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Etheoma
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:48:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 17:53:41
Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 17:52:37
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
- No new gameplay-features added
- Only one out of four CQs got finished (which doesn't add gameplay features either, it only looks "kind of fancy")
- Still no interaction with other player's avatars
- ONE new ship model
- Still no missile bays
- No new ships added
- CCP tries to milk its players for money by introducing microtransaction
- Patch notes say:
"Dogma, the process that handles attributes on items and how they are modified, was massively re-engineered. This change shouldnít affect players or change gameplay in any way but is the groundwork for features in following releases."

Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.

If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.


WTB the 2003-Dominion Dev Team, at least they added GOOD gameplay features.


Really? What a life you must have to complain about another free improvement. Did your parents not hit you enough or something?

Do you think that changing the entire game is some simple task? They could have just pulled the plug on Eve and started creating a completely different game, but they chose to be loyal to their customers and add the new CONTENT as a free expansion..once again. You think they are milking you for money? Don't ****ing spend the money. It is not required to play and in no way are they forcing you to do it.

They have explained in more than enough detail that this expansion will take some time and a few phases to implement. Anyone with half the IQ necessary for normal bodily function should be able to see that what they are doing here is an extremely difficult and significant upgrade and modification to this game.

Your post is just pointless drivel about things you obviously don't understand at all. There is absolutely nothing for you to complain about here, period. STFU you dumb little child.


so what your saying is you think even once the incarna patches are finished it will add more to the game than WH space or any other expansion, and the improvement arnt free we pay near 15 euros a month which seeing as for most games you only pay $5 a month and then you have to buy new games ok eve take more upkeep than most games but euros 10 is probably enough to run the serves and the extra 4.5 a month over 6 months = 27 euro's and considering most mmos only upgrade every 2 years or so because they change near everything it probably adds up to the same work that goes into 2 6month expansions so thats 54 euros a year you pay for expansions so don't say its free we damn well pay for it.

so you stop attacking people when you plainly dont know what your talking about

and we never said that adding incarna didn't take a LOT of work, building a skysc****r out of **** would take a lot of effort but it would still be ****.

and i dont complain just to complain i turly think the money would have been better spent on doing something else.

Reteris
Caldari
Eaglewrath Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:49:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Reteris
Originally by: upper left
my god
there is always a child that complains



People tend to hate change. They just need to accept it for fact and conform. :-P


Correction: people hate change for the worse. Good change is always welcomed.Very Happy


They don't like any change period. Good or Bad is irrelevent. People complain just to complain. Even when something REALLY IS good, they complain because it doesn't work the exact way they want it too. It's even better when they complain about a change that they aren't even forced to use. That entertains me the most I think. Honestly I hated Incursion because it didn't really add much for me, since thats not in my gameplay style BUT, I didn't complain because I knew that even though I may never get into Incursion, someone else would and it's good for them to get something out of it. Either way you guys against Incarna are very entertaining during this downtime. Please continue. On with the show!!

Reteris
Caldari
Eaglewrath Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:52:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Reteris on 21/06/2011 17:52:07
Originally by: Etheoma
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
- No new gameplay-features added
- Only one out of four CQs got finished (which doesn't add gameplay features either, it only looks "kind of fancy")
- Still no interaction with other player's avatars
- ONE new ship model
- Still no missile bays
- No new ships added
- CCP tries to milk its players for money by introducing microtransaction
- Patch notes say:
"Dogma, the process that handles attributes on items and how they are modified, was massively re-engineered. This change shouldnít affect players or change gameplay in any way but is the groundwork for features in following releases."

Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.

If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.


WTB the 2003-Dominion Dev Team, at least they added GOOD gameplay features.


Really? What a life you must have to complain about another free improvement. Did your parents not hit you enough or something?

Do you think that changing the entire game is some simple task? They could have just pulled the plug on Eve and started creating a completely different game, but they chose to be loyal to their customers and add the new CONTENT as a free expansion..once again. You think they are milking you for money? Don't ****ing spend the money. It is not required to play and in no way are they forcing you to do it.

