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Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:48:00 - [781]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Billy Ikkala
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:49:00 - [782]
 

Originally by: Sarina Berghil
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Needs quoting for clarity so even CCP gets it.


This. **** you ccp, you money grabbing asshats

Trilli Shaw
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:53:00 - [783]
 

I rarely post on the forums, but I am really disappointed and sad by this.

Not the licensing itself, that is bad enough. But that a certainly group of people has actually enough influence to pull it through and no one at CCP stepping in and calling it off right away before it gets published.


Look at thriving and vibrant communities, for example Minecraft. And how their client is improved and lots of good stuff is added after community feedback.

And then compare it to CCP. Some game designers recently even wiped off many people asking for a feature being added again (after it was removed) with the comment "I don't like it" - yes, what the community wants becomes less and less important to CCP.


This is really sad to see.


And the CEO? Calls the deeply concerned people even whiners openly and in public. HOW DARE YOU! CCP would be still in a muddy ****hole if it were not for people like Chribba, constantly and selflessly sacrificing time and money to make EVE a playable game.


Really sad.


And the dev responsible here calls it a "hate thread".


EVE could be such a wonderful game, it is has such an awesome community, it is so deep and with immense potential.

All lost - unless there is a major upheaval, but it doesn't look like this.

Alvar Kesh
Gallente
Ealurian Shipyards
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:56:00 - [784]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



ninjaholic
Gallente
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:57:00 - [785]
 

Chribba, Wollari, Grismar, Chruker, Six Anari. No offence meant to other key members not listed here, but these are names that roll off my tongue easily when someone mentions community services as I've used their tools on hundreds and hundreds of occasions over the now, 5 years 9 months I've been a subscriber.

I couldn't possibly have gotten started the way I did if I didn't have these resources or tools available.

If anything, CCP should be providing plex or similar as a reward for the hard work of these, and many other, community contributors who have worked hard to provide a now essential service to Eve. Maybe CCP have lost perspective on the place and importance of these key community tools?

Or maybe this is just a lesson for CCP Atlas that the first line of his blogs should be a warning of some sort. Very Happy

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:58:00 - [786]
 

Quote:
1) The blog represents the first draft...

Ah so you gonna iterate on it the usual CCP way?


Grash Freedom
Gallente
I Maza
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:58:00 - [787]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




THIS

Xaelion
Snuff Box
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:00:00 - [788]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




+ 1

Don't do it CCP. Dont go die on me yet!

Itchy pants
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:02:00 - [789]
 

Edited by: Itchy pants on 16/06/2011 11:05:35
Edited by: Itchy pants on 16/06/2011 11:02:42
To everyone rage quitting - can I have your stuff?

Please contract your stuff to me, also send me your isk.

That is all.

Itchy Pants

Asura Kinkaid
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:04:00 - [790]
 

whoever came up with this may want to start looking for a new job

Max Wilson
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:05:00 - [791]
 

Originally by: Flex Nebura
Originally by: SystemAdministrator
Another thing i just realized. Where does this leave the makers of clear skies? They have a donate button on their page.


from the clear skies website.

"Why Donate?


Well, because you liked the films and appreciate that Iíve spent over 5 years working on them. I have spent several thousand hours on the series, and this time Iíve spent about £3,000 on hardware and software for CS3 alone!

But of course Iíd have done all that anyway. This is certainly not some sort of whinge about having to put all that time and money into the EveLife project, far from it. I loved doing it, I love the result, and Iím proud to have brought some fun and enjoyment into so many peopleís lives Ė this has been an opportunity that not many people get in a lifetime.

The Paypal donate button is there mainly because more than a few people have suggested I have one so they can show their appreciation. Sounds like a good idea to me so here it is! Get busy showing the appreciation so I can buy an Aston Martin."

So if he wants that Aston Martin.. all he has to do is pay 99$ per year to use licensed material.. Or if people donate less than that.. remove the donate button and continue as usual.


This is a good example. Projects like 'Clear Skies' is making EVE a lot better. It's already expensive and time consuming for the people doing it. But this will make it cost 99$ more a year, or force them to remove the donations button, witch will also make it more expensive to run the project. Whatever the people behind the donation based projects decide to do, this is bad news for them.

Let's make a theory example here:
A service needs 100$ a year to host their site. They used to get 80-90$ a year via donations, and pay the rest of their own pockets. With the new rules they have 3 options if they want to continue:

1. Pay the 99$ and start charging money for the service. This is bad for the users, and they will probably get a lot less users.

2. Pay the 99$ and keep on being donation based. This will give them a yearly loss at 110-120$ compared to 10-20$ before.

3. Stop tanking donations. This will give a yearly loss of 100$.

Now. CCP, please tell me which of these options is better than how it was before?

Capri Sern
Minmatar
The Stand Alone Complex
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:07:00 - [792]
 

There are far more entertaining ways of committing PR suicide CCP.

Talaan Stardrifter
Universal Exports
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:09:00 - [793]
 

Originally by: Itchy pants
To everyone rage quitting - can I have your stuff?

Please contract your stuff to me, also send me your isk.

