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Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.12 14:25:00 - [1]
 

so people blob. then people complain that they blob because they want to win.

well duh, if you're in a fair fight, somebody ****ed up terribly that's for sure. And because of this blobs happen.

we bring MOAR
they bring MOAR
and we bring EVEN MOAR!
and they bring EVEN MOAR!
and the hamsters have a heart attack.
and everybody loses the game.




and then people complain about fixing it and boohoo and **** and giggles and that the other side was unfair and wanted to crash the server.


bleh.

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.12 14:29:00 - [2]
 

Blobs are lame. Sadly you have to blob to win. That's what they want CCP to fix I think.

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.12 14:30:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Alpheias on 12/06/2011 14:30:30
Happily I thought your thread was about boobs. But I realized that there are no boobs, just a bitter noob (hi grim o/)

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.12 14:35:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
Edited by: Alpheias on 12/06/2011 14:30:30
Happily I thought your thread was about boobs. But I realized that there are no boobs, just a bitter noob (hi grim o/)


Phew, thought it was just me.

*wiggles her blobs*


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.12 14:38:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
Edited by: Alpheias on 12/06/2011 14:30:30
Happily I thought your thread was about boobs. But I realized that there are no boobs, just a bitter noob (hi grim o/)
indeed this thread needs more boobs

here's a booby

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Ioci
Gallente
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.06.12 15:46:00 - [6]
 

Now would be about the time to point out how it's accurate and that standing your ground when the odds are against you doesn't get you a win.

That's why CCP bankrupted to Blizzard years ago and besides, we all know we came here to play RL Online.

Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.12 15:54:00 - [7]
 

Came expecting a thread about Vexors and Brutixes.
Left dispappointed.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.12 15:57:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
*snip*
here's a booby

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Is it just me, or does he has cold boob.. aeh feet?

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.12 16:05:00 - [9]
 

Awesome - I love boob threads.

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.12 16:08:00 - [10]
 

Mintchip post requiered to make this thread complete Cool



Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.12 16:36:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
Edited by: Alpheias on 12/06/2011 14:30:30
Happily I thought your thread was about boobs. But I realized that there are no boobs, just a bitter noob (hi grim o/)


This ^^, I left disapointed Sad

dead hamster
Posted - 2011.06.12 17:46:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Grimpak

and the hamsters have a heart attack.




so thats why im dead then Twisted Evil

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.12 18:55:00 - [13]
 

Replace hamster with ferret.

Pros:
Wheel spins significantly faster during uptime

Cons:
Wheel is not spinning at all at least 75% of time.
Wheel may get chewed on.

Jacque Cruix
Posted - 2011.06.12 19:58:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Jacque Cruix on 12/06/2011 20:08:05

Blobs are simply a concentration of force.
Those who bring the most combat power wins.



Edit:
One issue I do see is that IRL it is normally safer for an Army to be dispersed but less effective.
But in Eve it is safer to be blob'd up and more effective.

So IRL you have to choose between safety or effectiveness.
In Eve you just choose to stay blob'd up and have both.


Jacque Cruix
Posted - 2011.06.12 20:01:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Jacque Cruix on 12/06/2011 20:01:18

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.12 20:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Jacque Cruix
Edited by: Jacque Cruix on 12/06/2011 20:08:05

Blobs are simply a concentration of force.
Those who bring the most combat power wins.



Edit:
One issue I do see is that IRL it is normally safer for an Army to be dispersed but less effective.
But in Eve it is safer to be blob'd up and more effective.

So IRL you have to choose between safety or effectiveness.
In Eve you just choose to stay blob'd up and have both.




That's very simple to fix.

Friendly. Fire. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.06.12 22:12:00 - [17]
 

Wait wait wait wait...


Did i... Did i just lose the game? Mad



Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.13 09:49:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Soi Mala
Wait wait wait wait...


Did i... Did i just lose the game? Mad



FINALLY somebody gets it.