They have explained in more than enough detail that this expansion will take some time and a few phases to implement. Anyone with half the IQ necessary for normal bodily function should be able to see that what they are doing here is an extremely difficult and significant upgrade and modification to this game.

Your post is just pointless drivel about things you obviously don't understand at all. There is absolutely nothing for you to complain about here, period. STFU you dumb little child.


so what your saying is you think even once the incarna patches are finished it will add more to the game than WH space or any other expansion, and the improvement arnt free we pay near 15 euros a month which seeing as for most games you only pay $5 a month and then you have to buy new games ok eve take more upkeep than most games but euros 10 is probably enough to run the serves and the extra 4.5 a month over 6 months = 27 euro's and considering most mmos only upgrade every 2 years or so because they change near everything it probably adds up to the same work that goes into 2 6month expansions so thats 54 euros a year you pay for expansions so don't say its free we damn well pay for it.

so you stop attacking people when you plainly dont know what your talking about


I really must be in the wrong country is it only costs you guys in europe $5 a month for MMO games. Man, it's like $10-$15 here for every MMO and expansions tend to be about $30-$50 give or take. You guys wanna switch me?

Gallinari
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:55:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Landlady
Originally by: Khefira
-
Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.

If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.


I LOL'd

I am currently flying a faction fit dual gisti-a SSB tengu, the whole thing bought with PLEX-gotten gains, how would that be any different?

Your time to protest this development was years and years ago.

People who use mommy's credit card to pay for a sub or work as a fry cook won't be able to take advantage of it in the same way that people with decent jobs do; a nice way to level the playing field since some of us don't get 16 hours a day free time to grind ISK.



ZINGGGGGGGG

LIOZTH
Caldari
Divide By Zero
Dark Phoenix Rising.
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:56:00 - [95]
 

I have 17M, can I help?

All kidding aside, to all the haters: this expansion will bring great things especially to attract a fresh player base which is what is direly needed. Not saying that vets are not cool - ya(we) are! But we need to get new players involved, and IMHO the best way to do this is via better immersion and I think this expansion does just that via better player interaction. So thank you CCP for keeping up the great work.

We know that there are still a ton of fixes that need to occur - especially when it comes to game balance, better ships, etc, etc - but these things will come even if frag-mentally over time. I for one have enjoyed Eve and will continue to bid my money for one of the best MMO's out there. Quite yer *****in', and get back to playin' Twisted Evil.

Etheoma
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:58:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Reteris
Edited by: Reteris on 21/06/2011 17:52:07
Originally by: Etheoma
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira
- No new gameplay-features added
- Only one out of four CQs got finished (which doesn't add gameplay features either, it only looks "kind of fancy")
- Still no interaction with other player's avatars
- ONE new ship model
- Still no missile bays
- No new ships added
- CCP tries to milk its players for money by introducing microtransaction
- Patch notes say:
"Dogma, the process that handles attributes on items and how they are modified, was massively re-engineered. This change shouldnít affect players or change gameplay in any way but is the groundwork for features in following releases."

Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.

If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.


WTB the 2003-Dominion Dev Team, at least they added GOOD gameplay features.


Really? What a life you must have to complain about another free improvement. Did your parents not hit you enough or something?

Do you think that changing the entire game is some simple task? They could have just pulled the plug on Eve and started creating a completely different game, but they chose to be loyal to their customers and add the new CONTENT as a free expansion..once again. You think they are milking you for money? Don't ****ing spend the money. It is not required to play and in no way are they forcing you to do it.

They have explained in more than enough detail that this expansion will take some time and a few phases to implement. Anyone with half the IQ necessary for normal bodily function should be able to see that what they are doing here is an extremely difficult and significant upgrade and modification to this game.

