider Red Moon Rising as one of the best expansions, but they were either not around when the patch was deployed or have forgotten what happened. TQ was offline for a day and when the server came online, it was practically unplayable, with horrible lag, even in empty systems. Not to mention, that EVE had more bugs then Klendathu after the release. It took CCP a week to fix the expansion into something that could be enjoyed.


People these days are just whiney little ****s that don't have the slightest idea what it takes to make something like Eve happen and to keep it happening for years.

Not one person in here could create something like Eve, let alone any product that is perfect that nobody would complain about.

I think it is repulsive that you ****ing humans complain when you are given something for nothing. If you don't like the new features, DON'T ****ING USE THEM. They are not taking anything away from anyone...simply adding more.

Is it more that you babies feel like your not as good at life because somebody in a game has an item that you don't have?


Wow, you sure are mad as hell. Also you should finally get it. EVE isn't something we get for free. We aren't getting the expansions for free either. We have to pay a subscription for it. If your meal is ****, you don't thank the cook for making it either, right? (Let's say dessert, EVE is great, this expansion isn't)


You pay $14(US) a month to play with or without expansions. They did not charge you any extra for the expansion so therefore it is free. Care to continue splitting hairs and looking like an idiot?

What about this expansion is taking anything away from Eve as it is now? Nothing. Period. You don't have to participate in the new additions.

If the cook makes you a 7 course dinner and you chose to only eat 5 courses... I don't see how they are making your meal **** by placing more food in front of you AT NO EXTRA COST without forcing you to eat it.....Do you really think you are some kind of victim here?

Dalarus Mabebu
Amarr
Lost Armada
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:05:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Mightylink
When I quit WoW to join EVE, I didn't realize I brought the community with me... seriously I thought people where better here v_v



Agreed ^

Khefira
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:06:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: Khefira on 21/06/2011 19:08:00
Originally by: Rhivre
Tyrannis

To be fair, it at least added PI. Incarna isn't adding anything for game-play so far.

Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Many consider Red Moon Rising as one of the best expansions, but they were either not around when the patch was deployed or have forgotten what happened. TQ was offline for a day and when the server came online, it was practically unplayable, with horrible lag, even in empty systems. Not to mention, that EVE had more bugs then Klendathu after the release. It took CCP a week to fix the expansion into something that could be enjoyed.


People these days are just whiney little ****s that don't have the slightest idea what it takes to make something like Eve happen and to keep it happening for years.

Not one person in here could create something like Eve, let alone any product that is perfect that nobody would complain about.

I think it is repulsive that you ****ing humans complain when you are given something for nothing. If you don't like the new features, DON'T ****ING USE THEM. They are not taking anything away from anyone...simply adding more.

Is it more that you babies feel like your not as good at life because somebody in a game has an item that you don't have?


Wow, you sure are mad as hell. Also you should finally get it. EVE isn't something we get for free. We aren't getting the expansions for free either. We have to pay a subscription for it. If your meal is ****, you don't thank the cook for making it either, right? (Let's say dessert, EVE is great, this expansion isn't)


You pay $14(US) a month to play with or without expansions. They did not charge you any extra for the expansion so therefore it is free. Care to continue splitting hairs and looking like an idiot?

What about this expansion is taking anything away from Eve as it is now? Nothing. Period. You don't have to participate in the new additions.

If the cook makes you a 7 course dinner and you chose to only eat 5 courses... I don't see how they are making your meal **** by placing more food in front of you AT NO EXTRA COST without forcing you to eat it.....Do you really think you are some kind of victim here?

You pay 15$/€ to play EVE in the first place. A part of the money is used to make expansions. Therefore you pay for them. Also about your 7 course dinner: That's not really something you can compare. You paid for it, you're not getting anything for free and expect quality.

Landlady
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:06:00 - [154]
 

Just noticed... the new Incarna store (AKA the bringer of the end of eve, operation Moneybags-4-CCP, etc) has a Iskuone Scorpion in it right? I just checked the linked patch notes for Tyrannis(has been a while for sure), and what do I see?

"The feature list for Tyrannis so far:
New texture technologies and a new Scorpion model"

What is CCPs fascination with the Scorpion?
Why does it get all the love? They nerf ECM, then we get constantly re-modeled and re-skinned Scorpions?