WrednaMalpa
Posted - 2011.06.13 10:35:00 - [19]
 

Yep, there is no real penalty for bringing more ships, except for server crash, but this one is applied to both sides of conflict so can be used as advantage.

Yep, friendly fire is one of possible options.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.06.13 10:49:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Miilla


Phew, thought it was just me.

*wiggles her blobs*




I have no idea who you are my dear, but this made me smile in real life

Mary Astell
Posted - 2011.06.13 11:05:00 - [21]
 

If you want 1v1 go swap cans outside a trade hub. If you are wondering round low/null, please bring enough to deal with the locals there or lose.

If you lose please cry 'blob', this i interpret as a whine about not having any friends.

Mary Astell
Posted - 2011.06.13 11:07:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Mary Astell on 13/06/2011 11:07:44
Originally by: WrednaMalpa
Yep, there is no real penalty for bringing more ships, except for server crash, but this one is applied to both sides of conflict so can be used as advantage.

Yep, friendly fire is one of possible options.


Perhaps introducing line of sight. If you are in a blob you will have to manoeuvre into a position where there are no friendly ships/objectsbetween you and the target or you will strike that instead.

I know this would have a lot of issues, specially in empire but it would make blobs harder to wield.

xttz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.13 11:12:00 - [23]
 

'Blob' is another word for 'having less friends'.


The Old Chap
Posted - 2011.06.13 11:18:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Alpheias
Edited by: Alpheias on 12/06/2011 14:30:30
Happily I thought your thread was about boobs. But I realized that there are no boobs, just a bitter noob (hi grim o/)


Phew, thought it was just me.

*wiggles her blobs*




Careful dear, there might be bigger blobs out there, just waiting to wardec you.

Loki's Angel
Posted - 2011.06.13 18:08:00 - [25]
 

systems should be cap'd at like 100 people in system so it brings back small gangs. capitals and supers should all carry aoe doomsdays. abaddons need that crazy weapon that can take out an entire capital/super fleet in one shot. dramiels just need to be burned to the ground. give me my battlebadger and im good to go

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.06.13 18:33:00 - [26]
 

CCP has said that line of sight calculations would kill the hamsters. We would be right back to 100 ship fleets lagging the game to unplayability. Not sure how much it would help in any case, there is alot of space in space, relatively easy to spread out a bit.

Limiting system ship count to 100 would mean an alliance could become impregnable by keeping 100 ships in system. If you said, "well 100 ships per alliance" then alliance leaders would make alts to run secondary alliances so they could blob up using multiple alliances, all under the control of one player.

AoE weapons: Unless its like the old Doomsday, getting everything on the grid, the current blobs will just spread out and become sniper blobs, with one AoE on the gate to clear out the new arrivals.

So far every idea Ive seen for breaking up the blob would be worked around or kill the hamsters, and there would still be blobs.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.13 20:21:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP has said that line of sight calculations would kill the hamsters. We would be right back to 100 ship fleets lagging the game to unplayability. Not sure how much it would help in any case, there is alot of space in space, relatively easy to spread out a bit.

Limiting system ship count to 100 would mean an alliance could become impregnable by keeping 100 ships in system. If you said, "well 100 ships per alliance" then alliance leaders would make alts to run secondary alliances so they could blob up using multiple alliances, all under the control of one player.

AoE weapons: Unless its like the old Doomsday, getting everything on the grid, the current blobs will just spread out and become sniper blobs, with one AoE on the gate to clear out the new arrivals.

So far every idea Ive seen for breaking up the blob would be worked around or kill the hamsters, and there would still be blobs.


There is actually one way to harm blobs, but everything comes to a price...

Blobs could be limited by setting a "blob penalty" in which the more blues in a system, the larger the penalty to tank, gank or both to each blue; the penalty would be alike the "Incursion penalty", a global effect triggered by how many blues are in system. The price, of course, would be realism: Why should a blob be penalyzed by being many, to start with?

