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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.11 19:38:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/06/2011 19:47:53

Ok, seriously.Tell us what your thinking for prices! The transparency is like a foggy window. You're telling us every single last details but prices. I mean if there was a better time for you to tell people what's going on, I can't think of one. It's a 3 part interview, and you're not letting us know one of the biggest parts of the design. Do items cost 10 cents each as it seems they will? Or are we looking at 4-5$ items?

Stop being so secretive, tell us the cost of these items!


also why not sell Blueprints if you want the players to build it? sell tattoo blueprints! clothing blueprints! Make up your mind! : (


MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.11 20:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/06/2011 20:01:56
boooo you let him get away : (

we honestly have no idea with like a week left.

Lucius Voltar
Gallente
The ArchAngel Vanguard
Posted - 2011.06.11 20:04:00 - [3]
 

They're not going to sell blueprints because that would just draw off the income. Presumably the prices are currently on the Sing Server, and of course will probably change as its finalized. Like with all aspects of eve... Have Patience YARRRR!!

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.11 20:12:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Lucius Voltar
They're not going to sell blueprints because that would just draw off the income. Presumably the prices are currently on the Sing Server, and of course will probably change as its finalized. Like with all aspects of eve... Have Patience YARRRR!!


the prices on Sisi are currently half a cent for a vanity item.

whic would be awesome but somehow I don't buy it without confirmation.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.11 20:49:00 - [5]
 

CCP Zinfandel is a gentleman and a scholar

Lucius Voltar
Gallente
The ArchAngel Vanguard
Posted - 2011.06.11 21:00:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Lucius Voltar
They're not going to sell blueprints because that would just draw off the income. Presumably the prices are currently on the Sing Server, and of course will probably change as its finalized. Like with all aspects of eve... Have Patience YARRRR!!


the prices on Sisi are currently half a cent for a vanity item.

whic would be awesome but somehow I don't buy it without confirmation.


I was only presuming that they might be on there, but as I mentioned prices are more than likely in the final tweeking stages, and may change at a later date anyway to control the prices of PLEX as CCP doesn't want them to go sky high (like they are atm)

CCP Zinfandel

Posted - 2011.06.12 15:17:00 - [7]
 

Thanks for watching yesterday. This is my first chance to pop on and answer your questions.

We are still finalizing our pricing for the items. So in order to facilitate testing, we just put everything up for 1 Aurum or 2 Aurum. If you see a price suddenly change from 1 to 2 or 3, it's because I'm making changes in real time to test "offers" and I'm changing the price to be sure it's a new offer that is being displayed. But those prices are not going to resemble the real prices.

But the exchange rate is real. 1 PLEX converts into 3500 Aurum and that's not changing. And it's not variable. PLEX are just too big so we are breaking them down fairly small to give us lots of flexibility.

In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.

Regarding other blueprints like tattoos and clothing? We are still working on ideas like this. Those take design work but we hope to offer things in that general direction one day. No promises other than we won't get that far this year. We have a big queue of stuff for our designers to work on.

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.06.12 15:50:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Salpun on 12/06/2011 15:52:13
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Thanks for watching yesterday. This is my first chance to pop on and answer your questions.

We are still finalizing our pricing for the items. So in order to facilitate testing, we just put everything up for 1 Aurum or 2 Aurum. If you see a price suddenly change from 1 to 2 or 3, it's because I'm making changes in real time to test "offers" and I'm changing the price to be sure it's a new offer that is being displayed. But those prices are not going to resemble the real prices.

But the exchange rate is real. 1 PLEX converts into 3500 Aurum and that's not changing. And it's not variable. PLEX are just too big so we are breaking them down fairly small to give us lots of flexibility.

In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.

Regarding other blueprints like tattoos and clothing? We are still working on ideas like this. Those take design work but we hope to offer things in that general direction one day. No promises other than we won't get that far this year. We have a big queue of stuff for our designers to work on.


Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship????

Are you talking about the paint job on the ship?
Thanks for the info. You might want to sticky the info somewhere.

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.12 16:13:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Salpun
Edited by: Salpun on 12/06/2011 15:52:13

Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship????

Are you talking about the paint job on the ship?
Thanks for the info. You might want to sticky the info somewhere.


