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Indimiel
Posted - 2011.06.13 21:58:00 - [1]
 

So it came up in the Alliance Tournament Discussion that they are going to sell ships directly for Aurum, which come from PLEXes, and so ships will appear directly from cash moneys and no player economy involvement.

A lot of people seem to have strong opinions on the line which this may be crossing, so I figured it was important to put this in General Discussion, get it a bit more exposure.

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.


So what do you guys reckon? It does say this is a temporary measure, but timing can get very easily muddled by a few years here and there.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:03:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 13/06/2011 22:14:27
There's nothing that I like about this feature. However, I'll suffer it so long as these ships are 100% identical in performance to the Tech 1 Scorpion.

If those Aurum ships are ANY better than their Tech 1 counterparts, the whole game can go **** itself for putting money above the sandbox.

EDIT:

Wait just a damn minute, there is NO EXCUSE not to make it consume a regular Tech 1 Scorpion in exchange for these ships!


No BPC exchange method, fine, but there's no reason not to consume a normal Scorpion in the process!

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:09:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Jasdemi on 13/06/2011 22:09:36
Originally by: Evelgrivion
Edited by: Evelgrivion on 13/06/2011 22:03:04
so long as these ships are 100% identical in performance to the Tech 1 Scorpion.

If those Aurum ships are ANY better than their Tech 1 counterparts, the whole game can go **** itself for putting money above the sandbox.

Ayieka
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:13:00 - [4]
 

Can we get a confirmation about this? this sounds a bit fishy.

Generals4
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:15:00 - [5]
 

From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:17:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Generals4
From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.


I'm so happy I have a thorax ready for this Very Happy

Lothros Andastar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:18:00 - [7]
 

Protip: You can buy ships for Isk, which comes from Plex, so you can buy ships for Dollars anyway.

rock crawlermne
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:19:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ayieka
Can we get a confirmation about this? this sounds a bit fishy.


confirmed, fishy smell present....hey...MIILLIA, CLOSE YOUR LEGS.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:19:00 - [9]
 

you trade a fully made scorpian, and some aurum and get a scorpian painted black... same stats, skills to fly, slots and eveything are the same.
only difference is the color, and the text box when you look for info on it honestly, the only thing it does it make it a primary target.
quit crying about it because nothing changes to how the game was years ago

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:20:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Protip: You can buy ships for Isk, which comes from Plex, so you can buy ships for Dollars anyway.


Project it far enough and all women are *****s Razz

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:21:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Generals4
From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.


So effectively what you are buying with the Aurum is a paint job? I think I read somewhere a dev saying ship skins would actually be separate new ships with their own item number and a separate entry in the secondary player market.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:21:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 13/06/2011 22:22:02
Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Protip: You can buy ships for Isk, which comes from Plex, so you can buy ships for Dollars anyway.


Dead wrong.



Nothing in EVE, beyond PLEX itself, is created without consuming minerals that were acquired through game mechanics. It is unacceptable for CCP to introduce a ship to the economy that consumes neither minerals, or an otherwise identical ship, for nothing.

This precedent cannot be allowed. The sandbox MUST NOT become second fiddle to Microtransactions!

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:24:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jasdemi
Edited by: Jasdemi on 13/06/2011 22:09:36
Originally by: Evelgrivion
Edited by: Evelgrivion on 13/06/2011 22:03:04
so long as these ships are 100% identical in performance to the Tech 1 Scorpion.

If those Aurum ships are ANY better than their Tech 1 counterparts, the whole game can go **** itself for putting money above the sandbox.


Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Generals4
From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.


So effectively what you are buying with the Aurum is a paint job? I think I read somewhere a dev saying ship skins would actually be separate new ships with their own item number and a separate entry in the secondary player market.

Yes, bechause they haven't figured out a way to "apply paint-job" on the ships... also, that would be lost if you repackaged the ship. When converting the standard scorpion to a sperate ship model, the ship will retain it's paint job even when selling it on the market (cause that require you to repack it anyways).

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:27:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Generals4
From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.


You're wrong, that's actually the long term plan. What CCP Zinfandel said on the AT9 panel saturday was that when the store launches, the new scorp model will be available for purchase with just Aurum. Eventually they'll let you use a scorp and less aurum, but for now you'll be creating ships from nothing.

I'm of two minds about whether or not I should be raging about this. On the one hand, it's just a scorp, and I'm sure that it will actually work out to be MUCH more expensive (via isk->plex->AUR conversion) than the standard scorp. But on the other hand, bringing an item into existance with nothing but cash is. . . iffy.

