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Desmond Kesh
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:29:00 - [1]
 

To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

I've lost countless ships in nullsec. I know its the nature of the beast- and I don't let it take control-, but when I see some kill records... 6-19 k/d ratio doesnt seem to hot. I've spent a lot of the past few days of the month not even playing - just lvling skills which still didn't stop the instapop of my kitsune.

Now this is also cramping into my funds too. I get the "Don't fly what you can't afford" but when fleets demand big bad BS's and all I can afford is a cruiser I don't bother showing up. And when I do take my cruiser BC out to rat for cash, well check out my killmails...

I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:31:00 - [2]
 

a) When you blob
b) Stay in the blob
c) nope, get those sp up
d) One time I found a wartarget industrial afk at a gate (he fell asleep at the keyboard), got 72 blueprints Very Happy

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:33:00 - [3]
 

a) Well i am carebear
b) directional scan and watching local helps at low and null sec.
c) First get some income / be carebear then fund PvP / you will skill up anyway so just fly what you can and proceed
d)yep EPIC FAIL

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:34:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh

a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



A) Friendships to build superior forces usually.

B) Look up how to do the Cloak+MWD trick, learn how drag bubbles work. Scout scout and scout some more.

C) Never hurts to have more skillpoints. While I wouldn't stop playing the game to wait for skills, if you want to focus on RL/other games while your skills train, the beginning of your EVE career is the best times to do this.

D) Can't tell any without getting bitter Embarassed

Frau Klaps
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:47:00 - [5]
 

You won't learn if you don't try and caring about your killboard stats is one way of putting yourself off trying. You need to get out there and learn some tactics and skills (not skillpoints, these are largely irrelevant). If you see someone with a relatively low kill/death ratio that could simply mean they take more risks, fly solo etc etc so it's really not realistic to obsess over this stat.

If you categorically hate having a low K/D then you will end up blobbing. This happens to a lot of people (cowards) and they generally gain zero PVP skill from it other than following orders from some FC who is screaming at you all and (rightfully) calling you a bunch of '****ing ******s'.

If your ship is liable to get caught in any potential camp then you need to make better use of intel channels and scouts or otherwise fly something different. You have to adapt to the environment and 0.0 can be volatile at the best of times YARRRR!!

My early days in 0.0 I would never leave sytem and IMAGINED all sorts of horror stories. It's only when I sacked up and just got on with stuff that I realised the majority of systems are empty. Don't loiter where there are hostiles if you don't want to get camped in. A simple tactic to get you into the habit of roaming about and feeling a bit more comfortable is to learn and use the cloak/warp trick. I use a cloaking Gila or Ishtar in hostile space from time to time with much success.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:54:00 - [6]
 

Is anyone ever not scared in null-sec?

It's a paranoids nightmare.

Rebbecca Black
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:08:00 - [7]
 

Set up bookmarks 200k'ish above or below the gates in systems you use frequently, use them often instead of jumping directly to a gate if there is a hostile in system. Make bookmarks for Safe's in systems you often are at, and learn how to bounce between safes and continuously create new safes while doing so if you are getting probed down and don't have a cloak. Watch your alliance/regions intel channel, and take the local channel and put it in its own window.. the chat isn't important, its for seeing if any hostiles are in local. Depending on where you live train caldari, as blackbirds are useful in fleets, are cheap, and allow you to train for a drake easily for ratting.

Honestly if you want to get good at pvp, the best way to get started is to download EFT, and when you get into an engagement, dump the eft loadout from the killboard into EFT and figure out what your opponents optimals/tracking are, and how you would minimize damage to yourself if you end up in a similar situation. For instance you come across a 720mm Arty cane, what do you do to minimize the damage he can put on you? Memorize stuff like this, play around with EFT. Piloting only keeps you alive if you know what the right counter to your opponent is.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:12:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Is anyone ever not scared in null-sec?

It's a paranoids nightmare.


Actually blue null sec is the safest place in universe .

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:21:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



a) Fly with good FC's
b) PvP more
c) One doesn't depend on the other. Make a good plan, lvl skills and fly what you can now

As for income, rat in 0.0, run anomalies. If you watch intel and are careful, chances of you being ganked are low. Or you can do as other elite PvPers and train yourself a carebear alt.

Dante Marcellus
Minmatar
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:27:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

I've lost countless ships in nullsec. I know its the nature of the beast- and I don't let it take control-, but when I see some kill records... 6-19 k/d ratio doesnt seem to hot. I've spent a lot of the past few days of the month not even playing - just lvling skills which still didn't stop the instapop of my kitsune.

Now this is also cramping into my funds too. I get the "Don't fly what you can't afford" but when fleets demand big bad BS's and all I can afford is a cruiser I don't bother showing up. And when I do take my cruiser BC out to rat for cash, well check out my killmails...

I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



I'm almost 2 years of active play into the game and can make enough to buy PLEX every month and then some and I still have that fear every so often.

If you check my KB, I've barely killed anyone and there's a sequence of days where I lost an arse-tone of pods.

