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Ilah Gruhbarn
Posted - 2011.06.16 21:03:00 - [31]
 

tengu fit was not bad bar shield booster that could be complex one,thing is that 3rd room have slight chance to auto aggro = 1500dps+ for short time(until you drop some ships).

it usually don't happen and only one group aggro but if your ship isn't tanked well(read gank fit) and/or cant drop scram frigs and whole room aggro it will pop.

Gavin DeVries
Posted - 2011.06.16 22:33:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Amdor Renevat
Rooms 2a and 2b both have 2x spy ships and if you attack those ships you pull room agro. The way I get around this is to have my drones attack the spies and when you pull in the drones the agro goes away.


Actually, you have it backwards. Attacking the spies works perfectly fine as long as you do it yourself with only missiles or turrets. It's using drones or a fleetmate that screws things up and gives you full room aggro.

Amdor Renevat
Posted - 2011.06.16 23:40:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Gavin DeVries
Originally by: Amdor Renevat
Rooms 2a and 2b both have 2x spy ships and if you attack those ships you pull room agro. The way I get around this is to have my drones attack the spies and when you pull in the drones the agro goes away.


Actually, you have it backwards. Attacking the spies works perfectly fine as long as you do it yourself with only missiles or turrets. It's using drones or a fleetmate that screws things up and gives you full room aggro.


Ran it about 3 days ago. I fly several ships at once and used the non-agro ship drones to kill the spies. No room agro on the ships launching drones. Used two different ships, two different groups of drones and the only room agro went to the drones.

Half a year ago I shot one of the spies with a maelstrom and ended up losing said maelstrom when it pulled room agro.


Diamaht Nevain
Gallente
Avatar Union
Posted - 2011.06.16 23:55:00 - [34]
 

I think a lot of you guys are trying too hard to omni tank. I would lose the invulnerability fields and switch amps accourding to the damage you will be facing during that mission. That will give you quite a bit more tank.

grumpyguts1
Posted - 2011.06.17 01:19:00 - [35]
 

If you scared to loose it.. over tank it.. I do... don't care what others think about the fit I use. It works for me in WH's and in missions. I just warp in, sit dead still and shoot stuff... Its fairly cheap and the High EHP means the SB works less. Could it be improved upon.. hell yeah.. but why .. it works. As for mission specific tanking, you shouldn't have to..

Tengu

Gavin DeVries
Posted - 2011.06.17 01:24:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Amdor Renevat
Ran it about 3 days ago. I fly several ships at once and used the non-agro ship drones to kill the spies. No room agro on the ships launching drones. Used two different ships, two different groups of drones and the only room agro went to the drones.

Half a year ago I shot one of the spies with a maelstrom and ended up losing said maelstrom when it pulled room agro.




Interesting, perhaps the aggro ship can use missiles/turrets but not drones while the others can use drones but no turrets. I've run it many many times in a Tengu (though admittedly not for a couple of months now so it could have changed) that has no drones and never gotten aggro from killing the spies. It's just me, though, no other ships.

Tenzeck
Posted - 2011.06.17 02:18:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Diamaht Nevain
I think a lot of you guys are trying too hard to omni tank. I would lose the invulnerability fields and switch amps accourding to the damage you will be facing during that mission. That will give you quite a bit more tank.


The problem with that is in WC you face several different factions that pretty much cover the range of damage types.

I'd like to see the original poster's fit to see what he's doing wrong other than the faction medium booster. That just doesn't work.

It's really pretty hard to even take damage in a level 4 mission with a basic small booster Tengu with an afterburner. You must have some things drastically off, and we could probably have you straightened out in a couple of minutes if you post your fit and let us tweak it for you.

Get a small pithi b-type booster if you can't afford the expensive medium boosters. In fact, I would get the small booster anyway as it allows you to go without any cap mods or rigs, saving room for more important things like:

Fit 2x Rigor II and 1x Flare II rigs, assuming you're a HML fit.

Republic fleet AB in the mid, then the rest tank.

That's the basic idea, at least.

Diamaht Nevain
Gallente
Avatar Union
Posted - 2011.06.17 05:01:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Tenzeck
Originally by: Diamaht Nevain
I think a lot of you guys are trying too hard to omni tank. I would lose the invulnerability fields and switch amps accourding to the damage you will be facing during that mission. That will give you quite a bit more tank.