Remove scorpions from the game TBH, just so that some other ships can get some love : /

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:07:00 - [155]
 

Up to dominion stupid people complained about there being too much focus on added content, and that CCP should focus more on fixing bugs. Now the same stupid people are complaining about lack of new content and too much focus on fixing bugs.

CCP, stop reading the forums and employ moderators that simply refunds the subscription of whiners and remove their accounts.

Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:10:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 21/06/2011 19:12:13
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

If the cook makes you a 7 course dinner and you chose to only eat 5 courses... I don't see how they are making your meal **** by placing more food in front of you AT NO EXTRA COST without forcing you to eat it.....Do you really think you are some kind of victim here?


To use your analogy, weak as it is, if you only want to eat a five course meal why should you pay for seven? Do you kid yourself that really you only paid for five courses and the other two - the two you didn't want - were for free!

SPECIAL OFFER ON THE IDIOT'S MENU

Five courses for the price of seven!
Comes with two free courses!


Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:11:00 - [157]
 

I can't say it's the worst ever expansion, since I have only been here since Apocrypha. The only features I look forward to are the fixes, ECM nerf and nerfing unscannable boats.

Khefira
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:11:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Up to dominion stupid people complained about there being too much focus on added content, and that CCP should focus more on fixing bugs. Now the same stupid people are complaining about lack of new content and too much focus on fixing bugs.

CCP, stop reading the forums and employ moderators that simply refunds the subscription of whiners and remove their accounts.


Oh wow, PL quality posting. Are you the new WiDot?
Nobody complained about CCP fixing bugs. It's just the content that doesn't live up to the quality of previous expansions. And it only got released for CCP to make more money from GTC.

LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:14:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Khefira
Edited by: Khefira on 21/06/2011 19:08:00
Originally by: Rhivre
Tyrannis

To be fair, it at least added PI. Incarna isn't adding anything for game-play so far.

Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Many consider Red Moon Rising as one of the best expansions, but they were either not around when the patch was deployed or have forgotten what happened. TQ was offline for a day and when the server came online, it was practically unplayable, with horrible lag, even in empty systems. Not to mention, that EVE had more bugs then Klendathu after the release. It took CCP a week to fix the expansion into something that could be enjoyed.


People these days are just whiney little ****s that don't have the slightest idea what it takes to make something like Eve happen and to keep it happening for years.

Not one person in here could create something like Eve, let alone any product that is perfect that nobody would complain about.

I think it is repulsive that you ****ing humans complain when you are given something for nothing. If you don't like the new features, DON'T ****ING USE THEM. They are not taking anything away from anyone...simply adding more.

Is it more that you babies feel like your not as good at life because somebody in a game has an item that you don't have?


Wow, you sure are mad as hell. Also you should finally get it. EVE isn't something we get for free. We aren't getting the expansions for free either. We have to pay a subscription for it. If your meal is ****, you don't thank the cook for making it either, right? (Let's say dessert, EVE is great, this expansion isn't)


You pay $14(US) a month to play with or without expansions. They did not charge you any extra for the expansion so therefore it is free. Care to continue splitting hairs and looking like an idiot?

What about this expansion is taking anything away from Eve as it is now? Nothing. Period. You don't have to participate in the new additions.

If the cook makes you a 7 course dinner and you chose to only eat 5 courses... I don't see how they are making your meal **** by placing more food in front of you AT NO EXTRA COST without forcing you to eat it.....Do you really think you are some kind of victim here?

You pay 15$/€ to play EVE in the first place. A part of the money is used to make expansions. Therefore you pay for them. Also about your 7 course dinner: That's not really something you can compare. You paid for it, you're not getting anything for free and expect quality.


Show us all another mainstream MMO that allows you to just have the expansions for the normal monthly subscription fee. Can't? I rest my case. When put into context, you are getting the expansion for free. Period.

LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:17:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 21/06/2011 19:12:13
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

If the cook makes you a 7 course dinner and you chose to only eat 5 courses... I don't see how they are making your meal **** by placing more food in front of you AT NO EXTRA COST without forcing you to eat it.....Do you really think you are some kind of victim here?