Your post is just pointless drivel about things you obviously don't understand at all. There is absolutely nothing for you to complain about here, period. STFU you dumb little child.


so what your saying is you think even once the incarna patches are finished it will add more to the game than WH space or any other expansion, and the improvement arnt free we pay near 15 euros a month which seeing as for most games you only pay $5 a month and then you have to buy new games ok eve take more upkeep than most games but euros 10 is probably enough to run the serves and the extra 4.5 a month over 6 months = 27 euro's and considering most mmos only upgrade every 2 years or so because they change near everything it probably adds up to the same work that goes into 2 6month expansions so thats 54 euros a year you pay for expansions so don't say its free we damn well pay for it.

so you stop attacking people when you plainly dont know what your talking about


I really must be in the wrong country is it only costs you guys in europe $5 a month for MMO games. Man, it's like $10-$15 here for every MMO and expansions tend to be about $30-$50 give or take. You guys wanna switch me?


sorry i havent looked at other MMO's for years shiz they used to cost something like that but other mmos are not $15 a month there around $12 - $13 and eve as standard is $20 so you still pay for expansions

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:59:00 - [97]
 

Idk... Spiffy new turret graphics are pretty hot.

And I still have a boot.ini

Etheoma
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:01:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Syn Fatelyng
Originally by: Morgan Knight
Speaking as someone who is quite looking forward to Incarna (if the servers ever come back up) I do need to point out that itís not free. We are paying a monthly subscription and expansions are part of a paid service. Itís true that WoW charge about £20 for major expansions but WoW is also about £4 per month cheaper to play. Just saying, the OP has a right to their opinion and that people shouting him/her down saying itís free expansion donít really have an argument.
I'd like to point out that the monthly fee for WoW is the same price as the monthly fee for EVE. Both are $14.95 a month for USD.


no eve is 14.95 euros which is near $20 and wow i don't know the price but i will assume you are correct that it is $14.95

Khefira
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:06:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Landlady
Originally by: Khefira
-
Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.

If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.


I LOL'd

I am currently flying a faction fit dual gisti-a SSB tengu, the whole thing bought with PLEX-gotten gains, how would that be any different?

Your time to protest this development was years and years ago.

People who use mommy's credit card to pay for a sub or work as a fry cook won't be able to take advantage of it in the same way that people with decent jobs do; a nice way to level the playing field since some of us don't get 16 hours a day free time to grind ISK.



Oh god, there is so much wrong with this statement.
1. Buying ISK with PLEX doesn't create in-game items such as modules out of thin air.
2. If you need to play 16h a day for buying a PLEX you are doing something wrong.
3. Buying PLEX, converting them to AUR and buying items on NeX DOES create items out of thin air, game wise.
4. The impact this will have on the economy is yet to be seen - but as M&D has already predicted, it would change EVE's economy (and therefore the sandbox) to the worse, since you won't be able to create those items without paying for them with cash.
5. As a result for this PLEX prices rise, mineral and "normal" item prices will go down. See where this is going?
5. PLEX was created to counter RMT, whereas AUR is for filling CCP's pockets.

Syn Fatelyng
Dathmora
Redanni
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:06:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Syn Fatelyng on 21/06/2011 18:08:03
Edited by: Syn Fatelyng on 21/06/2011 18:06:25
Originally by: Etheoma
no eve is 14.95 euros which is near $20 and wow i don't know the price but i will assume you are correct that it is $14.95
For your location, EVE is 14.95 euros.

For my location, EVE is $14.95 USD. Evidence: http://i.imgur.com/kGwpB.jpg

It is the same price as WoW for anyone using USD. The price discrepancy for EU players should be compared to the 14.95 euros for the EU World of Warcraft.


edit: Forgot the image link. Apologies.

Karsa Egivand
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:08:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Morganta
Edited by: Morganta on 21/06/2011 16:32:02
CCP contracting - "Hi we're going to remodel your house and also build an extension, but for it to work right we need to re-engineer the basic structure of your house, this of course is at no cost to you and gives you some badly needed updates to your existing structure."

homeowner - "FFFFUUUUU, thats the weakest thing I ever heard, you didn't even offer to give me a new throw pillow and curtains"




Word.

Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:09:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

Really? What a life you must have to complain about another free improvement.


Free? You mean like mining?

Where do you think the money for the developer's salaries is coming from? They could have hired a contract development team to code version 1 of Eve then retain only a skeleton-staff for support and maintenance. Then we'd all pay less each month for a game that grows rapidly out-of-date. Instead, we pay a higher subscription each month to enable CCP to retain a team of developers that will continually update the game.

In other words, we already paid for this upgrade, even if we didn't want it.

So it's not "Free". Like mining.

Anyhow, the OP is right. They should continue making the updates optional, like wormholes or PI - there for them that wants it.

And when are we going to get a trader's update? We traders spend all our time keeping the in-game markets running efficiently but we still aren't even provided with covered shorts or a centrally brokered stock exchange. Sheesh, it shouldn't be that difficult to integrate Eve corporation shares into the market and would add a whole new dimension to investment and corporation management. We could then walk in stations with bundles of ISK to splash around like the Earthbound fat-cats of yore.


Ryder 3vyn
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:09:00 - [103]
 

Wow, want some Reggiano with that Ruffino? Incarna >> Awesome immersion into the greatest video game ever created (and the only MMO I have ever tried)

And as for the WoW comments: Grow up, playing Eve doesn't make you 5M4RT you scrubs, leave other games out of it and leave people who play other games out of it, goddamn elitist eve players.

Etheoma
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:10:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 18:13:27
Ok then eve are even more a**holeish than i thought part of that might be VAT but not that much and per 3 month sub wow is £8.99

Khefira
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:11:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Khefira on 21/06/2011 18:13:11
Originally by: Karsa Egivand
Originally by: Morganta
Edited by: Morganta on 21/06/2011 16:32:02
CCP contracting - "Hi we're going to remodel your house and also build an extension, but for it to work right we need to re-engineer the basic structure of your house, this of course is at no cost to you and gives you some badly needed updates to your existing structure."

homeowner - "FFFFUUUUU, thats the weakest thing I ever heard, you didn't even offer to give me a new throw pillow and curtains"




Word.


Wow, since this is quoted so much, let me fix this for you:
Hi we're going to remodel your house and also build an extension, but for it to work right we need to make you pay for it with PLEX, otherwise this won't be of use to you, this of course is at some cost to you and gives you some bad, not needed updates to your existing structure.

Scorpionidae
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:11:00 - [106]
 

So... um... The door is thata way -->

Now Fvck off!

Scorpionidae Very Happy

Isabella Thresher
Fat Kitty Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:11:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Morganta
Edited by: Morganta on 21/06/2011 16:32:02
CCP contracting - "Hi we're going to remodel your house and also build an extension, but for it to work right we need to re-engineer the basic structure of your house, this of course is at no cost to you and gives you some badly needed updates to your existing structure."

homeowner - "FFFFUUUUU, thats the weakest thing I ever heard, you didn't even offer to give me a new throw pillow and curtains"




LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

JayAlba
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:12:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Dotanaski
@OP ;

First things first,
- People that complain that their computer can't handle CQ are lazy and dumb or both. They can turn off CQ in the main menu "Loading station enviroment" causes to load CQ. Turn this off and there's no QQ about it. If they want it, they should get a better computer.
- The actual release of Incarna is in my honest opinion the best ever done by CCP. Besides the fact we are finally getting Walking in Stations, EVE has also reached another level. Besides the internet spaceships we can walk around, it might be just cosmetic but it's getting somewhere. Also I'm 100% sure that CQ's will someway work together with DUST514.
- CCP knows if they'd release ships and items that improve gameplay in any way for any player which can only be bought with the new currency they'll lose players.
- The new currency does indeed skyrocket PLEX prices, FOR NOW. CCP cleary stated that they WILL monitor the PLEX prices closely and if the prices get out of hand they'll seed it onto the market or take other actions to make sure the regular player can still buy a PLEX without working 4 weeks for it. Your statement that the new currency will take down the gameplay and fawk up PLEX's is completely rubbish and weak.
- Don't forget the new turrents they're releasing. It's maybe not an incredible change but it's something. Somehow you QQ'ers seem to QQ at every patch CCP releases. Fawk off.
- The CQ's spice the game up a bit, making it realistic and more connected to eachother by Live-feeds and better interaction between NPC's and players. Also this is just the ground for later releases.


DON'T FORGET IT IS A FREE EXPANSION

Tesuil
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:14:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Tesuil on 21/06/2011 18:15:01
I suspect a lot of the complaining on here has little to with the expansion, and has probably a lot to with the fact the expansion is causing the server to be down and some of you are having to find other ways to entertain yourselves!