It's essentially a standard Scorpion, but with a lovely dark Ishukone Watch paintjob. Very Happy

CCP Zinfandel

Posted - 2011.06.12 16:25:00 - [10]
 

To clarify, the Ishukone Watch Scorpion and the standard Scorpion have exactly the same functionality. Exactly. The only differences are:
  • appearance
    name
    descriptive text
    item ID number
    market ID number


By having a different market ID, it shows up in the marketplace in a different list than the Scorpion.

Dalmont Delantee
Gallente
Shiloh Technologies
Posted - 2011.06.12 17:00:00 - [11]
 

CCP Zin, Do you have to have the ship first before the paint job.

Please say yes or there will massive fleets of the plant job if people can buy it with money :P

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.12 17:15:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Dalmont Delantee
CCP Zin, Do you have to have the ship first before the paint job.

Please say yes or there will massive fleets of the plant job if people can buy it with money :P


That was mentioned yesterday, you'd trade in the base-ship for the modified version, plus the Aurum cost of the modified paintjob.


Andrew Riviera
Caldari
The First Church of the Azure Carrot
Posted - 2011.06.12 17:45:00 - [13]
 

Do the words 'vague ballpark' not work around here? Can you at least give us a vague context for the sort of range we're looking at?

Jack Dant
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.12 21:11:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price.

So you will be magically spawning ships in exchange for real money? How's that going to affect the economy?

Is it possible to reprocess these ships? So you can get minerals nobody mined?

Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.06.12 21:17:00 - [15]
 

You know, AUR, ISK, PLEX.... All sounds like Wall Street or Forex.

In context: How much of your Real Life worth a in world full of internet spaceships...

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.06.12 21:18:00 - [16]
 

My guess is the origanal ship gets replaced in your hanger by the new one. Dev sayed all stats that would include reproccesing ammounts will remain the same.

Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.06.12 21:50:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Jack Dant
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price.

So you will be magically spawning ships in exchange for real money? How's that going to affect the economy?

Is it possible to reprocess these ships? So you can get minerals nobody mined?


And so it begins ...

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.13 02:22:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
But those prices are not going to resemble the real prices.

But the exchange rate is real. 1 PLEX converts into 3500 Aurum and that's not changing.

This is a content-free answer. Are we going to be looking at pants costing 7000 AUR or more in the vein of 50-100?

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.13 07:33:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Thanks for watching yesterday. This is my first chance to pop on and answer your questions.

We are still finalizing our pricing for the items. So in order to facilitate testing, we just put everything up for 1 Aurum or 2 Aurum. If you see a price suddenly change from 1 to 2 or 3, it's because I'm making changes in real time to test "offers" and I'm changing the price to be sure it's a new offer that is being displayed. But those prices are not going to resemble the real prices.

But the exchange rate is real. 1 PLEX converts into 3500 Aurum and that's not changing. And it's not variable. PLEX are just too big so we are breaking them down fairly small to give us lots of flexibility.

In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.

Regarding other blueprints like tattoos and clothing? We are still working on ideas like this. Those take design work but we hope to offer things in that general direction one day. No promises other than we won't get that far this year. We have a big queue of stuff for our designers to work on.


Thanks a lot for taking your time to reply, all lot of things are much clearer now : )

and as much as selling the ship for pure aurum is kinda... breaking a few rules... I gues it's ok if you PROMISE to change it needing a ship, and it's cost in aurum is in line isk value for a battleship+paint job.

Also while I understand the prices will change, and you've stated they aren't final. *it's good to know plex to aurum conversion is set in stone* Can't you give an idea on the prices? As in clothing will be in the single, double or triple digits? i don't need to know more than that. I really think keeping it double or single digits will increases the possiblity of a 2ndary market for sure but I jsut want a little hint at the price range plan.

Thanks again o/ we'll see in 9 days I guess. lol



also instead of Bpcs, maybe see if it's possible to make it a new form of aurum bought skill books. Different skill books give you knownledge of different tattoo designs. Might not be feasible but I think it would be neat. Since knowing how to draw isn't a blueprint type deal in my mind.


Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.13 10:11:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
To clarify, the Ishukone Watch Scorpion and the standard Scorpion have exactly the same functionality. Exactly.
By having a different market ID, it shows up in the marketplace in a different list than the Scorpion.

In EVE client there are many variations of faction ships non-flyable by player at the moment (like Blood Rider Maller or Roden Shipyards Megathron and many other npc ships). Also there is still old Scorpion model present and it looks like it's still updating.
Is there any possibility that we get someday these awesome ships in the shop?