To use your analogy, weak as it is, if you only want to eat a five course meal why should you pay for seven? Do you kid yourself that really you only paid for five courses and the other two - the two you didn't want - were for free!

SPECIAL OFFER ON THE IDIOT'S MENU

Five courses for the price of seven!
Comes with two free courses!




Put it back into the context of the post I was replying to and then try again.

Not everyone plays Eve and utilizes every aspect of the game. That does not mean the game is ruined by the other aspects that are out there that they just so happen to not care for. I pay $14 a month for the parts of Eve I enjoy playing, why would I give a **** if they added more content that I didn't care for as long as it does not take away from the content I do care for? Anyone who does care is simply just stupid.

Reteris
Caldari
Eaglewrath Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:18:00 - [161]
 

You know, I thought as the hours went by the level of entertainment on this thread would start being diminished. I was wrong, it becomes more entertaining as the hours go by. lol

Landlady
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:19:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
You pay 15$/€ to play EVE in the first place. A part of the money is used to make expansions. Therefore you pay for them. Also about your 7 course dinner: That's not really something you can compare. You paid for it, you're not getting anything for free and expect quality.


Show us all another mainstream MMO that allows you to just have the expansions for the normal monthly subscription fee. Can't? I rest my case. When put into context, you are getting the expansion for free. Period.


Sorry Luna Serp, Khefira is right on this one. You pay for the expansion, you just don't shell out $40 all at once to do it. They pay for the development out of the money they make from EVE. You pay for the expansion indirectly, it isn't as though CCP sets up a charity on the side who works free to produce expansions. Different business models than other MMOs, but the same end result.

Khefira
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:21:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Khefira on 21/06/2011 19:22:26
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

Show us all another mainstream MMO that allows you to just have the expansions for the normal monthly subscription fee. Can't? I rest my case. When put into context, you are getting the expansion for free. Period.


When put into context? No, i just checked, CCP is still charging 15$.
The only MMO I'm familiar with is WOW. They are charging for expansions, yes. But you can't compare those to EVE. WOW expansions focus on content for players who reached the level cap. CCP tries to make their playerbase larger. Larger playerbase means more money from subscriptions, so they are getting both their money with new expansions.

Also mainstream MMOs that do charge nothing for expansions:
-Runescape (F2P)
-Everquest (P2P)

I'm sure there are more. Just two examples, should be enough to prove my point.

Lucius Trajan
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:22:00 - [164]
 

The level of stupidity in this thread makes my face hurt. A lot of people need to get a grip of themselves or go away. I know CCP have infinite resources and god like developers and that every single conceivable feature and item of content should be added for free in a 6 month window... Oh wait, that's not reality is it?

Talijana
Gallente
Bluestar Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:25:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Khefira
- No new gameplay-features added
- Only one out of four CQs got finished (which doesn't add gameplay features either, it only looks "kind of fancy")
- Still no interaction with other player's avatars
- ONE new ship model
- Still no missile bays
- No new ships added
- CCP tries to milk its players for money by introducing microtransaction
- Patch notes say:
"Dogma, the process that handles attributes on items and how they are modified, was massively re-engineered. This change shouldn’t affect players or change gameplay in any way but is the groundwork for features in following releases."

Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.

If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.


WTB the 2003-Dominion Dev Team, at least they added GOOD gameplay features.


can I have your stuff?

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:26:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Kira Phyrexia
As the CCP devs said in a video. This update is basically a platform to create much more content.


T3 was a good platform too.
So was fw.
So was Gallente.
So were the new skins that some ships never got.
So was PI.
And so on...

They get bored just like we do and jump on new toys.

Juliette DuBois
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:30:00 - [167]
 

CCP:s expansions are really content patches. Hence those do not cost extra. Wormhole/T3 patch was only one I might call small expansion pack since it actually had decent chunk of new content.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:34:00 - [168]
 

I'm not that bothered by vanity items. I might buy them or not, depending on what they are or how they look. And I will buy them for RL cash as I prefer grinding in the office to grinding in Eve (you know, 1h of office grind can buy you many plexes). What bothers me is that MT might start to encroach on Eve proper. Now it's skirts, high hills and Lous Vuitton bags, but that can easily be premium boosters, "improved" modules and premium ammo. That will be the point where Eve will start losing its appeal.