However,

I am lucky enough that 2 of my 3 accounts are paid for via isk bought plex, something anyone is allowed to do.... unless you play most other pay to play MMO's.

And I would happily pay for all 3 accounts because compared to EVE most of the MMO's i've played are very poor, eve is the most challenging, requires actual planning and strategy ( and i don't mean strategy as in ... mob hits tank, dps hits mob, healer heals tank... strategy my ass) and can be the most rewarding... imagine being someone like Chribba who has contributed some much to the game and ultimately must get an awful lot from it, we all have the option to follow paths like that.

I embrace any expansion offered in my gaming, it means the games not dead.... I can pick and choose wether I wish to use CQ and I can also pick and choose wether I wish to purchase vanity items... my only concerns will come if game changing ship releases come via vanity payment, but I would like to believe CCP are a little brighter than that.

Realistically though, if anyone really strongly objects to what CCP have put into place with this expansion, I can't say i'm too sympathetic, it's not suddenly been imposed, you've had a long time to raise your objections. And if you had raised them and the expansions gone ahead anyway its probably because most people are happy with it. You have the choice to walk away from the game at any point.... but I suspect we'll actually see you in a pink neon armageddon very soon!


Syn Fatelyng
Dathmora
Redanni
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:14:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Etheoma
Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 18:13:27
Ok then eve are even more a**holeish than i thought part of that might be VAT but not that much and per 3 month sub wow is £8.99
It does seem a bit unfair. But, as I mentioned, the EU World of Warcraft is the same price as what EU pays for EVE.

I do not have an explanation.

Tyr Kurvora
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:17:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Etheoma
Originally by: Syn Fatelyng
Originally by: Morgan Knight
Speaking as someone who is quite looking forward to Incarna (if the servers ever come back up) I do need to point out that itís not free. We are paying a monthly subscription and expansions are part of a paid service. Itís true that WoW charge about £20 for major expansions but WoW is also about £4 per month cheaper to play. Just saying, the OP has a right to their opinion and that people shouting him/her down saying itís free expansion donít really have an argument.
I'd like to point out that the monthly fee for WoW is the same price as the monthly fee for EVE. Both are $14.95 a month for USD.


no eve is 14.95 euros which is near $20 and wow i don't know the price but i will assume you are correct that it is $14.95


You have no idea what you're talking about. Go do research before you post again. People in the US pay $14.95 per month, that's 10 Euros. Which means Europeans have to pay 5 Euros more than us. Gotta love being American.

Etheoma
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:18:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: JayAlba
Originally by: Dotanaski
@OP ;

First things first,
- People that complain that their computer can't handle CQ are lazy and dumb or both. They can turn off CQ in the main menu "Loading station enviroment" causes to load CQ. Turn this off and there's no QQ about it. If they want it, they should get a better computer.
- The actual release of Incarna is in my honest opinion the best ever done by CCP. Besides the fact we are finally getting Walking in Stations, EVE has also reached another level. Besides the internet spaceships we can walk around, it might be just cosmetic but it's getting somewhere. Also I'm 100% sure that CQ's will someway work together with DUST514.
- CCP knows if they'd release ships and items that improve gameplay in any way for any player which can only be bought with the new currency they'll lose players.
- The new currency does indeed skyrocket PLEX prices, FOR NOW. CCP cleary stated that they WILL monitor the PLEX prices closely and if the prices get out of hand they'll seed it onto the market or take other actions to make sure the regular player can still buy a PLEX without working 4 weeks for it. Your statement that the new currency will take down the gameplay and fawk up PLEX's is completely rubbish and weak.
- Don't forget the new turrents they're releasing. It's maybe not an incredible change but it's something. Somehow you QQ'ers seem to QQ at every patch CCP releases. Fawk off.
- The CQ's spice the game up a bit, making it realistic and more connected to eachother by Live-feeds and better interaction between NPC's and players. Also this is just the ground for later releases.


DON'T FORGET IT IS A FREE EXPANSION


NOT FREE FOR EU PLAYERS where every other game costs around less than £9 or around 11 euros because the £ and euro are around = atm and and eve cost 14.95 euros so we pay for your expansions.