It gets...

better? Smile

I would say that I felt exactly the way you did when I started playing. Except, I jumped right into an event called Hulkageddon and wasted all of the ISK I had made doing noob stuff and the donations I had received from other players.

Stupidly, I deleted that character and started a new one.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, keep your face toward the darkness and grin through the extremes of the biting cold.

Welcome to EVE.

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:27:00 - [11]
 

If your intent on living in nuslec, I would suggest pushing yourself into a stronger corp. Many of the better nulsec alliances have space that is generally more secure than hisec, and far more profitable.

But some quick tips:
- Friends are priceless in EvE. Call it blobbing if you need, but having superior numbers can often trump superior firepower (with the right FC).
- Make an alt, and put his ass in a hisec mission zone. I know this isn't what most wish EvE to be, but it's what EvE is. When funds get tight, run some missions.
- SP don't make you the best, but it doesn't hurt.
- Don't fly what you can't afford to replace at least three times.
- Be smart. If your outnumbered, or just out gunned, run. Call it cowardice if you need to, but if you are hinging on leaving the game if you don't survive, **** what they call it.

Mr M
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:36:00 - [12]
 

Everyone dies now and then. Sometimes because you suck, sometimes because you opponent sucked less. But as long as you keep your clones up do date dieing isn't really a problem. Get a new ship and go out again. Killboards doesn't matter, only that you have fun matters.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:38:00 - [13]
 

Fly what u can afford

Fleets that require bs's and cry about u in a cruiser. Troll the sh!t out of them. You will learn there tears are far more fun then there anger.

You will run into some idiot some day, that will be paydirt, just keep pushing for that kill.

If all u can afford to fly is a frig, fly a frig. they are the funnest anyway.

For a really good k/d, get into a pirate corp of about 200 ppl and gate camp Amamakie all day. Get into large fleet battles, and fly alpha, wardec mining corps in high sec. Fly with huge numbers of ppl, and pad you k/d killing everything that moves in long roams. Join one of the kill trading corps. You know how you are(but not sure why they care that much. At lower sp lvls, you are learning, and learning means u will probly die, but as long as u learn, not much of a loss.

Old story-dont auto pilot with everything u own in one indy ship.

Practice tip to survive, shoot first, take names later. Always fit a MWD, and learn when to use it. Learn how to crash gates.

And most of all have fun, if that means flying cheap ships, dont mind the FC's, most all of them cry for the sake of crying to start with.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:42:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Is anyone ever not scared in null-sec?

It's a paranoids nightmare.


Actually blue null sec is the safest place in universe .


It really is, in the NC, u could go 200 jumps and only see blues. and last time i was up there even with the Ruskies there, was never a problem. Mainly due to the fact, they only show if they have 9999 ppl, and twice that in supers.

0.0 is carebear land. Nothing more, nothing less. And if it scares you, stay clear of Jita, you may become a victom of some lulz.

VIP Ares
Minmatar
BALKAN EXPRESS
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2011.06.21 07:05:00 - [15]
 

a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
When I found my first good PVP corp.

b) Any practice tips to survive ?
Have two accounts and a scout. Or do not fly alone.

c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
You should do both at same time.

d) Any good stories of your early days?
Trying to solo PVP as a noob in null sec. 0/12 K/D ratio :)

Jokerface666
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.21 07:10:00 - [16]
 

1. from the beginning, found a good corp who teached me how to stalk my pray and get them.
2. get someone who know what they're doing and learn from them, SP is not everything
3. lvl skills is going automatically, so do both, but without the death aspect. go with a good gang.
4. Jumping on a gang in a Gas cloud, realizing later on the Killmails that we jumped 2 gangs who tried to blow each other up and we wiped out both.

Br,
Joker o7

Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2011.06.21 10:20:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Is anyone ever not scared in null-sec?

It's a paranoids nightmare.


Paranoids' dream?

At least they can say "See! I told you, the bastards were out to get me!"

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.06.21 10:40:00 - [18]
 

Been playing for 8 years and I'm still scared of 0.0 Laughing

/c

I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
Posted - 2011.06.21 10:44:00 - [19]
 

Your first problem is worrying about your kill to death ratio. Just go out and fly, lose ships. It's the only way you're going to learn to actually fly those ships. Knowledge and experience from actually playing the game is the most important aspect of the game in my opinion.

For example, someone buys a character with millions and millions of skill points, but doesn't know how to fly the ships properly can and will get owned by someone with much lower skill points, but with the knowledge on how to fly a ship. Happens all the time in Eve.

So yeah, get out there, fly your ships, have fun. If you need ISK bad enough, you can buy time codes and turn them into plex, or sell the time code on the forums if you have the real life money to do so. If not, you can always try scamming people. Twisted Evil

Smabs
Posted - 2011.06.21 10:50:00 - [20]
 

Just take a t2 frigate of some sort, look up a good fit, get out there and try some pvp. You'll soon realise that losing ships and pods is really no big deal (provided you don't use faction fitting and implants).

If you need better income start thinking about doing some trading on a newbie alt or read around the pve sections of the forums. I remember those little 1/10 static plexes being a great source of income for a new player. You should be able to fund several t2 frigate losses per week without too much trouble.