Finely tuned, this penalty system would limit how much tank/gank could a commander field proficently, and would allow a smaller, better commanded and less penalyzed fleet to effectively fight a larger but more penalyzed and/or worse commanded fleet.

Not realistic, but very effective.

Cancel Align NOW
Posted - 2011.06.13 20:35:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP has said that line of sight calculations would kill the hamsters. We would be right back to 100 ship fleets lagging the game to unplayability. Not sure how much it would help in any case, there is alot of space in space, relatively easy to spread out a bit.

Limiting system ship count to 100 would mean an alliance could become impregnable by keeping 100 ships in system. If you said, "well 100 ships per alliance" then alliance leaders would make alts to run secondary alliances so they could blob up using multiple alliances, all under the control of one player.

AoE weapons: Unless its like the old Doomsday, getting everything on the grid, the current blobs will just spread out and become sniper blobs, with one AoE on the gate to clear out the new arrivals.

So far every idea Ive seen for breaking up the blob would be worked around or kill the hamsters, and there would still be blobs.


There is actually one way to harm blobs, but everything comes to a price...

Blobs could be limited by setting a "blob penalty" in which the more blues in a system, the larger the penalty to tank, gank or both to each blue; the penalty would be alike the "Incursion penalty", a global effect triggered by how many blues are in system. The price, of course, would be realism: Why should a blob be penalyzed by being many, to start with?

Finely tuned, this penalty system would limit how much tank/gank could a commander field proficently, and would allow a smaller, better commanded and less penalyzed fleet to effectively fight a larger but more penalyzed and/or worse commanded fleet.

Not realistic, but very effective.


Also easy to get around. Friendly alliances send in multiple fleets after doing a temporary reset. Then the blob equation would change from n+1>n to Y+1x100n>Yx100n

Ejit
Amarr
STD contractors
Posted - 2011.06.13 20:40:00 - [29]
 

You spelt "More" wrong!

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.13 21:03:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Cancel Align NOW
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP has said that line of sight calculations would kill the hamsters. We would be right back to 100 ship fleets lagging the game to unplayability. Not sure how much it would help in any case, there is alot of space in space, relatively easy to spread out a bit.

Limiting system ship count to 100 would mean an alliance could become impregnable by keeping 100 ships in system. If you said, "well 100 ships per alliance" then alliance leaders would make alts to run secondary alliances so they could blob up using multiple alliances, all under the control of one player.

AoE weapons: Unless its like the old Doomsday, getting everything on the grid, the current blobs will just spread out and become sniper blobs, with one AoE on the gate to clear out the new arrivals.

So far every idea Ive seen for breaking up the blob would be worked around or kill the hamsters, and there would still be blobs.


There is actually one way to harm blobs, but everything comes to a price...

Blobs could be limited by setting a "blob penalty" in which the more blues in a system, the larger the penalty to tank, gank or both to each blue; the penalty would be alike the "Incursion penalty", a global effect triggered by how many blues are in system. The price, of course, would be realism: Why should a blob be penalyzed by being many, to start with?

Finely tuned, this penalty system would limit how much tank/gank could a commander field proficently, and would allow a smaller, better commanded and less penalyzed fleet to effectively fight a larger but more penalyzed and/or worse commanded fleet.

Not realistic, but very effective.


Also easy to get around. Friendly alliances send in multiple fleets after doing a temporary reset. Then the blob equation would change from n+1>n to Y+1x100n>Yx100n


I forgot to mention that the penalty would be dynamically calculated and would be smaller as the blob numbers shrinked... precisely to avoid a "start small, then call reinforcements" getaround. No. The more you are at any time, the more penalty and vice versa if you're taking losses and shrinking numbers. Ideally that should work so each fleet had a relatively constant gank/tank until one used them better and overcame whatever numbers/penalty had the other.


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