Generals4
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:30:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Generals4 on 13/06/2011 22:30:56
Originally by: Mister Smithington
Originally by: Generals4
From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.


You're wrong, that's actually the long term plan. What CCP Zinfandel said on the AT9 panel saturday was that when the store launches, the new scorp model will be available for purchase with just Aurum. Eventually they'll let you use a scorp and less aurum, but for now you'll be creating ships from nothing.

I'm of two minds about whether or not I should be raging about this. On the one hand, it's just a scorp, and I'm sure that it will actually work out to be MUCH more expensive (via isk->plex->AUR conversion) than the standard scorp. But on the other hand, bringing an item into existance with nothing but cash is. . . iffy.


Hmm i thought i read otherwise before. Ah well that sucks.
This could actually hit the mineral prices and reduce the importance of actually producing said ships.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:32:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 13/06/2011 22:32:18
Originally by: Mister Smithington
I'm of two minds about whether or not I should be raging about this. On the one hand, it's just a scorp, and I'm sure that it will actually work out to be MUCH more expensive (via isk->plex->AUR conversion) than the standard scorp. But on the other hand, bringing an item into existance with nothing but cash is. . . iffy.


This goes well beyond Iffy. This precedent undermines every single core principle on which the EVE Online sandbox is founded. Knowing how CCP thinks with some things, they'll treat any lack of outrage as tacit approval to never bother adding ship consumption or aurum for blueprints to the store. Hell, knowing CCP, they'll probably claim that they're free to add a bunch of ****ing SUPERCAPS for Aurum in exchange for NOTHING!

Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:33:00 - [18]
 

CCP STOP THIS, DONT HURT THE SANDBOX Exclamation

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:35:00 - [19]
 

Linkage

It goes deeper then just a painted scorp.......... That is the thread I posted in the Assembly Hall section of our forum. Take some time to read all the posts not just the first one.


Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:40:00 - [20]
 

If you don't want MT keep bumping the Official Feedback thread that has suddenly become a non-sticky. Keep it at the top!

Give Me Monacles or Give Me Death Official Feedback Thread

Matter of fact hit this one too:

Say no to Micro-Transactions

Whim Aqayn
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:43:00 - [21]
 

Would unsubscribe and not look back. Not much else to be said here.

Triple Entendre
Atrocity.
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:43:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Generals4
From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.


I'm so happy I have a thorax ready for this Very Happy


Pink Thorax fleet is a go!Cool

Generals4
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:47:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Triple Entendre
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Generals4
From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.


I'm so happy I have a thorax ready for this Very Happy


Pink Thorax fleet is a go!Cool


Golden Rokh's will reinforce that fleet.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:03:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Triple Entendre
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Generals4
From what i understand here is what happens:
You give a scorp + aurum and you get a scorp with a new skin. You can't buy a ship for aurum, you buy a new skin.


I'm so happy I have a thorax ready for this Very Happy


Pink Thorax fleet is a go!Cool


Pen Island pride parade in the works methinks Very Happy

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:08:00 - [25]
 

Confirming this isn't a load of BULLSH*T and doesn't screw around with the player run economy and Scorpion manufacturers will be over the moon to hear that people can just conjure up magical flying scorpions by handing over real life cash.

CCP you incompetent ****s, how can you not see this is utterly broken.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:08:00 - [26]
 

The idea of ships being handed out in eve for real money is abhorrent to me.
I am totally against this shortcut.
I am totally against Micro-Transactions, everything in eve should be bought with isk/lp.

Also the CSM should get some balls and refuse point blank to accept this.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:09:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Edited by: Evelgrivion on 13/06/2011 22:14:27
There's nothing that I like about this feature. However, I'll suffer it so long as these ships are 100% identical in performance to the Tech 1 Scorpion.

If those Aurum ships are ANY better than their Tech 1 counterparts, the whole game can go **** itself for putting money above the sandbox.

EDIT:

Wait just a damn minute, there is NO EXCUSE not to make it consume a regular Tech 1 Scorpion in exchange for these ships!

I'm just going to quote this once again.

No BPC exchange method, fine, but there's no reason not to consume a normal Scorpion in the process!

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:14:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Wait just a damn minute, there is NO EXCUSE not to make it consume a regular Tech 1 Scorpion in exchange for these ships!
Confirming that, if true, is is indeed horrid.
Fix it. As in: yesterday.

Chris Fierce
Caldari
NoD Imperium
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:17:00 - [29]
 

Another total waste of man hours.

Aquana Abyss
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:21:00 - [30]
 

Start a boycott....

Thats one of the crappiest ideas CCP have had in years.


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