James Moroci
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:19:00 - [113]
 

i sit in a lame supercap so i wont see anything as in i couldent care less about this exspansion :) sadly super pilots wont get a quarter in the ship.

Landlady
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:20:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Khefira

1. Buying ISK with PLEX doesn't create in-game items such as modules out of thin air.

This is your only valid point in the whole waste of characters you call a post

Originally by: Khefira

2. If you need to play 16h a day for buying a PLEX you are doing something wrong.

Keep up with the conversation, I need to play 16hrs a day to pay for my faction-fit ship addiction! Estamal's Ravens aren't cheap!

Originally by: Khefira

3. Buying PLEX, converting them to AUR and buying items on NeX DOES create items out of thin air, game wise.

Yeah, I am so upset that people can use IRL cash to make funny hats and skirts appear out of thin air, will cut down on my tailoring sales, not to mention the work of all the people who haul textiles and thread for me... wait a sec, no one makes clothes in game, and clothes don't do **** for you, so no one cares at all about it, STOP PRETENDING YOU DO!

Originally by: Khefira

4. The impact this will have on the economy is yet to be seen - but as M&D has already predicted, it would change EVE's economy (and therefore the sandbox) to the worse, since you won't be able to create those items without paying for them with cash.

Yes, look to the M&D 'experts' for predictions. Seeing as how often they investin each others schemes only to have someone go AWOL and RMT the proceeds they OBVIOUSLY are the best source of predictions.

Originally by: Khefira

5. As a result for this PLEX prices rise, mineral and "normal" item prices will go down. See where this is going?

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Originally by: Khefira

5. PLEX was created to counter RMT, whereas AUR is for filling CCP's pockets.

Whuy do you have 2 5's?

Reteris
Caldari
Eaglewrath Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:21:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Etheoma
Originally by: Reteris
Edited by: Reteris on 21/06/2011 17:52:07
Originally by: Etheoma
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT

Really? What a life you must have to complain about another free improvement. Did your parents not hit you enough or something?

Do you think that changing the entire game is some simple task? They could have just pulled the plug on Eve and started creating a completely different game, but they chose to be loyal to their customers and add the new CONTENT as a free expansion..once again. You think they are milking you for money? Don't ****ing spend the money. It is not required to play and in no way are they forcing you to do it.

They have explained in more than enough detail that this expansion will take some time and a few phases to implement. Anyone with half the IQ necessary for normal bodily function should be able to see that what they are doing here is an extremely difficult and significant upgrade and modification to this game.

Your post is just pointless drivel about things you obviously don't understand at all. There is absolutely nothing for you to complain about here, period. STFU you dumb little child.


so what your saying is you think even once the incarna patches are finished it will add more to the game than WH space or any other expansion, and the improvement arnt free we pay near 15 euros a month which seeing as for most games you only pay $5 a month and then you have to buy new games ok eve take more upkeep than most games but euros 10 is probably enough to run the serves and the extra 4.5 a month over 6 months = 27 euro's and considering most mmos only upgrade every 2 years or so because they change near everything it probably adds up to the same work that goes into 2 6month expansions so thats 54 euros a year you pay for expansions so don't say its free we damn well pay for it.

so you stop attacking people when you plainly dont know what your talking about


I really must be in the wrong country is it only costs you guys in europe $5 a month for MMO games. Man, it's like $10-$15 here for every MMO and expansions tend to be about $30-$50 give or take. You guys wanna switch me?


sorry i havent looked at other MMO's for years shiz they used to cost something like that but other mmos are not $15 a month there around $12 - $13 and eve as standard is $20 so you still pay for expansions


Most of the MMO's I've seen here in the US are either $10 or $15 a month. Also, in the US EVE is only $15 a month, not $20.

