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Thayer Vimes
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:04:00 - [1]
 

Posting on an alt, because this is embarassing.

After hearing for months that the Tengu was the superior mission running/blitzing ship, I sprung for one with a Domination medium booster and some faction or another AB, t2 mission-specific hardeners. I had the usual subsystem cocktail for level 4 Tengu's posted ad nauseam on this forum and others.

I have used the buffer Tengu in wormholes in the past (with logistics) so I'm not entirely unfamiliar with the ship's capabilities. I needed something to bust up the occasional Angels mission (doing missions mostly against Sansha/Bloods) so it seemed a good fit.

So I finally get the thing fitted and back to my mission hub. 600m or so, but I figure I will make that back relatively soon. Worlds Collide comes up, no big deal. I decide to blitz it with my brand new shiny Tengu.

I make it through the first couple of rooms. A little shaky. It downs the enemies fast but I was getting a lot more incoming damage than I wanted. The medium booster was having a hard time keeping up. I did not have a boost amp fitted, electing instead to have higher shield resists.

Teetering on uneasiness, I decided to hit the third room anyway. I'm no carebear but I haven't lost a ship to a mission in many months. As soon as I hit the room I am webbed and scrammed by some elite frigates - must have run into them on accident. I try to move away, killing off the frigates, but I only pop two before my shiny new Tengu explodes in a puff of logic and good intentions.

Now I'm not an idiot. Seriously. Despite losing a very nice ship in a dumb situation. Feel free to laugh at me. I'm just confused about a couple of things:
1) Are Tengus only to be used in missions where there are no web/scram frigs? Does the transversal really matter even with the high resists? I have fought t3's in standup battles that were webbed to the point of being stationary and still took very little damage, so someone enlighten me as I'm obviously not seeing something. I definitely dropped fast, and my shield skills are acceptable (no less than level 4 in each skill).
2) Are shield amps essential? Would that have kept me alive longer, despite the loss of resists?
3) Should I just use a Nighthawk instead?
4) Is the third room of WC just really heavy on dps to the point where a Tengu is a bad idea? I don't do missions enough to know, really. I do know the triggers and stuff.

Advice/aspersions are all welcome. I'd like to use the Tengu for its speedy blitzing capabilities but I'm loathe to purchase another one if I'm bound to lose it again.

KrustyKrab
Can We Haz Your Stuff
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:25:00 - [2]
 

if you are jumping into a room where you know there are scram frigs, load up precisions and take them out first. Your tengu can easily tank entire rooms as long as you aren't webbed down too far.

second, spend the isk to get at least a C-type Pithum medium shield booster and a T2 or faction boost amp. Tengu resists are fantastic other than the EM hole, but that is easily solved. AB always on and orbiting something.

Mostly though, when running missions, use eve-survival.org to find out what is in each room, what the triggers are, etc. Last ship I lost in a mission was a Drake 562 days ago lol.

Anyway, here's my Tengu L4 fit:

[Tengu, Tengu HML]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gistum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

You can mix-and-match a few bits...I tend to use a Gist B-type Large shield booster and the cap regen sub (loses a launcher but is cap stable even under most mission neuting (Bloods). You can also go a little spendy and get a DG/CN Invuln, and you don't really need the CN BCU's. I got those off a pvp kill but normally I just use 4 T2 BCU's.

Anyway, this is just my thought on this. Always kill scram frigs first with precision missiles.

McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
Posted - 2011.06.15 20:58:00 - [3]
 

Yeah, important things were covered above... you might consider filling all of your 3 rig slots with rigor and flare rigs, preferably tech II. Precision missiles and those rigs are the only things that help you downing frigs fast. Also, Tengu really needs some pimp on the tank, domination medium booster doesnt cut it sometimes as you witnessed.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:16:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: KrustyKrab
if you are jumping into a room where you know there are scram frigs, load up precisions and take them out first. Your tengu can easily tank entire rooms as long as you aren't webbed down too far.

second, spend the isk to get at least a C-type Pithum medium shield booster and a T2 or faction boost amp. Tengu resists are fantastic other than the EM hole, but that is easily solved. AB always on and orbiting something.

Mostly though, when running missions, use eve-survival.org to find out what is in each room, what the triggers are, etc. Last ship I lost in a mission was a Drake 562 days ago lol.

Anyway, here's my Tengu L4 fit:

[Tengu, Tengu HML]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gistum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

You can mix-and-match a few bits...I tend to use a Gist B-type Large shield booster and the cap regen sub (loses a launcher but is cap stable even under most mission neuting (Bloods). You can also go a little spendy and get a DG/CN Invuln, and you don't really need the CN BCU's. I got those off a pvp kill but normally I just use 4 T2 BCU's.

Anyway, this is just my thought on this. Always kill scram frigs first with precision missiles.


Nice EFT fit bro, tell me when you find gistum c-type gear at a reasonable price.

Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:22:00 - [5]
 

Your problem was fitting a medium booster on a tengu. unless you get a deadspace booster, medium boosters don't boost fast enough to give you any kind of reasonable tank.

post your fit.

Test Build
Posted - 2011.06.15 21:52:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Test Build on 15/06/2011 22:18:03




Quote:
I sprung for one with a Domination medium booster


This is the same as a CN booster IIRC...not good enough.

There's 17 Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster in Jita currently for between 526 and 550M, considering I paid 800M for one on my first tengu they are dirt cheap.



Edit: I completed the fitting..so there's no spare mids.


This thing will tank the **** out of any lvl 4 missions. You've got 2 mids to play with. (but **** all grid) Photon field for your type of rats would be a good first choice for one of the mids, another cap mod for the last most likely.

Whats transversal? Fly to next gate and sit there...

[Tengu, Missions]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile)

Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
2x Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
2x Cap Recharger II <- 2x only if Blood rats neut/nos otherwise a CN Boost Amp

4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


[Statistics - ]

Effective HP: 30,569
Tank Ability: 681.04 DPS
Damage Profile - <Omni-Damage> (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 72.43%, Ex: 74.13%, Ki: 84.48%, Th: 89.65%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 62.50%, Th: 86.25%

Capacitor: Stable at 50.21%

Volley Damage: 2,770.08
DPS: 729.25


[Implants - Current]

Slot 1: Ocular Filter - Standard
Slot 2: Memory Augmentation - Standard
Slot 3: Neural Boost - Standard
Slot 4: Cybernetic Subprocessor - Standard
Slot 5: Social Adaptation Chip - Standard
Slot 6: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' CR4
Slot 7: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Snapshot' ZMH1000
Slot 8: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZMA100
Slot 9: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZMS100
Slot 10: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZMM100



DONT USE LAME ASS RIGORS/FLARES OMFG

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:13:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Test Build

DONT USE LAME ASS RIGORS/FLARES OMFG




Confirming that damage projection is stupid and you didn't need to kill those elite warp scrambling frigates, anyway.

Test Build
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:20:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Test Build on 15/06/2011 22:23:22
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Test Build

DONT USE LAME ASS RIGORS/FLARES OMFG




Confirming that damage projection is stupid and you didn't need to kill those elite warp scrambling frigates, anyway.


Hey bro..i've been doing this **** for 5 years *snip* Please keep it civil. Spitfire. I haven't lost a ship in a mission since I was flying a brutix nearly 5 years ago.

Who gives a sht if you're scrammed, there's no warping out NO WARPING OUT EVER

Gavin DeVries
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:36:00 - [9]
 

I've never had that problem with the Tengu in room 3 of World's Collide, and I've run both the Sansha/Angel and Blood/Angel variants. What I always do is upon landing start heading away from the ship mass under afterburner and only engage after I've gotten some distance.

I've heard that if your warp-in has you randomly bounce into the disabled Heron that you're supposed to rescue the crew as mission objective, it'll give you full room aggro. So it sounds like that's what happened here and it would be just bad luck in that case. Personally, I use a single Pithi B-type small booster for mission running on the Tengu, and it's been plenty. I just have to make sure to kill webbers immediately.

Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.16 04:05:00 - [10]
 

When you say 3rd room, is that the final room with the wreck you need to loot in it?

There are 4 rooms in total. 1, 2a, 2b, 3.

Originally by: Loraine Gess

Nice EFT fit bro, tell me when you find gistum c-type gear at a reasonable price.

Erm, he mentioned a Gistum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amp. How can that be expensive? Sure, it's 5 less CPU than the Pithum, but you can easily pick up a Pithum C-Type for under 20 mil surely? And the Pithum gives you 1% more resist.