I started learning by taking out a t2 fit merlin and looking for rifters and the occasional interceptor to kill in lowsec. You'll end up learning all about how to fly your ship, what you can engage and when a blob is going to land. These days dramiels are fotm so I'd say you'll need to fly assault frigates at least to get kills, sadly.

Anyway, just go out there and give it a go.

Jaak 242
Posted - 2011.06.21 10:53:00 - [21]
 

Have you considered living in Hi Sec while you earn some ISK and your skills build?

Messy Beaver
Posted - 2011.06.21 10:56:00 - [22]
 

1) Stop worrying about k/d ratios and what other people think. If the people in your corp have a problem with you losing ships and having a terrible k/d ratio then you are in the wrong corp my friend. Eve is a game(it really is) so play it like one.
2) Join a corp that suits your playstyle and personality.
3) You're new, it's expected of you to make mistakes. Now is the time when you should be taking advantage of this fact and learning as much as you can.

SUGGESTION
Do some research on the ships of your race. There are numerous places you can read up on ship fits and tactics. Concentrate your skill plan to your race and tactics. Build up some isk in the meantime so you can afford several if not lots of frigs for your race.

Go out and lose a whole bunch of these frigs. Learn from your mistakes, if you are not sure why you keep losing to specific ships or fits you can always ask people more experienced than yourself or post your dilemma in the war and tactics section of the forums. Once you start getting success with the cheap tech1 frigs you can either progress to the tech 2 frigs(what i'd do), or jump up to cruiser class and start the process again.





Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:04:00 - [23]
 

Sounds like your flying a Kitsune. As an EWAR platform that becomes a higher value target in an FCs eyes - but also a weak one so you could well be towards the top of the target priority list.

You might want to consider switching to a another ship to get more experience by lasting through the fight longer and get 'battle indoctrinated'. BCs are good for this purpose (drake, hurricane) as they will allow you to get on the KB but still have enough tank to survive a while.

Alternatively go for cheaper tier 1 BS like the geddon. You'll still die but you'll get to appreciate the dynamics of what's going on before you wake up covered in POD goo.

C.

Neamus
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:13:00 - [24]
 

Two months is too young to be living in nullsec really. Its kinda like flying a BS as soon as you get BS lvl 1, yeah you can do it, but you wont have much success.

But saying that though, never let anyone tell you that you cant do something in EVE. So you get some kudos for going for it anyway.

Generally speaking the more you do something the better you get at doing it, repetition... Once you get used to 0.0 the paranoia starts to die down a bit, and the more skilled you get the more expensive the ship you can fly, and stay alive in. Just be patient and learn to fly smart.


DeLaBu
Caldari
Hive Bound Technologies
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:23:00 - [25]
 

a) By flying a Drake. A BC with a good tank is a nice way to survive long enough to learn, and you can still be useful as anti support.
b) DON'T start with EWAR platforms. They are HARD to master, and even then you will die often. Interceptors can also be a good way but more tricky to survive than BCs.
c) Always skill up and fly what you have good skills in. Don't fly a BS just because you now can. Rather fly a cruiser excellently than a BS badly.
d) I once caused a whole fleet's death because the FC turned the fleet around to try an save my slow arse Raven that I was ill skilled to fly.

Lucilla Giulia
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.



well u won't need to do it anymore, Incarna is gonna save you YARRRR!!
btw on more serious note, join a corp and get some help

Amber Accelerando
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:29:00 - [27]
 

Nobody is saying it so I will.

Hi-Sec Arrow

Go to 0.0 after a few months roaming lowsec at least. 0.0 is endgame, you should be skilling up a bit first IMO, i mean it's nice to have a decent set of inplants & HW when you're just starting out too.

After awhile you have an income stream & them head out to Null.

Good luck.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:37:00 - [28]
 

If your 2 months old and not able to afford youe losses - you ought to spend more time in high sec.

Not exactly rocket science.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:10:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

I've lost countless ships in nullsec. I know its the nature of the beast- and I don't let it take control-, but when I see some kill records... 6-19 k/d ratio doesnt seem to hot. I've spent a lot of the past few days of the month not even playing - just lvling skills which still didn't stop the instapop of my kitsune.

Now this is also cramping into my funds too. I get the "Don't fly what you can't afford" but when fleets demand big bad BS's and all I can afford is a cruiser I don't bother showing up. And when I do take my cruiser BC out to rat for cash, well check out my killmails...

I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



Ah young padawan. I understand your fear. I have found that fear of loss is directly proportional to level of income. So perhaps what you should do is to increase your income stream and decrease your pvp until you reach an equilibrium.

Another suggestion is to get out of null and go to w-space. I find there an environment which is more suited for small gang pvp and allows one to pick and choose their engagements. Not always, of course, but for the most part.

CCP Guard


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:23:00 - [30]
 

I'll leave the advice to the true experts...but I think you're pretty brave to be flying around down there at all after two months. It takes balls of Megacyte to go against the killers out there. You'll be terrorizing others in no time.

YARRRR!!


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