Also I wonder if we can request somehow some items for the shop in the future. I mean some special outfit that don't break game immersion. Russian naval undershirts will sell good amongst DRF because it's cool and every man have wore this at least for one year in his life ugh

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.13 10:19:00 - [21]
 

Old model scorpion for aurum would be epic win. : D

I mean i think the new one is better, but it would be add a lot to the game since it's just a drastic change. like the maller basicly looks the same, so havig the old one wouldn't be a big deal. but classic scorpion? hell yes!

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.13 22:59:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.


Unacceptable. Even for a ship as uncommon as the Scorpion, the principles of the EVE Online sandbox should not be undermined in such a way. This feature should not launch until a Scorpion, or other T1 ship, is consumed in exchange for the re-skinned variant.

Vera Coen
Posted - 2011.06.13 23:04:00 - [23]
 

Instead of selling whole ships for Aurum, make a BPO that requires Aurum + a Scorpion battleship. The BPO can sell for 1 ISK if you like and if the Aurum count is low enough then the waste factor won't matter. It won't matter if there are 15,000 of these BPOs owned by players because it will require Aurum for each conversion. Or you can sell the BPO for Aurum and require Aurum as part of the mats.

That would seem to be a cleaner solution and prevent stepping onto a slippery slope.

Vile'er
Ungrateful Vile
Posted - 2011.06.14 00:18:00 - [24]
 

so... i can just buy scorpions in my outpost in deep 0.0 reprocess them (or are they magically immune to this) and then build my super caps with out ever having to mine again? and if we cant reprocess this....

cerbus
Minor Annoyance...
Posted - 2011.06.14 04:05:00 - [25]
 

yeah yeah yeah

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Lol mother, I told you already but you didn't believe me :P
Also confirming CCP Zinfandel has great hands <3 T'amber

cerbus

Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.14 06:41:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Mithfindel on 14/06/2011 07:00:57
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.


"Our code is broken, but we don't care."

By the way, I'd like an Ishukone Leviathan. Could you sell that in the item mall, too? Come on, it doesn't do any harm if you do it only for a short time.

EDIT: Since I'm on a good mood today, I'll present you with a solution that works now: Instead of selling ships for AUR, sell paintjob tokens. These tokens (possibly segregated by ship class, allowing you to price battleship/cruisers/frigate paintjobs differently) are consumed, along with a ship of an appropriate class, by a LP store.

Example: I want a shiny golden pimped Ishukone Scorpion.
(1) Buy battleship paintjob token for AUR.
(2) Buy a Scorpion battleship, made by players, not created from thin air
(3) Fly the Scorpion battleship and the paintjob token into an Ishukone station
(4) Access LP store, exchange Scorpion + token for an Ishukone issue Scorpion
Do note the distinct lack of battleships created from thin air. Took me less than 15 minutes of bittervet rage to come up with.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.14 07:24:00 - [27]
 

I'm glad that CCP is rushing out a fix to EVE's most pressing issue: The lack of instantly spawned, pretty Scorpions.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.14 07:56:00 - [28]
 


Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.06.14 09:06:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.

I am speechless. Once again you are releasing half-finished content; CCP hasn't changed a bit. And judging by your track record, it'll be 1-2 years before you fix this problem. *bitter* This is so disappointing. Sad

Furthermore, why can't you simply exchange a standard Scorpion for an Ishukone one? Isn't that basically what the LP store does?! How ****ed up does your code have to be that you can't implement this in an hour or two?

"Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it."
How is it even possible that you can't do that? How does copying a BPO work? Or invention?

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.14 11:35:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Dodgy Past on 14/06/2011 11:55:53
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.
So:
a) lol incompetent CSM, anything that breaks the sand box is unacceptable.

b) This is shockingly bad when all you need to do is follow the mechanics of the LP store and either do AURUM + Scorpion = special paint job scorpion, or AURUM = special paint job Scorpion BPC.

But nope, you've chosen to cut corners and immediately demonstrate how incompetence, lazyness and greed > maintaining the Eve economy. Got to hand it to you, none of this thin end of the wedge stuff, just jump straight in and break the game with no subtlety.

I suggest the following solution:
A well publicised campaign to suicide gank any of these ships until CCP fix the mechanics so they don't break the sandbox. ( lets just hope that the isk from insurance isn't greater than the amount that could be generated from selling PLEX )


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