-G


Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.06.16 04:28:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 16/06/2011 04:31:41

Requires a cheap CPU implant if your skills aren't perfect.

It isn't gank worthy either.


[Tengu, Level 4 Missions]
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Booster II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


catinboots
Minmatar
Vintage heavy industries
Posted - 2011.06.16 05:26:00 - [12]
 

If it makes feel better my mission runner character lost his first tengu a few hourss after i boght it, A tengu is indeed a great ship for running missions but it greatest eney are webbing and scramming frigates especially the combination of them both

I lost mine on a cosmos mission , i got webbed and scrammed almost immediatly after entering the room while a couple of npc battleships were hitting me at their optional range

so 1 lost tengu 600 mil poorer but learned a few things , most important get those damn frigs first and make sure you put in some distance between your ship and the npcs before you start to shoot them so you got plenty of time to kill those frigs before the big guns get into range

Alexingeras
Posted - 2011.06.16 06:18:00 - [13]
 

Holy f********t batman, how come you guys need a LARGE shield booster and i never need more than 2 SMALL gistii b-type and no sba. You must be doing something very vrong.

Amdor Renevat
Posted - 2011.06.16 06:27:00 - [14]
 

I think the biggest issue was the domination booster. Domination is a lower rep but it's more cap efficient. Pithum C type small booster with a boost amp and some Pith C hardeners should get you around 500-600 range for tank. Plus you can be cap stable with a little effort. The only other thing I can say is use eve survival because room three doesn't agro all at once. When you warp in there is 3-4 BC's and a couple of frig's that agro but the rest of the room sit there until you start to engage or move around into their agro range. If you need to maneuver pick a direction away from the others, get some space, and then start orbiting. I would have thought the real danger would be the spies in the second room.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.06.16 08:36:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Test Build
Edited by: Test Build on 15/06/2011 22:23:22
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Test Build

DONT USE LAME ASS RIGORS/FLARES OMFG




Confirming that damage projection is stupid and you didn't need to kill those elite warp scrambling frigates, anyway.


Hey bro..i've been doing this **** for 5 years *snip* Please keep it civil. Spitfire. I haven't lost a ship in a mission since I was flying a brutix nearly 5 years ago.

Who gives a sht if you're scrammed, there's no warping out NO WARPING OUT EVER


Well yeah, any moron can fit a 1000 DPS permatank and do PVE related ****, but doing it efficiently is another matter../

Originally by: Brannor McThife

Erm, he mentioned a Gistum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amp. How can that be expensive? Sure, it's 5 less CPU than the Pithum, but you can easily pick up a Pithum C-Type for under 20 mil surely? And the Pithum gives you 1% more resist.

-G




Gistum C-type only drops from a rare escalation. If you check the markets, you will see there are no gistum c-type magnetic scattering amplifiers currently available (As of this posting, anyhow.) The stuff is so rare, it's collector territory.

Gistum b-type on the other hand drops from the 5/10, which is easily findable...

Originally by: Alexingeras
Holy f********t batman, how come you guys need a LARGE shield booster and i never need more than 2 SMALL gistii b-type and no sba. You must be doing something very vrong.


Well let's see.

Medium shield booster 2:
30 hp/s
1.5 hp/cap
Gistii b-type small shield booster:
20.5 hp/s (x 2)
3.41 hp/cap

Huh? Fitting 160m in deadspace shield boosters gives a great performance gain over a T2 item? Really?...

Inappropriate comment removed. Zymurgist

Tess La'Coil
Starfrackers Inc
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2011.06.16 09:41:00 - [16]
 

It was a reply to "Test Build" noting "Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster"

In his loadout I assume... read a bit more posts before calling people moron's.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:05:00 - [17]
 

Here's my Tengu L4 fit:

[Tengu, Tengu HML]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Overdrive Injector System II

Medium Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

I've run all my missions with this fitout, but I need help for missions vs Guristas - but only because of the amount of jamming.

First things first - you must take out tackle frigates pronto. After that, my bad habit is to stay at ~60km from enemies where their short range weapons don't touch me.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:07:00 - [18]
 

well. once i lost tengu fitted for like 2 billions... Got 1 billion back from loot though.

mistake was: neutralization tower + 2 scram frigates. death was fast enough. i killed 1 frig before ejecting to pod.....

stuff happens.