The problem with that is in WC you face several different factions that pretty much cover the range of damage types.

I'd like to see the original poster's fit to see what he's doing wrong other than the faction medium booster. That just doesn't work.

It's really pretty hard to even take damage in a level 4 mission with a basic small booster Tengu with an afterburner. You must have some things drastically off, and we could probably have you straightened out in a couple of minutes if you post your fit and let us tweak it for you.

Get a small pithi b-type booster if you can't afford the expensive medium boosters. In fact, I would get the small booster anyway as it allows you to go without any cap mods or rigs, saving room for more important things like:

Fit 2x Rigor II and 1x Flare II rigs, assuming you're a HML fit.

Republic fleet AB in the mid, then the rest tank.

That's the basic idea, at least.


He's right about the fittings. If you are going to spend 500 - 600 mil on the ship then you should put another 300 mil into officer or faction fittings. They make a big difference.

Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics
Damned Nation
Posted - 2011.06.17 05:27:00 - [39]
 

Patience, patience.. I don't fly a Tengu but have flown WC a gazillion times, both solo and with my alt. Lost a cane in there once.

The way I deal with the spies is by flying away from the other groups while picking them off one by one. Who cares if I'm webbed? The Navy Mega tank (and I can only assume Tengu's also) can handle the divided DPS and once I'm 50km or so away from most ships I open up on spies with drones, regaining speed tank. The tricky bit in WC is the different resists needed for the 2 rats and it depends on which rats it is. Since I armor tank I usually dock and swap hardeners between pockets.

Miriiah
Posted - 2011.06.17 07:14:00 - [40]
 

[Tengu, Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Domination 10MN Afterburner
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Domination Target Painter (PWNAGE painter if you want cheaper option)

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

This is pretty much the best Tengu fit you can get for 4's

Warpshade
Posted - 2011.06.17 12:18:00 - [41]
 

What implants do you use? I would recommend looking at buying a Crystal implant set before higher priced mods.

Thayer Vimes
Posted - 2011.06.17 16:18:00 - [42]
 

Been out of town for a couple days and just coming back to this. To those who asked for the fit: I don't have it saved, so I apologize. 6 HML's, domination medium booster, faction AB, 2 specific hardeners, 1 PWNAGE, 1 cap recharger ii. BCU's in the lows. Loading accelerator rig and 2 CCC's I think. So. What I learned:

- 2 small deadspace boosters and no amp will tank > a medium deadspace booster with no amp.

- Worlds Collide can sometimes be mean. Probably shouldn't have used it as my test mission.

- Pithum C or B-type medium with amp would suffice. (C/D?)

- Large deadspace booster is probably overkill and can't deal with fluctuations in dps as well.

- Rigors/CCC's to taste/skills (no consensus really).


Like I said before, I think part of my problem was accidental aggro on Worlds Collide. Next time I'll make sure to deck it out in some more expensive gear and work up to some of the higher dps environments. Honestly if it wasn't for the webs I would have been fine. I'll probably use a Nighthawk until I feel like blowing more isk on a Tengu.

thanks for the input.

PS typing on these forums on Internet Explorer is monumentally annoying. Unfortunately it's all I have at work.

Insane Randomness
Posted - 2011.06.17 22:18:00 - [43]
 

Agreed with Krusty, the tengu IS versatile. HOWEVER, my personal belief is that you CANNOT speed tank it, as I have tried. The idiots whom say you only need a 300-400 tank are just BSing you. Some people have said you can get away with 650 omni-tank. Probably, but I've cut it close sometimes. My personal belief is that you need a 750 DPS omni-tank to run all L4's safely. Thats what I run, a cap stable Large shield booster outputting 750 DPS onmi. The tank has never gone beneath 95% unless really pushed to the limits. A c-type medium will DEFINITELY get you the required tank, but good luck for finding one less than 400 mil. 500 mil? For an X-type? And a 400 mil booster even? You might as well post a sign over your thrusters saying "Here suicide ganker. Here suicide ganker. I has a BIG juicy faction fit Tengu for you to pop."