Flame Grill
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:40:00 - [169]
 

IMHO it is a good thing that this expansion is "free". I would struggle to find a good reason to purchase it for US$5. Having said that I would have no issue with paying for prior expansions. So for the people out there who are defending this latest update how much is the expansion worth to you?

Nuela
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:45:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Nuela on 21/06/2011 19:48:23
Edited by: Nuela on 21/06/2011 19:45:44
Originally by: Abrazzar
It's big from a game dev point of view.
It's small from a game play point of view.


While I tend to believe this...the problem is that in Eve and in other online games I play...they keep saying this. However, the groundwork being laid NEVER SEEMS TO FREAKIN MATERIALIZE INTO BIG GAME PLAY CHANGES!!

Sorry, just frustration. I pretty much gave up on 2 other games because they kept doing these big for future development point of view - not much in game play but just you wait...patches. After 8 freakin years (not Eve, the other games) you actually need to put on some big gameplay changes SOMETIME. If you don't, I start to question whether your 'big dev changes' are really all that big or impressive...(i.e. you are lying to me).

I'm starting to get this particular odor from Eve now as well.

Reteris
Caldari
Eaglewrath Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:46:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Estephania
I'm not that bothered by vanity items. I might buy them or not, depending on what they are or how they look. And I will buy them for RL cash as I prefer grinding in the office to grinding in Eve (you know, 1h of office grind can buy you many plexes). What bothers me is that MT might start to encroach on Eve proper. Now it's skirts, high hills and Lous Vuitton bags, but that can easily be premium boosters, "improved" modules and premium ammo. That will be the point where Eve will start losing its appeal.


I love how you completely tip-toed around the vanity stripper pole. When that happens all the PLEXes will be consumed in purchase of this grand item. I hope it comes with a NPC dancer.

Landlady
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:49:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Landlady on 21/06/2011 19:49:24
Originally by: Nuela

While I tend to believe this...the problem is that in Eve and in other online games I play...they keep saying this. However, the groundwork being laid NEVER SEEMS TO FREAKIN MATERIALIZE INTO BIG GAME PLAY CHANGES!!


I agree, the path of EVE's development is paved with broken promises and abandoned features.

T3 (missing subsystems, t3 frigates?)
FW (They couldn't even be bothered to show up to the fanfest FW panel)
PI
COSMOS
Wormholes (and the associated storyline that has never been unraveled or revealed)
Incursions (other than balancing they are the same now as when they were put in)



Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:56:00 - [173]
 

Does anyone remember an expansion that wasn't called "the worst ever" by at least one person?

I sure don't, but I've only been playing since shortly before Trinity.

I guess maybe the first expansion wasn't the worst ever, since it was the first.

Reteris
Caldari
Eaglewrath Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:00:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Kyra Felann
Does anyone remember an expansion that wasn't called "the worst ever" by at least one person?

I sure don't, but I've only been playing since shortly before Trinity.

I guess maybe the first expansion wasn't the worst ever, since it was the first.


I've been here since the beginning, we have never had a patch that wasn't followed by some group of people complaining about it.

Dimitri Fukoyama
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:00:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Many consider Red Moon Rising as one of the best expansions, but they were either not around when the patch was deployed or have forgotten what happened. TQ was offline for a day and when the server came online, it was practically unplayable, with horrible lag, even in empty systems. Not to mention, that EVE had more bugs then Klendathu after the release. It took CCP a week to fix the expansion into something that could be enjoyed.


People these days are just whiney little ****s that don't have the slightest idea what it takes to make something like Eve happen and to keep it happening for years.

Not one person in here could create something like Eve, let alone any product that is perfect that nobody would complain about.

I think it is repulsive that you ****ing humans complain when you are given something for nothing. If you don't like the new features, DON'T ****ING USE THEM. They are not taking anything away from anyone...simply adding more.

Is it more that you babies feel like your not as good at life because somebody in a game has an item that you don't have?


Wow, you sure are mad as hell. Also you should finally get it. EVE isn't something we get for free. We aren't getting the expansions for free either. We have to pay a subscription for it. If your meal is ****, you don't thank the cook for making it either, right? (Let's say dessert, EVE is great, this expansion isn't)


You pay $14(US) a month to play with or without expansions. They did not charge you any extra for the expansion so therefore it is free. Care to continue splitting hairs and looking like an idiot?