You have, of course, paid your $99 yearly fee for earning a profit from CCP IP?

Zun Da
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:10:00 - [794]
 

Edited by: Zun Da on 16/06/2011 11:12:11
Originally by: Itchy pants
Edited by: Itchy pants on 16/06/2011 11:02:42
To everyone rage quitting - can I have your stuff?

Please contract your stuff to ratokus, also send me your isk.

That is all.

Itchy Pants


Have you paid your $99 license fee? Because you are advertising some service and want donations for that.


If not I will contact a lawyer. They charge for license violations even without any involvement of the party that offers the license.


Yeah, reaaally nice idea CCP, letting loose those dunning fee sharks.

There is no faster and more efficient way to crash EVE into a grinding halt than destroying the community.

I wonder if some competitors smuggled in some black ops guys, destroying CCP from the inside. But looks like CCP is fully capable of this on their own.

Crayathan
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:11:00 - [795]
 

I seriously don't know what to think about you any more CCP.

You seem to have completely lost the plot. I think you've managed to damage eve more then Lulz has with epic fail. YARRRR!!

Wonator
2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:14:00 - [796]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Hiryu Jin
noXCorp
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:14:00 - [797]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Lothros Andastar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:15:00 - [798]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats


I wonder if CCP have realised this yet?

Hun Jakuza
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:16:00 - [799]
 

Just one picture from the real CCP.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/imageagl.jpg/

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Low Orbit Industries
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:17:00 - [800]
 

Edited by: Quazal Atreides on 16/06/2011 11:22:22
OK

A few links just to show what services will be affected by this non-sensical change

Link to services provided in game

Every one of them services charges an isk fee... Mine is donation based, so for me to offer a service that only has value in game i have to pay r/l money ... thanks but no thanks..

So 5 posts of services are all going to have to go bye bye.... Then we get to lotteries (after all they are making isk) So basically thats 80% of all the WTS forums gone......

Then lets look at one of the major bonuses of Eve.. the ability to buy 'n' sell characters..

firstly we have a post that CANNOT list his skills on a site such as "eveboard" or likewise.
Then all character will have to type EVERY skill they have in the forum post... (yes great fun that will be) because we cannot use OOG websites for screen shots etc, after all we will be making isk from them...

So character transfers will just be a hive of crap posts, dodgy posts... things like oops sorry i typed Battleship level 5. but only have battleship level 1


Then we get to Supercap transfers... This wont happen... because without people such as chribba/darknesss/grendell who secure these transfers for a small cost wont be able to do it without paying $99 for commercial licence... So will you trust your 20>80bill in the hope that you get that shiny titan/SC or let me jump in your nice nyx before i transfer money.... So good bye super cap transfers..

Basically what makes eve such an enjoyable game is the ability to diversify into many many different areas....... If you have the skills to create a website such as "blink" "rothbards casino" etc then all power to you, you pay out of your own pocket to host/design/build these sites...

Gambling will cease given that lotto sites wont have random number generators such as chribba/random.org as they out of game applications.

Now my suggestions.

1 someone posted in early part of thread about charging £/$1.00 per year to each user that wants to use his api key for applications...
2 hell even have something like ... 28 days for plex use then 2 days per plex charge for using api.. (this would amount to 24days extra days per year in fees if you want to use api for anything), or even 1 plex per year charge to have access to your api key, this could be done through account management.
3 Allow ISK ONLY donations.... this is something you can control/has no real life value out of eve.
4 WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES, THIS WILL maybe not kill BUT WILL DESTROY EVE and its community..


final point,.... Even Blizzard and WoW allow third party applications to be used without charge..... and thats sad ....


Trinneth
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:18:00 - [801]
 

Originally by: CCP Atlas
Donation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope. Whether that license needs to be $99 per year is something we might reconsider.



You allow it now - it's not tricky, it's not confusing, and it's certainly not a slippery slope. You know how I know it's not a slippery slope? You just celebrated your eight year anniversary - by now we'd have slipped to wherever that slippery slope leads.

Plague Black
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:19:00 - [802]
 

Edited by: Plague Black on 16/06/2011 11:19:36
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




+1

What is next? EVE NGE and porting it to PS3? Have you been sniffing too much volcanic ash?

Astroyka
Caldari
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:20:00 - [803]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



CAPTAIN INSAINO
Black Lance
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:23:00 - [804]
 

Originally by: Astroyka
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats





^ this too, i have written thousands of lines of various external apps for eve using the api system. I will not be applying for any license for anything i spent time writing, free or paid for.

Hathrul
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:25:00 - [805]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Guru Gor
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:27:00 - [806]
 

What specific products and services fall under the commercial license? will it be possible to sell such as T-shirts with original designs and logos eve-online base using this license?

Sethose Olderon
Gryphon Chancellery
Gryphon League
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:28:00 - [807]
 

Now, after 27 pages, let's see how long it takes for this thread to be "unstickied".

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:28:00 - [808]
 

Originally by: Hathrul
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




PCaBoo
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:29:00 - [809]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Crayathan
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:30:00 - [810]
 

Originally by: Efraya
Originally by: Hathrul
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats






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