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Al'ha
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:13:00 - [31]
 

No problem with SSAO on 5850.
If I have any problem with SSAO why can not I just turn this off on my side?
wtf?! Evil or Very Mad

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:14:00 - [32]
 

Shopping ATI, is like buying a x-box. Paying for a product to whine about it.

hahahhahhahhahhahha all u un-informed consumers. Hope the forums fill that gap in your lives. LAWL


SHOP SMART? Confused

Beelzebubz
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:15:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Beelzebubz on 21/06/2011 06:17:07
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: crymyname

but this has never mattered for ati .. if you have the best product it will finally win over a dying company like nvidia ..


The one flaw about capitalism: when you reach a stage where capital begins to hinder progress.

Ideally the better product by the little guy would sell replacing the inferior product by the bigger guy. The reality however is that the bigger guy has more capital to hinder the progress of the better product by buying out the little guy and shelving the better product. The better product will never see the light of day again and the bigger guy now has the rights to it as well.

Hence...why we are still dependent on fossil fuels. Big oil companies buy out any innovations in the field and shelve the project for the sake of keeping their customers addicted.

The same principle can apply to most any business model.


thats not really a capitalist system problem thats a monopolistic market problem. there are difference levels of competition and even a duopoly is healthy enough competition for computer components. there have been cases of international microchip firms in the 90s involved in collusion but they were caught, amd and nvidia are not colluding and will be innovating until one of them, probably nvidia, goes under because theyre dumb. amd will always be able to fund ati because theyre also competing with intel for cpus. and even when nvidia does go under someone else will take their place, its not like hiring chinese kids to sauder capacitors on a board is hard

please peddle your propaganda someplace else, comrade Rolling Eyes

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:30:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: P42ALPHA
Shopping ATI, is like buying a x-box. Paying for a product to whine about it.

hahahhahhahhahhahha all u un-informed consumers. Hope the forums fill that gap in your lives. LAWL


SHOP SMART? Confused


Odd, I have zero complaints about AMD cards. It's CCP's use of crippled Physx (to try and force us to buy Nvidia cards like all the other Physx games to date) what's causing the rage. Unless by buying smart you mean falling for their silly PPU BS. Laughing (Also, -1/10. You need more practice.)

Silvery Delight
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:37:00 - [35]
 

CCP failing again. When any company can use SSAO on both ATI/AMD cards and Nvidia, they find a way to to make it stop working with ATI/AMD cards ( or at least they claim they do ). Stopped being a surprise a while ago.

Yoa Loother
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:05:00 - [36]
 

Bump for answers from CCP.

Also graphic card fanboism is really ****en stupid. Please self destruct.

I repeat what the heck is ISL?

Sue Cheng
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:16:00 - [37]
 

Mac (Sandy Bridge i7) with ATI 6970 2GB VRAM

I run Portals 2, all maxed 8xAA -> 60 FPS

I know Eve is handicapped being an emulated game in Cider, but this is bad....
And I still have to use 3rd party apps to get close to "fixed window" mode. (If a third party app can do it, why can't transgaming do it?)

Jonathan Caldar
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:32:00 - [38]
 

CCP, stop scamming your players, support AMD

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:33:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Ciar Meara on 21/06/2011 11:34:28
I noticed it to in the patchnotes.

I have had both ATI and NVID cards both worked fine if you worked out what drivers to update to and what drivers to ignore. I just buy what suits me at that moment.

I don't get that a gamecompany is just going to disable something that is functioning in cards because they have good "contacts" with NVID? I am assuming many other people buy ATI cards also.

I have a HD6950 and AMD processor because I wanted a good system for a lower price, since I do have other obligations then buying the ultimate gaming rig.

Intel had a problem with its sandy bridge at that moment so the choice was clear AMD/ATI combo. But still, that combination gave me a 2 gig powerfull Graphics card and a 6 core processor for half the price of a comparable intel/NVID system.

No need to disable something that we can disable ourself if there are any problems. Besides, CCP needs to program for both GPU's not just those it has good contacts with.

I mean Honestly...dude, Honestly...

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:34:00 - [40]
 

Thanks CCP for canceling the support of subpar brands.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:49:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
CCP gets paid my Nvidia to develop their internet barbie dolls. Did you expect anything less?

Nvidia - we want you to use our product.

CCP - sorry can't do that.

Nvidia - we will give you money for your barbie dolls and world of darkness projects.

CCP -$$$$$$$$$$

Yup, as a Radeon owner I could be raging, but, meh, I've raged enough about stuff. As long as the game remains playable on the Radeon, I don't really care. Nvidia is heading down a one way street anyway, pushing graphics over content so hard, because people are caring less about that these days.

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:51:00 - [42]
 

EVE uses CUDA. Does ATI have CUDA? Nope... Okay then... I'm glad to be an nVidia owner, an nVidia actually CONTRIBUTES to technology.... (Look at Tegra)

Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
The Ancients.
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:51:00 - [43]
 

Fanboyism is stupid. You can get the best of both worlds.

Everytime I buy a new card I look at this list and see which one one the high end cards has the best price performance ratio.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Enthusiast-Index,2674.html
This time for me it happens to be an AMD 6950 next time it might be Nvidia. CCP are *******s to side with one group.

quickshot89
Caldari
89th Logistics
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:51:00 - [44]
 

nvidia is what is inside the ps3 right? maybe that may of helped why why ATI users get shafted :(

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:52:00 - [45]
 

I don't understand all this rage about ATI's capabilities in this game. It was all quite clearly listed under FEATURES. Obviously, CCP wouldn't have call them FEATURES if they were taking capabilities away, would they?