What about this expansion is taking anything away from Eve as it is now? Nothing. Period. You don't have to participate in the new additions.

If the cook makes you a 7 course dinner and you chose to only eat 5 courses... I don't see how they are making your meal **** by placing more food in front of you AT NO EXTRA COST without forcing you to eat it.....Do you really think you are some kind of victim here?


Being on the subject of idiots, it takes a really thick one to try to make us swallow that CCP doesnt market the game as the sub price, and you get a free expansion every 6 months. So if the expansion sucks (which is up for debate) then its not like you get what was promised, so people are entitled to ***** and complain.

Miles Apart
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:00:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Ryn Lee
I was hoping and praying for UI scaling... playing on my 65 inch TV @ 900 x 700 just so I can read **** shouldn't be the case. I want to play @ the highest resolution I can and scale the UI to that size.




Unfortunately mate I suspect you are in a small minority of people that need this feature. Hence its low priority and subsequent ommission....

Alexis Frain
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:09:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Miles Apart
Originally by: Ryn Lee
I was hoping and praying for UI scaling... playing on my 65 inch TV @ 900 x 700 just so I can read **** shouldn't be the case. I want to play @ the highest resolution I can and scale the UI to that size.




Unfortunately mate I suspect you are in a small minority of people that need this feature. Hence its low priority and subsequent ommission....


Well, I too wouldn't mind it. I mean, my monitor is good enough to see everything but sometimes it would be nice to be able to move it to an HDTV and not be using advil to see the small text (from the headaches of eye strain).

Bayram Blacklion
Caldari
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:16:00 - [178]
 

FFS STOP SAYING THAT THEY ARE DOING THIS FOR FREE, BECAUSE CCP IS NOT, YOUR ARE PAYING 15 BUCKS PER MONTH ON THE VERY BASIC AND THEY BETTER DO SOMETHING WITH IT AND NOT JUST ORDER MORE BURGERS AND GROW FAT.

sidenot: i am mad brah Evil or Very Mad

CANHAZNAMECHANGE
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:21:00 - [179]
 

Best Update in a while-
Reason #1
No new gameplay-features added

Translated to actual meaning

No game play features broken.

Also, i like my new turrets. Stop flying a drake.

crymyname
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:23:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: crymyname on 21/06/2011 20:26:17
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
- No new gameplay-features added
- Only one out of four CQs got finished (which doesn't add gameplay features either, it only looks "kind of fancy")
- Still no interaction with other player's avatars
- ONE new ship model
- Still no missile bays
- No new ships added
- CCP tries to milk its players for money by introducing microtransaction
- Patch notes say:
"Dogma, the process that handles attributes on items and how they are modified, was massively re-engineered. This change shouldn’t affect players or change gameplay in any way but is the groundwork for features in following releases."

Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.

If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.


WTB the 2003-Dominion Dev Team, at least they added GOOD gameplay features.


Really? What a life you must have to complain about another free improvement. Did your parents not hit you enough or something?

Do you think that changing the entire game is some simple task? They could have just pulled the plug on Eve and started creating a completely different game, but they chose to be loyal to their customers and add the new CONTENT as a free expansion..once again. You think they are milking you for money? Don't ****ing spend the money. It is not required to play and in no way are they forcing you to do it.

They have explained in more than enough detail that this expansion will take some time and a few phases to implement. Anyone with half the IQ necessary for normal bodily function should be able to see that what they are doing here is an extremely difficult and significant upgrade and modification to this game.

Your post is just pointless drivel about things you obviously don't understand at all. There is absolutely nothing for you to complain about here, period. STFU you dumb little child.


why oh why do you and others say free upgrade ? you pay £15 a month for the game ... times that by how many accounts and see how much ccp is making ...
nothing is ever free my friend .
they made this upgrade because they want to make more money .. hence the goundbreaking ****ty avatars and cpt room ...
so once more ccp do not listen to us but rather the all mighty cash cow ..
now why in the world would they throw a money making mule away ??
how else do you think they run such a huge team and still make money ... lol fools


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