The only other option you have besides a large shield booster is the dual B-type smalls, those tend to work SLIGHTLY better than the single large, but the single large does just as good for a tenth of the price.

Standard missiles will kill frigs fine, just make sure you have an adequate tank. Ask a buddy to help you out and test it if you have too.

The Tengu's strength is in the amount of shield it gives you per round. Aye, resistances are good, but you need some serious boosting per round. Some low grade crystals will help too, I use those.

A nighthawk will do the job almost as good as a Tengu, it's just a bit slower, but a lot cheaper. And you don't have the loss of skillpoints if you lose it.

Test Build
Posted - 2011.06.18 08:59:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Test Build on 18/06/2011 09:05:54
This is why rigors suck.

Tengu vs unknown frig (32 sig @ 591m/s)

no rigs no EW 56 dps

1x t2 rigor no EW 69 dps
2x t2 rigor no EW 84 dps
2x t2 rigor + t2 Flare no EW 98 dps

1x t2 flare no EW 66 dps
2x t2 flare no EW 78 dps
2x t2 flare + t2 rigor no EW 95 dps

no rigs +Rep Fleet TP 102 dps
no rigs +Fed Navy Web 154 dps
no rigs +TP +Web 303 dps


For the sake of 1 midslot (the web) you outperform your precious flare/rigors. All mission frigs will be under 14kms. Pack both a web and tp and you'll most likely 1 shot them.

Don't take my word for it..do the maths yourself. Maybe you'll stop sucking. It's not open to debate, this is the way it is. Rigors/flares just suck.


Edit: T2 scourge furys used. Obviously you'll get better results with faction ammo.

Test Build
Posted - 2011.06.18 09:19:00 - [45]
 

Anytime you want to, send this character a mail and I'll pull one of my tengu pilots out of the WH and come show you how rediculous they really are.

We can do the rigor/flare/tp/web testing for you as well if you like, although I've already tested it to my satisfaction, but there's always people that aren't convinced.

You should test it for yourself ideally, just buy the mods load up some furys and take note how much they hit for. It's a no brainer.

Amdor Renevat
Posted - 2011.06.18 09:22:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Insane Randomness
Agreed with Krusty, the tengu IS versatile. HOWEVER, my personal belief is that you CANNOT speed tank it, as I have tried. The idiots whom say you only need a 300-400 tank are just BSing you. Some people have said you can get away with 650 omni-tank. Probably, but I've cut it close sometimes. My personal belief is that you need a 750 DPS omni-tank to run all L4's safely. Thats what I run, a cap stable Large shield booster outputting 750 DPS onmi. The tank has never gone beneath 95% unless really pushed to the limits. A c-type medium will DEFINITELY get you the required tank, but good luck for finding one less than 400 mil. 500 mil? For an X-type? And a 400 mil booster even? You might as well post a sign over your thrusters saying "Here suicide ganker. Here suicide ganker. I has a BIG juicy faction fit Tengu for you to pop."

The only other option you have besides a large shield booster is the dual B-type smalls, those tend to work SLIGHTLY better than the single large, but the single large does just as good for a tenth of the price.

Standard missiles will kill frigs fine, just make sure you have an adequate tank. Ask a buddy to help you out and test it if you have too.

The Tengu's strength is in the amount of shield it gives you per round. Aye, resistances are good, but you need some serious boosting per round. Some low grade crystals will help too, I use those.

A nighthawk will do the job almost as good as a Tengu, it's just a bit slower, but a lot cheaper. And you don't have the loss of skillpoints if you lose it.


Could you post your fit please.

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2011.06.18 10:25:00 - [47]
 

There is 2 Tengu fit I can think of which are not a waste of firepower:

[Tengu, Ultimate]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Gistum B-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Invulnerability Field II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


[Tengu, Ultimate Level 4 v2]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Gistum B-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Invulnerability Field II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


And yes, one small shield booster is enough even for Worlds Collide and EA bonus room.