Typecast
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:57:00 - [46]
 

This is nothing new. nVidia has done this loads of times in the past, and so has AMD/ATI to a lesser degree. Bugger all to do with anything from a technology standpoint and everything to do with marketing/PR. There have been cases like this in the past where doing something as simple as spoofing your graphics card ID (so that a game recognises an AMD 6970 as an NV 570 GTX for example) fools games into running with everything enabled.

If CCP have something positive to say about this, they will say it. If they don't, they will probably say nothing. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they reply just to prove me wrong, maybe with a "We can't reply to every thread" response and then fail to answer the questions in this thread.

Disappointing, but money talks...

Yvan Ratamnim
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:58:00 - [47]
 

oh stop *****ing its not because they hate ATI, it's because SSAO on ati is something that has always been buggy as hell

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:58:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/06/2011 11:58:41
I'M STILL WAITING FOR MY WARPUP/WARP3D VERSION SO THAT I CAN PLAY EVE ON MY A1200, CCP!!!1one!

Jokes aside, I can't see why they don't just use DX10, and get it over with. That way, people would be able to use whatever card they want, as long as it met the specifications. Even S3 and Intel supports it now anyway. And no, XP users shouldn't have a say; your OS is ten years old - move on FFS.

Edit: Or just switch to OpenGL.Cool

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:58:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Beelzebubz

ive used both, i had an ati years ago that fell out of the pci slot, but thats on sapphire or whoever the manufacturer was really



You should put screws in the appropriate places when you install hardware Laughing

Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:00:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Ay Liz on 21/06/2011 12:01:57
Originally by: Yoa Loother
Bump for answers from CCP.

Also graphic card fanboism is really ****en stupid. Please self destruct.

I repeat what the heck is ISL?


I thought it may be "Interactive Shading Language". But it doesn't make sense given the context.

ISL is also the NATO country code for Iceland. I really have no idea what ISL means.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:01:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill
Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/06/2011 11:58:41
I'M STILL WAITING FOR MY WARPUP/WARP3D VERSION SO THAT I CAN PLAY EVE ON MY A1200, CCP!!!1one!

Jokes aside, I can't see why they don't just use DX10, and get it over with. That way, people would be able to use whatever card they want, as long as it met the specifications. Even S3 and Intel supports it now anyway. And no, XP users shouldn't have a say; your OS is ten years old - move on FFS.

Edit: Or just switch to OpenGL.Cool


Didn't CCP mention the shift to DX11 a while back? For SOONtm anyway?

flapie 2
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:02:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: P42ALPHA
Shopping ATI, is like buying a x-box. Paying for a product to whine about it.

hahahhahhahhahhahha all u un-informed consumers. Hope the forums fill that gap in your lives. LAWL


SHOP SMART? Confused


Right, sounds like you know a lot about things like GPU's, Rendering, Ambient Occlusion, etc ....
Maybe i should listen to you insted ..... and get stuck on a card that only plays eve and doenst get the rest done that i need.

Fail troll get back into your trollcave plz.

Keltas Mortermain
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:04:00 - [53]
 

ah well still gonna use my ati

had nvidia went ati

personal choice i guess shame on ccp for this but im not gonna lose sleep over it

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:06:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: RiskyFrisky
So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?


Well dont want to sound like an fanboy.. Using AMD processors and ATI graph cards myself... Tho i wished i switched for intel and nVidia some time ago.

Less problems, more power.

Sadly Nvidia takes that more power part sometimes a bit too literal.


Anyway many Nvidia fanboys I see here. Fact is, sometimes Nvidia got the better ones, sometimes AMD, same with processors on AMD vs intel. And usually the difference isnt too large, but when I upgraded my computer last time AMD just released the 58xx series, and fanboys can argue all they want, at that time AMD was clearly a way better option than anything nvidia had.

Haramir Haleths
Caldari
Nutella Bande
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:10:00 - [55]
 

What does that all mean ? Can't i play EVE anymore ?
WTF is SSAO and Open GL and all that ****ty stuff ?

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:18:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/06/2011 12:19:39
Originally by: Ciar Meara

Didn't CCP mention the shift to DX11 a while back? For SOONtm anyway?

:carbon:

Originally by: Haramir Haleths

WTF is SSAO and Open GL and all that ****ty stuff ?

SSAO is described in the OP.
OpenGL is an alternative to Direct3D. It's also much better supported than D3D on non-Windows platforms.

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:24:00 - [57]
 

Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should) I can't say I really care about this predicament that you lot are now in.

I won't berate you over your poor choice, no, in act of mercy, I'll just leave you with a Laughing

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:24:00 - [58]
 

Unless CCP goes allergic to money, it should always run on ATI products.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the performance is nearly identical on both brands, but Nvidia is paying for CCP to say they have EXCLUSIVE AWESOME FEATURES.

It brings a chuckle when CCP, the company that prattles on about being :AWSUM: and doing everything the :hardway:, routinely gets on their knees and blows Nvidia.

Ni'arks Slave
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:33:00 - [59]
 

Bump

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:36:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Patient 2428190
Unless CCP goes allergic to money, it should always run on ATI products.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the performance is nearly identical on both brands, but Nvidia is paying for CCP to say they have EXCLUSIVE AWESOME FEATURES.

It brings a chuckle when CCP, the company that prattles on about being :AWSUM: and doing everything the :hardway:, routinely gets on their knees and blows Nvidia.


...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.


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