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Lei Fai
Posted - 2011.06.20 06:41:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Lei Fai on 20/06/2011 06:48:34
I've read most of the reaction from the player base about the outcome of AT9, and both sides have made some valid points. I'm going to leave my opinion on the matter out of this thread for sake of keeping this constructive.

To this point CCP has done a very good job of staying far away from any thread regarding the finals situation. Judging from the amount of resources invested in the event, and the anger from players, id say CCP can't be too pleased. But with no reaction so far i find myself wondering what the official stance on this is around the CCP office. Dev response would be awesome.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.20 06:49:00 - [2]
 

I have no idea what happened but I'd love to hear about it Very Happy

Emmerik
Gallente
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.20 06:54:00 - [3]
 

Well CCP knew there were a lot of A and B teams.
and chances of serveral matches being rigged we're pretty big.

Lei Fai
Posted - 2011.06.20 06:58:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Emmerik
Well CCP knew there were a lot of A and B teams.
and chances of serveral matches being rigged we're pretty big.



I agree they probably knew a few matches would be rigged, but i dont think they would have hyped and invested the amount of resources that they did knowing the final would noncompetitive

Emmerik
Gallente
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:02:00 - [5]
 

They should try to be more selective on who can/may enter the tournament.
Goonswarm for example (aka PL B team), pure shame they got in and "the real Goonswarm" not(Easy for me to say being a Goon, I know!)

Avensys
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:06:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Avensys on 20/06/2011 07:12:13

We had thrown matches, sold tournament spots, questionable metagaming, ... in previous tournaments.

Not sure why people are so upset this time (does it really mater if those last two ships got killed or not? you got to see how the match would have ended without the hero vindicator) but that's all very much within the spirit of EVE (and tolerated as such).

If you think the "real" EVE outside of AT is one bit different you have probably never left the rookie NPC corp...


Originally by: Emmerik
Goonswarm for example (aka PL B team), pure shame they got in and "the real Goonswarm" not(Easy for me to say being a Goon, I know!)

karttoon represents the "the real Goonswarm" way better than mittens (who indeed is very much about "win eve or die trying").

writing this as a SA goon who is neither in GSF nor PL ...

Emmerik
Gallente
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:10:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Emmerik on 20/06/2011 07:15:23
"If you think the "real" EVE outside of AT is one bit different you have probably never left the rookie NPC corp..."

I centainly don't think that... but whould be a much cooler tournament is stuff whould change... and every year there are treads about it on the forums.

I did not say Goonswarm Federation is better, did I?

Lei Fai
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:17:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Avensys
We had thrown matches, sold tournament spots, questionable metagaming, ... in previous tournaments.

Not sure why people are so upset this time (does it really mater if those last two ships got killed or not? you got to see how the match would have ended without the hero vindicator) but that's all very much within the spirit of EVE (and tolerated as such).

If you think the "real" EVE outside of AT is one bit different you have probably never left the rookie NPC corp...


I think you misunderstand. This isnt a whine thread about the match being rigged, tbh it doesn't bother me either way. while you are right it is a perfect snap shot of the community, i still find it to be a little anticlimactic after all the hype this year. I am just interested to here from ccp what they thought about the whole thing.

Arm Smith
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:18:00 - [9]
 

Has to be said was disapointing.

but everyone knows the truth that hydra got absolutley spanked off the field.

Just ashame they pulled out the 'let us win card'SadSad

Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:26:00 - [10]
 

I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance.

Lei Fai
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:38:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Lei Fai on 20/06/2011 07:42:12
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance.


Huh?

what does it refer to? Also, nothing has been said, so their opinion does not have to change. readable posts only pls

Edit: i would **** up punctuation while insulting someone....

cpu939
Gallente
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:49:00 - [12]
 

personally i think the ending to this AT was great not only did hyrda and outcome beat the others teams they gave us all tears to swim in

Lei Fai
Posted - 2011.06.20 07:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: cpu939
personally i think the ending to this AT was great not only did hyrda and outcome beat the others teams they gave us all tears to swim in


quite true, all the drama has made this AT a much bigger deal than if it would have just ended in a normal fashion.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2011.06.20 08:28:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Avensys
Not sure why people are so upset this time (does it really mater if those last two ships got killed or not? you got to see how the match would have ended without the hero vindicator) but that's all very much within the spirit of EVE (and tolerated as such).

If the final match is not a serious fight then you get to watch a sucker fest and not a tournament. It is never fun to watch those who are having fun. Most people want to see a drama unfold and proper fights down to the last bit of hull, and not teams who are padding one another on the back for successfully meta-gaming the tournament and avoiding all drama.

CCP should kick out teams who throw matches and ban them for one or two tournaments. Bring back the drama and the need for popcorn!

Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.20 08:45:00 - [15]
 

I believe CCP is caught between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, they know their player base consists of adolescent and young adult males acting like prepubescent children tossing herp derp, lololol, and "intnet spaseships iz sereous biznezz" as cool catch phrases. The chest thumping and "my e-peen is bigger than yours beatch" is the foundation of Eve. But on the other hand, CCP wants the appearance of being a professional company with serious goals. Partnering with companies like Sony means CCP wants to play with the big boys; and acting like their core player base just will not cut it in the business world. So in this particular situation, I would not be surprised if CCP remains silent. If they side with their core base, "What a ****ing ending - that was bad ass manipulation!", then a current or potential future business partner might question why many of CCP's player base disliked such an ending. Their reasoning translates into disgruntled customers subtly affects the possible buying habits for these partners' goods and services. And if CCP laments to this year's winners just how bad that ending was (and as of this writing sides with what appears to be a majority of dislikes), these same winners and supporters can claim, "WTF CCP - you let us do this **** the whole year so what is one more day?"

So I feel CCP will remain silent in this matter. But I could be wrong - CCP could be making a statement as I type this out! Rolling Eyes

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.20 08:51:00 - [16]
 

This is EVE. It has happened, it will happen and we should embrace that rather than getting upset. Each terrible thread like this only drives their will to do it even more.

Turn your attention to CCP. They decided not to broadcast the pre-qualifier matches , and that the entire studio format was so they could drag developers in to talk about micro-transaction bull****. What an epic, ****ing waste of money on their part.

Get commentary. Broadcast fights. End of story.

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.06.20 09:35:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: salty Milk on 20/06/2011 09:35:52
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1530601&page=36#1056

Maybe this is CCP's stance.
Maybe you won't like it.
So maybe you will ignore it.

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Empress Chimera
This contest should be nullified. Save the prize for tomorrow.


The winner is the winner whether they throw a match or not. This is EVE and underhand tactics should always be expected.



flapie 2
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.20 10:11:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: salty Milk
Edited by: salty Milk on 20/06/2011 09:35:52
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1530601&page=36#1056

Maybe this is CCP's stance.
Maybe you won't like it.
So maybe you will ignore it.

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Empress Chimera
This contest should be nullified. Save the prize for tomorrow.


The winner is the winner whether they throw a match or not. This is EVE and underhand tactics should always be expected.





Totaly unrelated topic, totaly unrelated reply.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:19:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: flapie 2
Originally by: salty Milk
Edited by: salty Milk on 20/06/2011 09:35:52
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1530601&page=36#1056

Maybe this is CCP's stance.
Maybe you won't like it.
So maybe you will ignore it.

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Empress Chimera
This contest should be nullified. Save the prize for tomorrow.


The winner is the winner whether they throw a match or not. This is EVE and underhand tactics should always be expected.





Totaly unrelated topic, totaly unrelated reply.

Totally unrelated poster talking about their totally unrelated lack of intellect.

Mysterious Warrior
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:23:00 - [20]
 

What was wrong with final? Laedy is best eve player and mighty Laedy space ship killed all other space ships. Good end to tournament, if laedy hadn't won all battle then tournament maybe still going on and have to listen to boring men talking about alliance tournament still. Glad it over; somehow got full screen and I stuck watching space ships and boring talking all afternoon.

flapie 2
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:30:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Discrodia
Totally unrelated poster talking about their totally unrelated lack of intellect.


Owww look a Toll just trolling around, lets take a picture befor they become rare.

Sir Hillary
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:37:00 - [22]
 

I have no issue with the metagaming going on around the tournament. It wouldn't be EVE without backroom deals going on all throughout. However, the final was disapointing, just because it wasn't much of a match. They knew which team was going to "win" going in to the final, again, I have no problem with that. I just would have been nice if they'd had a proper fight down to 1 ship left on one of the teams, and then self distructed to throw the match if the wrong side was ahead (or something like that). Obvious match fixing remains obvious, but we actually get to see a fight.

CCP Soundwave


C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:53:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance.


I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :)

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:00:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance.


I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :)


CCP getting in on the trolling, there's plenty to go round!

also, you're too late, hydrabreak have already decided the final placings for AT10.
Get ready for a twist !!!

Jos Wijnants
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:05:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance.


I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :)


Well ,the staged final is the talk of the day,sure you don,t have to have a stance or opinion about it.Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Rebbecca Black
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:20:00 - [26]
 

I know it was an anticlimactic outcome, but what did you expect them to do.. drop 200 dreads on 50 titans? Oh wait we aren't discussing the end of the NC? So the AT9 had a ton of great fights leading up to an anticlimactic ending?? My bad. These things happen so often in EVE it's easy to get confused.

But that's the beauty of it. You're *****ing about one match out of dozens, and it's no surprise that there is meta gaming. In EVE we don't attempt to hide these things, we embrace it. CRY MOAR Embarassed

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:33:00 - [27]
 

CCP done a great job providing this on eve-tv, revues were really nice comments from the "experts" were some times hilarious, CCP dev's and GM's coming out there and give of their personal time to have opened discussions etc was really awesome.

We had very good matches, some of those were obviously penalised by meta gaming but nothing can be taken about the winners skill when it comes to fight.
What I can say is that their attitude in that last match was like a slap in ccp's face for all they're efforts and to those thousands fans watching and waiting other thing than what we saw.

Feel sorry for everyone putting so much effort to offer us nice stuff and that players actions once again, waste the stuff.
It's ok, it's eve, someone from one of those teams had the decency to come apologise to the community and that deserves /hat off, not sure some one else would do it. But I'm not sure this will be enough to regain Eve community respect again, and that is sad for every one under those flags.

Hoping every one and precisely the participants help CCP improve those rules so this one year event is not wasted any more for so many people.

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:37:00 - [28]
 

Normally CCP would have the PR machine posting away on Facebook and news sites about how well the tourament went.

It's been pretty quiet so far...which is much more telling than any CCP spod replying to a forum post.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.20 13:17:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 20/06/2011 13:28:26
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance.


I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches.


You don't need to, but come on - indulge us.

Peel back the crusty frozen shell and let us take a peek at the inner workings of a company that just had a major PR campaign (costing probably a hundred grand US) get completely trashed.

Of course, you could potentially spin it as a positive - eve: the game so hardcore even the devs get ****ed. I just thought that one up - if you want to use it you can. Very Happy

Brahan Seer
Minmatar
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.20 13:33:00 - [30]
 

Everyone will have forgotten about it this time next week when everyone will be moaning about something else. Such as EVE. Get over it. They have a whole year to sort out some new rules.

Anyway, the final was comedy gold Laughing


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