Khefira
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:22:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Dotanaski
@OP ;

First things first,
- People that complain that their computer can't handle CQ are lazy and dumb or both. They can turn off CQ in the main menu "Loading station enviroment" causes to load CQ. Turn this off and there's no QQ about it. If they want it, they should get a better computer.
- The actual release of Incarna is in my honest opinion the best ever done by CCP. Besides the fact we are finally getting Walking in Stations, EVE has also reached another level. Besides the internet spaceships we can walk around, it might be just cosmetic but it's getting somewhere. Also I'm 100% sure that CQ's will someway work together with DUST514.
- CCP knows if they'd release ships and items that improve gameplay in any way for any player which can only be bought with the new currency they'll lose players.
- The new currency does indeed skyrocket PLEX prices, FOR NOW. CCP cleary stated that they WILL monitor the PLEX prices closely and if the prices get out of hand they'll seed it onto the market or take other actions to make sure the regular player can still buy a PLEX without working 4 weeks for it. Your statement that the new currency will take down the gameplay and fawk up PLEX's is completely rubbish and weak.
- Don't forget the new turrents they're releasing. It's maybe not an incredible change but it's something. Somehow you QQ'ers seem to QQ at every patch CCP releases. Fawk off.
- The CQ's spice the game up a bit, making it realistic and more connected to eachother by Live-feeds and better interaction between NPC's and players. Also this is just the ground for later releases.


CCP would certainly try to sell new ships for AUR. It's more cash for them. It's like saying nobody is paying for special items in F2P-games.
CCP seeding PLEX is the single most dumbest thing I've ever heard in that thread. They would give away game-time and not get any RL money in return. So that's not gonna happen.
Oh wow, new turrets. Sure, this change is SUPER AWESOME!!!!1. Come one, it may be nice, but not what I call an "EVE expansion". You obviously weren't around when the "new" engine was released we have right now.
Also, there still is no interaction between players and NPCs. You still go to your agent, ask for a mission and complete it. Same as before. The live feeds don't change anything either, because they were already incorporated in the game, you just might have not noticed them.

Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:23:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Khefira
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Originally by: Khefira
- No new gameplay-features added
- Only one out of four CQs got finished (which doesn't add gameplay features either, it only looks "kind of fancy")
- Still no interaction with other player's avatars
- ONE new ship model
- Still no missile bays
- No new ships added
- CCP tries to milk its players for money by introducing microtransaction
- Patch notes say:
"Dogma, the process that handles attributes on items and how they are modified, was massively re-engineered. This change shouldnít affect players or change gameplay in any way but is the groundwork for features in following releases."

Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.

If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.


WTB the 2003-Dominion Dev Team, at least they added GOOD gameplay features.


WTB a brain cell to keep the other one you have company. Since it has clearly escaped your attention, CCP no longer release full expansions in one big chunk, rather they now release them as "iterations". You get the initial release, followed by 2 or 3 of these "iterations" which all add up to an expansion. This practice first started with Incursions and was deemed successful enough that it has been adopted as the format for ALL future releases.

Perhaps if you spent more time learning to read, and less time carefully crafting tin foil hats you might learn something.


You have obviously no idea for how long Incarna has been in development?
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777
August 2010


No clearly I haven't, even though I have been in EVE since mid 2005. What is obvious is that you have zero idea precisely why Incarna has taken as long as it has.

HactionGuy Wim
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:23:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Ghurthe
Idk... Spiffy new turret graphics are pretty hot.

And I still have a boot.ini



Yeah new sexy gunz to look at, im hyped for that.

So starting a new character now starts you out of your pod and in your CQ, that's a pretty appealing change there for new players.

I find it slightly interesting, it may give new players and even greater association with there avatar and that means more tears for us when we kill them and send them back to farmville.



Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:23:00 - [119]
 

I think it's already a better expansion then the PI clickfest thing. Never understood that it took 6 months to make with a whole design team.

And we are only at stage 1 of Incarna.

Reteris
Caldari
Eaglewrath Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:25:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Tesuil
Edited by: Tesuil on 21/06/2011 18:15:01
I suspect a lot of the complaining on here has little to with the expansion, and has probably a lot to with the fact the expansion is causing the server to be down and some of you are having to find other ways to entertain yourselves!

...



Speak for yourself, reading all the anti-Incarna people is quite entertaining. been reading their attempts of discredit since 13:00 EVE time. I haven't stopped being entertained since.


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