Miriiah
Posted - 2011.06.18 11:23:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Insane Randomness
Agreed with Krusty, the tengu IS versatile. HOWEVER, my personal belief is that you CANNOT speed tank it, as I have tried. The idiots whom say you only need a 300-400 tank are just BSing you. Some people have said you can get away with 650 omni-tank. Probably, but I've cut it close sometimes. My personal belief is that you need a 750 DPS omni-tank to run all L4's safely. Thats what I run, a cap stable Large shield booster outputting 750 DPS onmi. The tank has never gone beneath 95% unless really pushed to the limits. A c-type medium will DEFINITELY get you the required tank, but good luck for finding one less than 400 mil. 500 mil? For an X-type? And a 400 mil booster even? You might as well post a sign over your thrusters saying "Here suicide ganker. Here suicide ganker. I has a BIG juicy faction fit Tengu for you to pop."

The only other option you have besides a large shield booster is the dual B-type smalls, those tend to work SLIGHTLY better than the single large, but the single large does just as good for a tenth of the price.

Standard missiles will kill frigs fine, just make sure you have an adequate tank. Ask a buddy to help you out and test it if you have too.

The Tengu's strength is in the amount of shield it gives you per round. Aye, resistances are good, but you need some serious boosting per round. Some low grade crystals will help too, I use those.

A nighthawk will do the job almost as good as a Tengu, it's just a bit slower, but a lot cheaper. And you don't have the loss of skillpoints if you lose it.
ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused Wow. wth. not speedtank a Tengu?

Mar Lee
An Army of None
Posted - 2011.06.18 20:13:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Test Build
Edited by: Test Build on 15/06/2011 22:23:22
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Test Build

DONT USE LAME ASS RIGORS/FLARES OMFG




Confirming that damage projection is stupid and you didn't need to kill those elite warp scrambling frigates, anyway.


Hey bro..i've been doing this **** for 5 years *snip* Please keep it civil. Spitfire. I haven't lost a ship in a mission since I was flying a brutix nearly 5 years ago.

Who gives a sht if you're scrammed, there's no warping out NO WARPING OUT EVER


This thread is about Tengus.

Tengus speed tank.

Scramming frigates are webbing frigates.

Mar Lee
An Army of None
Posted - 2011.06.18 20:31:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Insane Randomness
Agreed with Krusty, the tengu IS versatile. HOWEVER, my personal belief is that you CANNOT speed tank it, as I have tried. The idiots whom say you only need a 300-400 tank are just BSing you. Some people have said you can get away with 650 omni-tank. Probably, but I've cut it close sometimes. My personal belief is that you need a 750 DPS omni-tank to run all L4's safely. Thats what I run, a cap stable Large shield booster outputting 750 DPS onmi. The tank has never gone beneath 95% unless really pushed to the limits. A c-type medium will DEFINITELY get you the required tank, but good luck for finding one less than 400 mil. 500 mil? For an X-type? And a 400 mil booster even? You might as well post a sign over your thrusters saying "Here suicide ganker. Here suicide ganker. I has a BIG juicy faction fit Tengu for you to pop."

The only other option you have besides a large shield booster is the dual B-type smalls, those tend to work SLIGHTLY better than the single large, but the single large does just as good for a tenth of the price.

Standard missiles will kill frigs fine, just make sure you have an adequate tank. Ask a buddy to help you out and test it if you have too.

The Tengu's strength is in the amount of shield it gives you per round. Aye, resistances are good, but you need some serious boosting per round. Some low grade crystals will help too, I use those.

A nighthawk will do the job almost as good as a Tengu, it's just a bit slower, but a lot cheaper. And you don't have the loss of skillpoints if you lose it.


Your personal belief is wrong.

I bolded your problems.

First, there are very few missions where you really need an omni-tank. Use specific hardeners. Don't be lazy.

Second, you're way overtanked. You don't need to tank the entire room for the entire mission - you just need enough to keep you barely alive (say, 30% shield) during the first few minutes of the room. As you kill rats, incoming DPS drops. Overtanking means less gank means you take longer and have to tank more.

Third, learn to eve-survival. I run missions in a speed-tanked Tengu (with AB), control spawns, and dispose of webbing frigates first. If need be, with 100km range on missiles, I can orbit at 70-80 km and take essentially no damage. I usually don't need to.

Fourth: standard missiles on a Tengu? I hope that's some sort of typo.

BUT. All that being said. I understand that flying a small, relatively fragile, ship, which costs as much as a Marauder and takes a level 5 skill with it when it blows up, makes a lot of people paranoid. That's fine. If you feel safer with a 750 DPS omnitank, go for it! But there's a tradeoff there: you will need a more expensive fit, and you will run missions more slowly (because of the lower DPS).

(Don't worry about suicide gankers targeting your faction fit Tengu. If you use insta-undocks, nobody should get a chance to scan you. And you should be using insta-undocks, because Tengus are so fragile (12k base EHP against EM) that a single volley from a Maelstrom can take one out if it doesn't have its hardeners running. I know people who sit on undocks and gates and target random Tengus just for the heck of it.)

Crystal implants are very nice. I use Talons, though :)

Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
Posted - 2011.06.18 21:30:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 18/06/2011 21:56:12
Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 18/06/2011 21:49:57
All y'all are fitting your mission tengus wrong. You're being wimps, and sacrificing DPS for extra tank, when if you fly right you won't need it. Heavy missiles and medium shield boosters are for chumps, and don't even get me started on PDSes and CCCs... a 3 slot tank is all you need.

Proper fit-
[Tengu, pve]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

This gets you ~ 40km range, 850 DPS, 650 m/s, a web, painter, and over 500 dps tank if you fit mission specific hardeners. Web+painter destroys elite frigs, just kill them first. You can swap out various faction mods... And let's be honest, the only way a level 4 mission can be fun is if making a mistake means losing your ship. Twisted Evil

Though I will admit, this fit is not AFK friendly at all.
EDIT: Also I think you need a 2% pg implant for it to fit.
EDIT 2: In EFT I have it listed as an A type, but in game I'm using a B-type shield booster. Guess the A was too expensive... bought this fit awhile ago.

lordlulzs
Posted - 2011.06.19 01:23:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: lordlulzs on 19/06/2011 01:25:59
Holy fraking poo pile.

The fits I have seen in this thread have made my already low IQ drop even further, darn you.. I shall see you in hell!!

Behold, the only good tengu mission setup.

Blitz them you ninnies! Anything else is plain inefficient, and if your not being efficient then you totally misunderstand the purpose of eve!

Low:
4 Faction BCU's

Mid:
2 PWN target painters
2 Invuln II
Pith C Medium Shield booster
Republic fleet 10 MN Ab

High:
6 HML's II with mission specific damage

Rigs:
3 medium warhead Rigors (Tech II if you don't wanna half ass it)

plants
5% HML damage
5% Missile ROF
5% explosion radius

Primary all elite frigs first if mission cannot be blitzed


and may the piwates have mercey on your soul, which won't happen if your smart and have cloak alts watching for ganks.

Edit: im not even going to post the correct subsystem setup as there is ONLY ONE, don't attempt to troll otherwise.


Marcus McTavish
Posted - 2011.06.19 03:36:00 - [53]
 

I don't know how you lost your ship to that.
My Tengu fit:

Lows:
4 tech 2 Ballistic Control Units

Medium:
1 Phased Target Painter
1 Republic Fleet Target Painter
2 Gisti B type mission specific hardeners
1 Pithii C-type SMALL SHIELD BOOSTER
1 Caldari Navy Shield Booster Amp

Highs:
6 Tech 2 HMLs

Rigs:
2 Tech 2 Rigors
1 Tech 2 Flare

Subs:
Shield Amp
Dissolution sequencer
Accelerated Ejection sub
Fuel Catalyst
Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

This fit works fine, i dont have any crystal implants, only a +3% hml damage.

Just warp to the next room, turn on ab, orbit standalone structure, use precision missiles and target painter to kill frigs, then fury for cruisers, battlecruisers, and battleships

In retrospect, the only time i lost a tengu in a level 4 was in a rouge drones mission, when i tried to set my tengu to orbit before switching to my salvage alt. I come back to the tengu stuck in a structure (This was when i still had 3 days till tech 2 missiles). All you need is speed and a little tank, past that, you could possibly get away with a tank only using the booster for 5 or so cycles

Professor Villinghopper
Posted - 2011.06.19 05:47:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Professor Villinghopper on 19/06/2011 05:52:25
Edited by: Professor Villinghopper on 19/06/2011 05:51:24
[Tengu, Setup]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Target Painter II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Is what I typically use, needs pg implant or meta 4 LSE. Can use two T2 BCS to replace two of the factions and still have enough cpu to fit. Throw in some implants and you can crank out some fairly nasty damage.

Compromise between hitting frigs and killing Battleships faster with 1 T2 rof rig, and 2 flares. LSE because it typically means I'm not getting suicide ganked, also gives you time to kill little webbing frigs if you feel like you actually need the time. Web + TP is faster for that, but LSE is always in use. Web is only rarely used. Since I usually have a random alt floating in space somewhere, I fleet him so I can bonus myself. Adds up to decent ehp.

Celia Therone
Posted - 2011.06.19 07:22:00 - [55]
 

Did you have Scourge Fury loaded in your launchers? Those bloom your sig radius, causing you to take more damage and do hardly any damage to elite frigates due to their huge explosion radius. Regular Scourge Heavy Missiles are much better, Scourge Precision are even better against close range frigates but not so much better that it makes much of a difference.

Did you overload your modules, that can really help if it looks like you're going down.

Did you have an afterburner fit? Even webbed you should be able to mitigate some of the incoming damage.

It seems like you died really quickly... Normally I can just sit still in WC room 3 in my Tengu and just blow up everything at will. I don't think that I've seen scrambling frigates there for a couple of years (lost a domi to Angel scramblers and full room aggro once).

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.19 11:50:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Thayer Vimes

I make it through the first couple of rooms. A little shaky. It downs the enemies fast but I was getting a lot more incoming damage than I wanted. The medium booster was having a hard time keeping up. I did not have a boost amp fitted, electing instead to have higher shield resists.

Teetering on uneasiness, I decided to hit the third room anyway. I'm no carebear but I haven't lost a ship to a mission in many months. As soon as I hit the room I am webbed and scrammed by some elite frigates - must have run into them on accident. I try to move away, killing off the frigates, but I only pop two before my shiny new Tengu explodes in a puff of logic and good intentions.

I wouldn't say you're an idiot, but it's unnecessary to lose your Tengu there. I recently did Worlds Collide in my Tengu for the first time too. Sure, the Serpentis dished out some hefty DPS. Shield got down to nearly 50% for a moment -- which is way out of my comfort zone, but nowhere near losing the ship. And, in hindsight, it were better had I tanked more for Thermal.

I did fly in, not with my max DPS boat, though, but with one that has 2x rigor II + 1 Flare rig (and heavies). It still gives me 643 DPS, but is extremely effective against small frigs. It also has 2x ECCM fitted (mainly for unprobability); but the latter comes in handy for actual anti-jamming too. Now, you can never fully prevent jamming by Guristas, but I usually get jammed maybe only once or twice in missions with them.

Assuming you already know this, but it also helps to fit a good AB.

Tester128
Fremen Sietch
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.06.19 11:52:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Tester128 on 19/06/2011 12:15:23
I approve of using mission specific hardeners
it makes the em hole so much more inviting for the big guns

> in missioning the LSE certainly has no place:

I also strongly approve this statement

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.19 12:05:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Professor Villinghopper

Compromise between hitting frigs and killing Battleships faster with 1 T2 rof rig, and 2 flares. LSE because it typically means I'm not getting suicide ganked, also gives you time to kill little webbing frigs if you feel like you actually need the time. Web + TP is faster for that, but LSE is always in use. Web is only rarely used. Since I usually have a random alt floating in space somewhere, I fleet him so I can bonus myself. Adds up to decent ehp.


A Tengu is not a Drake! Unless you need it for very specific roles in which buffer tanking somehow is required, in missioning the LSE certainly has no place: one of your primary assets is your small sig radius; you don't want to screw that up with shield extenders.

Also, the Tengu's entire design philosophy is built around shield boosting (Amplification Node) and speed (Fuel Catalyst). Use it like that.

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2011.06.19 12:09:00 - [59]
 

Lse is completely fine as it lowers chance of dying to suicide ganker.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.19 12:19:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Lse is completely fine as it lowers chance of dying to suicide ganker.

There's better ways to do that (like using a scout alt).

And if you think one lousy LSE will make suicide gankers go 'Oh noos, now we can't gank him any more!', then you're seriously deluding yourself. They'd just bring 1x Arty ship extra. Solved.


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