Aviditas
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:38:00 - [19]
 

I did not see this mentioned but there is a skill called guided missile precision that helps with small targets. I have that to 3 and I 1-2 shot most frigs in my Tengu without using Precision missiles.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:04:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Tess La'Coil
It was a reply to "Test Build" noting "Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster"

In his loadout I assume... read a bit more posts before calling people moron's.




I read the entire thread, there was no indication that you were referencing that post. There would have been had you taken the time to quote it.


But I guess pressing the pretty orange button is too difficult nowadays, huh? As is posting with the same character repeatedly.

Kimmuriel Phoenix
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:23:00 - [21]
 

Why is everyone always fitting medim/large or even bigger shields?

I use one small shield booster + amplifier, never had to warp out, there are indeed some missions where you want to kill those scram/web frigs when they get in range or where the speed of that AB really helps.
Subsystem skills except for offensive are only at 4 so speed, tank and everything can still be improved by at least 20%

(CN)BCx3
DCII

Small shield booster (pithum C? the most cap-effective one that isn't too expensive)
Shield boost amplifier II
photon scattering field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II x6

I use 3 ccc rigs to get cap stable, but those can easily be replaced with those rigor rigs I keep hearing so much about.

Never lost a Tengu, already earned back my investment and if I were to lose my ship I still wouldn't post about how I can easily afford to lose a ship because it's still a lot of money. And ofc its only an invitation for more tear harvesting after you undock in a Tengu with an even bigger more expensive active tank.

Holdout
Posted - 2011.06.16 13:56:00 - [22]
 

/insert laughter about Large X-Type shield booster on a Tengu.

/end

Alexingeras
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:03:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Tess La'Coil
It was a reply to "Test Build" noting "Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster"

In his loadout I assume... read a bit more posts before calling people moron's.




I read the entire thread, there was no indication that you were referencing that post. There would have been had you taken the time to quote it.


But I guess pressing the pretty orange button is too difficult nowadays, huh? As is posting with the same character repeatedly.


I found another pretty orange button right next to the one you mentioned. Maybe the "LARGE" (in bold letters) in my previous post would have served as an indication to the post i was reffering to. However i know realise not everybody has the IQ for such a deduction.

For the sake of the discussion, if you know what you're doing 1 gistii b-type small is enough. Yes, without a sba. It costs 55 mil and should be no problem even for the poor guys. The second one is completely optional, but if you're looking for a bit more tank in the "oh snap" moments is worth having and pulsing just when needed. This also gives you cap stability without wasting precious rig or other slots. Fitting a deadspace medium makes you a gank magnet, and imo a large one is overtank.

Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:42:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Test Build
Edited by: Test Build on 15/06/2011 22:23:22
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Test Build

DONT USE LAME ASS RIGORS/FLARES OMFG




Confirming that damage projection is stupid and you didn't need to kill those elite warp scrambling frigates, anyway.


Hey bro..i've been doing this **** for 5 years *snip* Please keep it civil. Spitfire. I haven't lost a ship in a mission since I was flying a brutix nearly 5 years ago.

Who gives a sht if you're scrammed, there's no warping out NO WARPING OUT EVER


then you've done it wrong for five years and didn't learn **** in the process.
cheers!

Tess La'Coil
Starfrackers Inc
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:49:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Tess La''Coil on 16/06/2011 14:52:05
Edited by: Tess La''Coil on 16/06/2011 14:51:31
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Tess La'Coil
It was a reply to "Test Build" noting "Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster"

In his loadout I assume... read a bit more posts before calling people moron's.


I read the entire thread, there was no indication that you were referencing that post. There would have been had you taken the time to quote it.


But I guess pressing the pretty orange button is too difficult nowadays, huh? As is posting with the same character repeatedly.


I just saw that he was the only one posting about an X-Large.. and saw you call someone else a moron.. and jumped in to point you at it...

Test Build nor the other is a character of mine. This is my only char.


Darryl Ward
Posted - 2011.06.16 15:42:00 - [26]
 

Worlds Collide can go horribly wrong, and yes they do have webs: the bane of the Tengu. WC can put down DPS that most mission ships couldn't tank with an overtanked setup when something goes wrong.

