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cynothurn
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:41:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: cynothurn on 10/06/2011 16:43:01
Dear CCP,

You have been actively labeling lots of things exploits in the game? Would you please label stealing wrecks an exploit? It very much should be with current conditions.

People on stations/gate steal loot jump or dock instantly. We have no recourse. It is not freaking fare when you would name all these other things exploits but not stealing loot. If the thief had 1 minute STATION aggro so he cant dock that would make things a bit easier. But people just steal instawarp or steal and insta dock with billions of loot and we cant even shoot them cuz they are docked. Exploit ? yes!


Please do something about this as a lot of people are talking about it in game that this issue needs attention.

You don't want the stupid game mechanic be the reason for negative experience


Let's do this petition style. Readers if you agree just say agree. if not say don't agree. we will count.

Conor Todaki
Pure Evil Warriors
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:44:00 - [2]
 

-1/10

Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:44:00 - [3]
 

Hands OP a flamesuit in preparation for incoming firestorm.


Rolare
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:45:00 - [4]
 

You mean ninja salvaging?

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:46:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lady Natacha
Hands OP a flamesuit in preparation for incoming firestorm.




Firestorm? It's more like a troll feeding time Cool

Guthsil
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:47:00 - [6]
 

PLEASE DO NOT TROLL. This is a real issue and trolls wouldn't be helpful

Rolare
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:49:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Rolare
You mean ninja salvaging?


I am asking question about what you mean :l

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:50:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 10/06/2011 16:51:09

The line between "exploit" and accepted game-play is a blurry one. What you are describing is considered "normal" game play. It's just the way things are...even if it doesnt make any sense or gives aggressors an unfair advantage.

EVE is a thief's world. It favors crime.

Guthsil
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:52:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Rolare
Originally by: Rolare
You mean ninja salvaging?


I am asking question about what you mean :l


not so much for salvaging. more like taking expensive modules from wrecks. if that's what you call ninja salvaging then yes. but i really think it's 2 different things. salvage away ... no a lot of people care about that. what's in the wreck is more valuable. you spend time planing a pvp kill... you kill a faction fit nightmare and some guy in an ibis has his screen setup to see only wrecks and steals it and warps out or docks with bilions.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: cynothurn
Would you please label stealing wrecks an exploit? It very much should be with current conditions.
How so?
Quote:
People on stations/gate steal loot jump or dock instantly.
So the supposed exploit is really docking, not the theft.
Quote:
Exploit ? yes!
Again, how so? What mechanics are not working as they should?

Guthsil
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:56:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Guthsil on 10/06/2011 16:57:32
Edited by: Guthsil on 10/06/2011 16:56:52
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: cynothurn
Would you please label stealing wrecks an exploit? It very much should be with current conditions.
How so?
Quote:
People on stations/gate steal loot jump or dock instantly.
So the supposed exploit is really docking, not the theft.
Quote:
Exploit ? yes!
Again, how so? What mechanics are not working as they should?


It's not that mechanics don't work. Looking at your battleclinic record Tippia I can see how you would not understand the reason for a requested change. One needs decent amount of pvp kills to understand how much money people who make the kills happen lose to loot stealing. Loot stealing would have been fine if we have 1 minute to kill the guy who stole it so jump or station 1 minute denial. