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Takashi Sama
Posted - 2011.06.19 14:35:00 - [61]
 

Case : Corsair 650D
Motherboard : Z68 Asus
CPU : i7 2600k
CPU Cooler : Corsair H80 or Corsair H100
RAM : 2x4GB Corsair Veng
GPU : 2x 560Ti
PSU : Corsair 750W (Modular)
HDD : 1 TB Barracuda
SSD : OCZ Vertex 2, (OS)
OS : Windows 7 Home Premium 32+64bit
DVD Drive : LG blah

There you go. Get what ever monitors you want. Here is a perfect rig for what you want.

Ladrial
Posted - 2011.06.19 17:59:00 - [62]
 

Thankyou for the advice everyone it is appreciated. I do get confused and will be easy to "mug off" with super expensive components I have taken on board some of that from here so thanks.

Ladrial
Posted - 2011.06.19 18:01:00 - [63]
 

I am probably going for something like this now:

"Ultima Mosasaur" Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz @ 4.60GHz DDR3 Sandybridge System £979.98

Options applied to the above product:
Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) £79.99

Options applied to the above product:
Overclock selected £20.00

Options applied to the above product:
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GLC-00736) £149.99

Options applied to the above product:
OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive (AGT3-25SAT3-120G) £174.98

Options applied to the above product:
MSI ATI Radeon HD 6950 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £224.99

Logitech Z906 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System - 500W RMS (980-000469) £329.00

Iiyama ProLite E2410HDSD 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black Iiyama ProLite E2410HDSD 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black £149.99 £599.96

Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard (920-000978) £99.98

Razer DeathAdder Respawn 3500dpi Xtreme Precision Gaming Mouse - Retail £42.98

Total : £2,728.08

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.19 18:25:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 18:45:21

Originally by: Ladrial
Thankyou for the advice everyone it is appreciated.

What good is advice given if you barely follow tiny parts of it ?
The most important part of the advice should have been "stay away from overclockers.co.uk". Which you completely ignored.
EDIT : they also get quite horrible customer support ratings (in contrast, newegg gets near-perfect ratings on the same site, and scan international actual perfect ratings : scan.co.uk) - woe you if anything you receive will not work properly on arrival, or if something breaks even while under warranty - don't say you haven't been warned.
You have barely altered the original configuration, and you're still paying far more than needed for something that will become a lot less expensive in not that long of a time.

2500 without a K is far less expensive and performs almost as well without overclocking. But you chose the 2600K. Oh well.
Overclocking "selected" ? So you're paying 20 GBP for a setting in BIOS you can manually enable for zero cost ?
Also, permanent overclocking will lead to earlier damage to your machine. Doubt it will still work 5 years from now.
And you don't NEED that overclocking to begin with anyway. Not even with the "slower" CPU.

The speakers are also quite overkill, so unless you plan to entertain an entire sports hall with it, I see no point in such powerful speakers.
Then again, maybe you do want to hold a big house party with them or something. Just don't burn them out.
If you're getting such powerful speakers, whenever you ramp them up, any minor background noise could become quite annoying, and this is one of the very few occasions I would say getting a decent dedicated sound card might actually make sense.
The system you selected has onboard sound, and you haven't mentioned any sound card addition.

Keyboard and mouse, meh, I suppose a matter of taste, but still quite expensive... and for what ?

The monitors you selected get "meh" reviews.
I suppose decent enough for everyday use, but allegedly they have problems displaying the proper color temperature, contrast is supposed to be below average, being a TN panel the vertical view angle is quite bad (the horizontal one not much greater either, and since you'll use two you WILL notice significant distortions at the edges), and the responsiveness is not too good, overdrive mode is finicky, etc.

Ladrial
Posted - 2011.06.19 18:44:00 - [65]
 

Yeah I loked again at the extra items costs and feel that I will very much downgrade them,I dont need the speakers that expensive or the mouse and key board. But every up to date machine seems to go for an i7 processor. As i said I dot know much about this stuff and with the changes happening to the game i dont want to get caught out just after buying a new machine.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.19 18:46:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 18:56:24

Just stay away from that particular retailer.

And you don't need an 2600k, a 2500 will do just fine.
2600K is 3.4 GHz base with 8MB cache and costs ~320$
2500 is 3.3 GHz base with 6MB cache and costs ~200$
The "K" is really just for HEAVY overclockers, and quite frankly, it's seldom worth it (both price and overclocking in general).

Look at what the first post on this page lists, as a rough guideline.

Taint
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.06.19 18:50:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Taint on 19/06/2011 18:52:20
Originally by: Ladrial
there are 2 cards the same 2x gtx 580s

its gonna make alot of noise :)

MSI ATI Radeon HD 6950 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
Its Radeon ............. thats no good :)

Ladrial
Posted - 2011.06.19 18:56:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Ladrial on 19/06/2011 18:57:35
Is that hard drive fast i was told that the more expensive ones make loading allot faster and is 8gb enough ram? Thankyou Takashi Sama that post was really helpfull.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.19 19:04:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 19:21:35

Yes, 8 GB will be quite sufficient for 4 EVE instances.
Heck, even 6 GB will probably just about do it.
If you want though, feel free to get 12 GB or even 16 GB.
RAM is quite friggin' cheap these days, and you never know what else you might end up wanting to run at the same time eventually.
_

A SSD is not a HDD.

A SSD is basically a chunk of memory that doesn't get wiped when you turn the power off, and is obviously quite a bit faster than a regular HDD.

But also a lot, LOT more expensive.
AND there are other drawbacks to a SSD.

For starters, a SSD has a quite limited lifespan.
It's in the number of write cycles. The more you use it, the faster it croaks.
Under 5 years to failure is actually quite usual for normal usage. Earlier for heavy-duty usage.
And if you keep your swap file on it (or god knows what else, and I bet you would use it in the most unfortunate way possible) it may very well croak in 2 years or so.
Heck, it might even croak in a year with careful use if you're even a tad bit unlucky.

And do you really care whether your OS boots up in 18 seconds instead of 1 minute, or if the next level loads in 6 seconds instead of 14 seconds ?
That is, if you can really afford to keep the game on the SSD, since they're usually quite small. If you have usually a lot of games installed at the same time, forget about installing them on the SSD, they won't fit on any reasonably-priced SSD.

There are advantages to a SSD, but for "regular" gaming, a SSD is far from necessary.
Especially for a game like EVE for which you can enable resource caching (isn't it even on by default?) and when you have oodles of RAM (which you plan to have).

A high-speed good quality regular good-old fashioned spinning magnetic plate HDD will usually last much longer and not be that much slower anyway.
Oh, and it will be many times cheaper (for the same total capacity).

Ladrial
Posted - 2011.06.19 21:27:00 - [70]
 

How much RAM can i put on that mother board?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.19 21:37:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 22:10:59
Originally by: Ladrial
How much RAM can i put on that mother board?

Which one ?
Originally by: Takashi Sama
[...]
Motherboard : Z68 Asus
[...]

This one ?

Click on the technical specs tab.
It says "Memory Capacity: 32GB" right there.
Both the 2500 and the 2600K can handle up to 32GB of RAM too.
From the picture of the motherboard on that site, there are 4 memory slots.

So you could stick 4 pieces of 8 GB DDR3 in there if you wanted to, that is, if you can find any place that sells 8 GB sticks.
2 kits of dual channel 2x4 GB (2x2x4=16 total) should be quite enough though.
Depending on model/speed/timings you select, that should cost you anywhere between 130 GBP and 270 GBP.

Takashi suggested 2x4GB Corsair Veng - @1866, CL9 - 16 GB of those would cost you 173 GBP, which is just about near the top of the sweet spot for price/performance.
Personally, I don't really see the need for going quite as high on the RAM clock (mobo supports them too, but listed as "OC").
I would say you can even go as low as two sets of these instead and still call it being in the (lower portion) of the sweet spot : same thing, but @1600 for 141 GBP total.
Or, if you insist on performance, just about in the middle, better two of these : almost the same @1600 but CL8 (lower is better) for 159 GBP total.

Takashi Sama
Posted - 2011.06.20 16:40:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 22:10:59
Originally by: Ladrial
How much RAM can i put on that mother board?

Which one ?
Originally by: Takashi Sama
[...]
Motherboard : Z68 Asus
[...]

This one ?

Click on the technical specs tab.
It says "Memory Capacity: 32GB" right there.
Both the 2500 and the 2600K can handle up to 32GB of RAM too.
From the picture of the motherboard on that site, there are 4 memory slots.

So you could stick 4 pieces of 8 GB DDR3 in there if you wanted to, that is, if you can find any place that sells 8 GB sticks.
2 kits of dual channel 2x4 GB (2x2x4=16 total) should be quite enough though.
Depending on model/speed/timings you select, that should cost you anywhere between 130 GBP and 270 GBP.

Takashi suggested 2x4GB Corsair Veng - @1866, CL9 - 16 GB of those would cost you 173 GBP, which is just about near the top of the sweet spot for price/performance.
Personally, I don't really see the need for going quite as high on the RAM clock (mobo supports them too, but listed as "OC").
I would say you can even go as low as two sets of these instead and still call it being in the (lower portion) of the sweet spot : same thing, but @1600 for 141 GBP total.
Or, if you insist on performance, just about in the middle, better two of these : almost the same @1600 but CL8 (lower is better) for 159 GBP total.


Yeah it does say it can go up to 32gb but there is no need. 6/8gb is more than sufficent for what the guy/girl wants to use it for.

I chose the 1866 1's because you can downclock them slightly to run better with the cpu in a ratio. Which will outperform the 1600's by far as you might have to OC the 1600's a little to be at a nice ratio with the cpu.

That motherboard is best for its price range. Can't get better. If you go with sandybridge i would always consider overclocking them because they can OC so well. Getting to 4.2ghz on 1 is easy. 5ghz+ is when it gets a bit harder.

I've wrote up the specs from experience building alot of peoples PC's and reading overclock.net 08/7

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.06.20 17:32:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 16:59:02
Originally by: Chuffer
pretty much a dead socket. Its waaaaay over priced and basically a dead end in terms of upgrade path.

Let's be honest - when was the last time you ever upgraded only your CPU and kept your old motherboard ?
I've never done that, and I swapped plenty PCs in my long PC-ownership lifetime.

Exactly.... I've too been upgrading for years and right now I have 12 working rigs in my house 3 of them I7's and one I5. I've never upgraded a processor only even if I could...

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.20 17:47:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Ladrial
I am probably going for something like this now:

"Ultima Mosasaur" Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz @ 4.60GHz DDR3 Sandybridge System £979.98

Options applied to the above product:
Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) £79.99

Options applied to the above product:
Overclock selected £20.00

Options applied to the above product:
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GLC-00736) £149.99

Options applied to the above product:
OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive (AGT3-25SAT3-120G) £174.98

Options applied to the above product:
MSI ATI Radeon HD 6950 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £224.99

Logitech Z906 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System - 500W RMS (980-000469) £329.00

Iiyama ProLite E2410HDSD 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black Iiyama ProLite E2410HDSD 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black £149.99 £599.96

Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard (920-000978) £99.98

Razer DeathAdder Respawn 3500dpi Xtreme Precision Gaming Mouse - Retail £42.98

Total : £2,728.08


LOL.
Made my day. I admit, was so far not a good day ... ;)

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.20 18:07:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Akita T

There are advantages to a SSD, but for "regular" gaming, a SSD is far from necessary.
Especially for a game like EVE for which you can enable resource caching (isn't it even on by default?) and when you have oodles of RAM (which you plan to have).


Load Times should decrease in eve, general boot times of a system with a ssd boot device as well. And do not forget eve is limited to 2gb of ram usage. I would not bet any money on it that you won´t notice the difference of a raptor vs a good ssd in eve.

Anyway, as you do not only play eve and reducing load times of your os and your primary used software IS dramatic with ssds I would always use at least a small one (about 64gb) as boot device in any system which is not on a low budget. Still you are right for about any disadvantages of ssds you mentioned, they are expensive, they are still not perfect reliable, they are small and it is unreasonable to install huge software libraries on them. For all those purposes a good raptor raid will be superior. And STILL I would use the raptors + a ssd just to increase my boot times and the load time of my primary used apps.

At least if I would plan to spend money on a system, right now I am planing more along the lines of a small ssd, 6850, 4-core Phenom + board, a few bigger hdds as storage and spend on the stuff just about 300€. Boot times and load times matter to me, and will anyway increase performance in daily use far more than adding more gpu or cpu power.

Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:41:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 20/06/2011 23:41:55
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Also don´t fall for the overhyped intel supremacy. The new intel sandybridge has some severe privacy issues


No, they really don't.

Quote:
all the intel fanbois just don´t want to hear about and therefor ridicule "unbelievers" vehemently.


If by fanboy you mean someone who compares products and then buys whichever one gives the best performance for the least money... right??

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:52:00 - [77]
 

Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.

P.S. Nice rig... Smile

Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr
Vengeance Industrial Militia
Posted - 2011.06.21 10:51:00 - [78]
 

Screw DDR3!

Toshiba is selling XDR RAM now. Get atleast 16 Gigabytes of that instead.

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:04:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Josefine Etrange on 21/06/2011 15:09:53
Originally by: Celeritas 5k
Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 20/06/2011 23:41:55
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Also don´t fall for the overhyped intel supremacy. The new intel sandybridge has some severe privacy issues


No, they really don't.

Quote:
all the intel fanbois just don´t want to hear about and therefor ridicule "unbelievers" vehemently.


If by fanboy you mean someone who compares products and then buys whichever one gives the best performance for the least money... right??


Hey, AMD is winning against Intel on your link. Nice one. (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html#cpuvalue)
And we can clearly see, AMD is not selling any high-end consumer cpus right now, so if you need one really, really bad ass cpu Intel is without competition.
If you just need enough cpu power to make sure it will not be the bottleneck for your gpu(s), than AMDis still more than cable to deliver.

Most funny note after a quick watch of that list:

Intel Xeon X5460 @ 3.16GHz 5,020 $999.99**
vs
AMD Opteron 6128 5,147 $259.99*
vs
Intel Xeon X5492 @ 3.40GHz 5,223 $1,391.29**


And btw, you link to that forum post is funny as hell, a fanboy who did not understand the technology explains why it is no problem. Priceless.

"[This is basically a] remote switch [that] can disable the Intel Sandy Bridge processor if it is ever lost or stolen. So unless someone is a computer thief and does that for a living, this should not affect anyone at all."
Great, or maybe, unless someone else use this feature to brick your hardware. It is not like the cpu automagical detects if it gets stolen, it is just a software switch. Someone is sending the signal, the hardware is bricked.

Oh, and btw I like this feature, I still can understand why people have problems with a feature that can be abused and take away control of their hardware.

Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:48:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 21/06/2011 18:50:51
Originally by: Josefine Etrange
Hey, AMD is winning against Intel on your link. Nice one. (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html#cpuvalue)
And we can clearly see, AMD is not selling any high-end consumer cpus right now, so if you need one really, really bad ass cpu Intel is without competition.
If you just need enough cpu power to make sure it will not be the bottleneck for your gpu(s), than AMDis still more than cable to deliver.

Most funny note after a quick watch of that list:

Intel Xeon X5460 @ 3.16GHz 5,020 $999.99**
vs
AMD Opteron 6128 5,147 $259.99*
vs
Intel Xeon X5492 @ 3.40GHz 5,223 $1,391.29**


I didn't link the cpu value page, I linked the straight performance page. I said earlier on in the thread that AMD is the budget brand and intel is the performance brand; AMD's performance per dollar ratio is better but their top end is nowhere close to intel's. It sounds like we agree here!

AMD chips are great for HTPC builds, regular "internet and microsoft office" builds, and even most gaming builds since 95% of games are GPU limited anyway. That said, you have to scroll halfway down the cpu performance page before you find an AMD chip, clearly Intel is winning in the straight up horsepower department. And yes, that performance does make a difference.

Quote:
And btw, you link to that forum post is funny as hell, a fanboy who did not understand the technology explains why it is no problem. Priceless.

"[This is basically a] remote switch [that] can disable the Intel Sandy Bridge processor if it is ever lost or stolen. So unless someone is a computer thief and does that for a living, this should not affect anyone at all."
Great, or maybe, unless someone else use this feature to brick your hardware. It is not like the cpu automagical detects if it gets stolen, it is just a software switch. Someone is sending the signal, the hardware is bricked.

Oh, and btw I like this feature, I still can understand why people have problems with a feature that can be abused and take away control of their hardware.



You didn't actually read the link, because if you had you'd see written in red towards the top:
Originally by: OCN
This feature is only available in some commercial laptop processors


I linked a source, which linked to several more sources. You didn't. I hope you step on a lego.

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:35:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Celeritas 5k

AMD chips are great for HTPC builds, regular "internet and microsoft office" builds, and even most gaming builds since 95% of games are GPU limited anyway. That said, you have to scroll halfway down the cpu performance page before you find an AMD chip, clearly Intel is winning in the straight up horsepower department. And yes, that performance does make a difference.


Which is not the department that matters at least according to you. Oh, and if we take your 95% to about everyone else. I know btw perfectly well to which pages you linked, and even on your "straight performance page" it is very clear that you get a lot more performance per $ with amd. You know, the values are there as well ;-)


Furthermore you are amusing as well.
Did I read your priceless forum troll link or not? Did you read it? Your source even admit the privacy problems, just do not understand them. I am not sure if you just don´t care about them or if you do not even understand any of the problems.
"Intel got pricey issues" - "No, no they don´t look." - "What a piece of rubbish." - "See, not all intels got privacy problems, and only burglars would care anyway!11!!"

So lets sum up, amd is producing the desktop cpus gamers need, while intel is producing overpriced cpus for everyone AND even more overpriced cpus no one really needs. At least if you have to pay retail prices.
Further more intel is producing a series of mobile cpus which are great, just some of them could brick your rig without further warning.

Lets hug, I love you because you make me laugh.

Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:57:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Josefine Etrange
Originally by: Celeritas 5k

AMD chips are great for HTPC builds, regular "internet and microsoft office" builds, and even most gaming builds since 95% of games are GPU limited anyway. That said, you have to scroll halfway down the cpu performance page before you find an AMD chip, clearly Intel is winning in the straight up horsepower department. And yes, that performance does make a difference.


Which is not the department that matters at least according to you. Oh, and if we take your 95% to about everyone else. I know btw perfectly well to which pages you linked, and even on your "straight performance page" it is very clear that you get a lot more performance per $ with amd. You know, the values are there as well ;-)


Furthermore you are amusing as well.
Did I read your priceless forum troll link or not? Did you read it? Your source even admit the privacy problems, just do not understand them. I am not sure if you just don´t care about them or if you do not even understand any of the problems.
"Intel got pricey issues" - "No, no they don´t look." - "What a piece of rubbish." - "See, not all intels got privacy problems, and only burglars would care anyway!11!!"

So lets sum up, amd is producing the desktop cpus gamers need, while intel is producing overpriced cpus for everyone AND even more overpriced cpus no one really needs. At least if you have to pay retail prices.
Further more intel is producing a series of mobile cpus which are great, just some of them could brick your rig without further warning.

Lets hug, I love you because you make me laugh.



Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Ladrial
Posted - 2011.06.21 23:08:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Ladrial on 21/06/2011 23:13:20
Edited by: Ladrial on 21/06/2011 23:11:25
Edited by: Ladrial on 21/06/2011 23:09:31
I am getting it now much easier as I read more. I think the system that "Takashi Sama" posted (Thanks), does indeed look very good as they are great graphics cards. I have said how I would like to remain upgradable and future-proof if possible so I am now looking at getting a better mother-board to be able to upgrade/improve.

Does my statement about a better motherboard make sense? I was thinking something like this: Rampage III It says this has six memory slots and can take 3 cards in sli and support more RAM

Ok but then I have been reading about the socket and that one is 1366 which the cpu isnt the i7 2600k is a 1155 socket. It seems the 1366 sockets offer more scope for better motherboards which ultimately seem to have a major affect on the machines future capabilities.

Is the 1155 socket going become out of date? Will the 1366 socket live longer? If im talking absolute s**t please say so Im learning!

Avrien
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.22 01:59:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Avrien on 22/06/2011 03:06:32
Have you thought about linux instead of windows. You will save several hundred dollars and EVE runs pretty nice on WINE. You don't notice it isn't native. A problem does come up there is a good chance it just needs to have a setting changed in WINE. I've run two accounts on my setup but it stalls after I start running the stupid linux excel program and all the other junk. I keep open. I think it's processor overload. but I only have a 6600 core2 quad core and 4GB DDR2 ram. It almost run them without hickups on max settings. Get some lag though after a bit if I'm switching back and forth a lot between desktops.

I'm currently running:

CPU: Intel Core2 6600 quad core
MBO: Gigabyte GB-EP35-DSR3(did I spell that last part correctly?)
MEM: G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800 PC 10000
VID: Gigabyte GeForce 8800GT 512MB (TurboForce edition NX88T Series Graphics Accelerator?!)
Sound: Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro(not using atm because 7.1 speakers are dead. Using onboard.)
POW: Corsair TX650W
OS: Ubuntu 11.04 Linux 64Bit(FREE!!!!)

I can run 2 windowed version at max in WINE(program to translate Directx into Opengl code or something for compatability.). Though it can get hickups at max. Can run at preformance level with spreadsheets and other stuff up. Though I have to not push it. 8) Did I forget anything? You can always use linux first then install windows. It is friendlier that way. then you can choose to spend the money afterwords.

Of course I don't fly with a lot of ships in the immediate vicinity. though I spend time in systems with 100-200 ships.

And I am only running one monitor. I had 2 but the one was too small and got tired of looking at it. The multiple desktops switchable with windows+s. Not sure how anything past windows XP works in that regards. Or I forget I did use windows 7 for a class but forget how the desktop works. I heard something has the same features. I'm guessing the linux is a copy of the windows desktop features or vice versa. Linux and all programming is not as gunhoe or education based(or it's just ubuntu) as it was 10-30 years ago but linux is still a good working free options. And does most of what you would want if not all if you are jumping from windows.





Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:37:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
If it's running at 2,600 Kelvin you've got some serious problems.


naw it just means its running as hot as an old prescott core or a current era video card.

Ladrial
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:25:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Ladrial on 26/06/2011 22:52:04


With the advice taken here is the new planned PC that I will build myself and not overclock: Total £2660 all in (everything)


PSU: Linkage
750W Corsair HX Series, Modular, 80 PLUS Silver, 90% Eff', SLI/CrossFire, EPS 12V

CASE: Linkage
Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Black Mid Tower Case with Side Window w/o PSU

CPU: Linkage
Intel Core i7 2600K Unlocked, S1155, Sandy Bridge, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, GPU 850Mhz 8MB Cache, 95W OEM

Motherboard: Linkage
Asus P8Z68-V PRO, Intel Z68, S 1155, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR3 2200(OC), SATA 6Gb/s, RAID, ATX, HDMI

CPU COOLER: Linkage
Corsair H100 Hydro Series Extreme Performance CPU cooler, S775/1155/1156/1366/2011/AM2/AM3

GPU: 2X Linkage
2 X 2GB Point of View GTX 560 Ti Charged, 4008MHz GDDR5, GPU 860MHz, Shader 1721MHz, 384 Cores, mHDMI


RAM: 2X Linkage
2 x 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance Blue, DDR3 PC3-14900(1866), Non-ECC Unbuffered, 9-10-9-27, XMP, 1.50V


SSD: Linkage
120GB OCZ Technology Vertex 3, 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Sandforce SSD, Read 550MB/s, Write 500MB/s, 60K IOPS

DVD:
LG GH22NS50 22x DVD±R, 16xDVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RWx6 ,12xRAM SATA, Black, OEM

OS:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Retail (Green) 32 & 64 Bit


MONITORS:
27" Asus VE278Q LED, 1920 x 1080, 2ms, 300 cd/m, HDMI/D-Sub/DVI-D/DisplayPort

2 X 21.5" Asus VE228H LED, 1920 x 1080, 5ms, 250 cd/m, 1080p, HDMI/D-Sub/DVI-D


MOUSE/K-BOARD/SPEAKERS:
Logitech G500 Gaming Mouse Laser, 5700dpi, USB, Weight Tuning, 10 Programmable Buttons & Memory

Logitech G510 Gaming Keyboard, Programmable, LCD Panel, Custom Colour Back Lit

Corsair Gaming Audio Series SP2500 High-power 2.1 PC Speaker System, 232Watts RMS, Wired controller


Please let me know what you think it has taken a long time to work all this out as im not a professional at all in fact until a few weeks ago I had never looked at buying components as opposed to a pre-made. Of course I would like some feedback from you guys before I go ahead and order that lot!!

Thanks in advance and thanks for all your help in this post.

Ghost Nightmare
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:00:00 - [87]
 

I have a very similar setup

I7 2600k @ 4.6ghz
8gb DDR3 2100mhz
2 x Nvidia 570s.
Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard

Unfortunately, even with the two 570s my computer fails to run eve on 3 screens effectively.

(Runs 6 clients max settings on 2 screens perfectly but with 3 clients on low settings on 3 monitors it lags like a #$%@.)

Not entirely sure why, perhaps I need a 3rd 570?

So one 580 wont cut it and I doubt 2 will either, youll probably need 3.

(Unless someone can explain why it doesn't like 3 clients on 3 screens, it doesnt make any sense, my old 280m ran 3 clients on its own easy...)

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:34:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Ladrial
stuff


Lookin' good - but don't forget to install the 64 bit version of Windows 7, as all that juicy RAM will need it.

AK

Ladrial
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:21:00 - [89]
 

I now intend to have 3 monitors one large and two small and run 3 -5 clients I hope the machine above will do this if not I really don't want it!

The guy on the phone at scan really couldn't understand why I didn't want it over clocked he was quite surprised in fact.

Those cards I have in the build as recommended by another poster are 2GB each so I hope they can run 3-5 accounts on 3 Monitors. Trouble is adding a third card really limits which mobo you can go for.


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