I have not tried WC in a Tengu yet, but I have done this mission before. I think my strategy will be to stay put and kill the webbers first. If you get webbed and aggro the room, you will die, period, in pretty much any ship.

If I remember right, you can pick off the scrammers / webbers without drawing room aggro if you don't move in WC.

Amdor Renevat
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:26:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Darryl Ward
Worlds Collide can go horribly wrong, and yes they do have webs: the bane of the Tengu. WC can put down DPS that most mission ships couldn't tank with an overtanked setup when something goes wrong.

I have not tried WC in a Tengu yet, but I have done this mission before. I think my strategy will be to stay put and kill the webbers first. If you get webbed and aggro the room, you will die, period, in pretty much any ship.

If I remember right, you can pick off the scrammers / webbers without drawing room aggro if you don't move in WC.


Rooms 2a and 2b both have 2x spy ships and if you attack those ships you pull room agro. The way I get around this is to have my drones attack the spies and when you pull in the drones the agro goes away. The problem with this is the whole room agro's your drones and they are prone to exploding before you can kill one of the spies. I usually drop them out and pull them back in twice per spy. As soon as they take damage I pull all of them back, or atleast the one with agro.

With a tengu I suggest killing off the first group of spawns that agro's without touching the spies. Then aim for open space and drop the spies as fast as you can. You should be able to kill both spies and be boosting towards space before the room can get into range. However I don't yet have my tengu... still got a weeks worth of training to go.

Also, I was incorrect in my earlier post. A single Pith-C small booster won't get you to 500 tank against sansha (best I could get was 370ish). I did find that you can put 2x Pith-C smalls (one in place of the amp) and you'll be right at 500dps tanked.

KrustyKrab
Can We Haz Your Stuff
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.06.16 20:07:00 - [28]
 

I can't comment on how rare the Gist C-type EM module is on the market, but I have a stack of them from plexing in highsec over the course of a few months. They seem to drop fairly regularly from anoms that spawn an overseer to numbered plexes.

I'm not a believer in the whole 'if you aren't doing it like I say to do it, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!!' because there's always multiple ways to achieve the same goal. I've done the dual small b-type shield boosters, a single pithum c-type medium + CN boost amp (T2 boost amp works just as well), gist b-type large booster, even a Gist X-Type XL booster for doing 10/10 null plexes (tengu getting shot into almost structure from the alpha of 10/10's can be pretty incredible and pretty scary lol).

That is the great thing about a Tengu, it is extremely versatile in getting a fit that works for you. I personally prefer the gist b-type large booster + CN boost amp as it is cap stable and tanks everything but the top plexes (9/10-10/10, where as I mentioned I need the x-type xl booster).

Again the most important thing isn't really your fit once you spend a few isks and get a deadspace booster...it is having rigor rig(s) + CN/precision missiles and knowing triggers and which frigs are going to web (scrams = don't concern me at all, it is the webbing that kills a Tengu quickly).

subtle turtle
Posted - 2011.06.16 20:20:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Test Build


Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

DONT USE LAME ASS RIGORS/FLARES OMFG



LOLOLOLOL
Confirming that CCC rigs > actually hitting small targets.
Don't listen to this guy, any one who fits 3 CCC rigs to a PVE ship is bad at what they are doing. The CCC rigs may help you survive in limited situations (mainly if you mess up aggro big time), but they don't help you cut incoming DPS or finish missions. Also, note that this numbskull is using a large booster, which is dumb. While it boosts more per cycle than a medium booster, the cycle times are stupidly long, and you won't have the buffer to hold you between cycles if the DPS ramps way up.
Kill all webbing frigs first. Be sure you have your AB on and are orbiting something at enough range to keep your transversal up. The problem you ran into was cycle time on your Med booster, once you hit armor you have no resists and are dead. To solve this I actually use 2 small boosters, staggered (95% of the time I only need to have 1 running, actually). In World's Collide, the 3rd room is all about managing the aggro, if you wander into the proximity aggro of multiple groups, survival is tough.

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.06.16 20:42:00 - [30]
 

Domination medium booster

Well there's yer problem.

Bad mission fit is bad. Two Deadspace Small boosters with Operational Solidifier rigs will make your ship able to tank Smash the supplier without batting an eye and an omni tank.

You fit your tengu poorly, it happens.


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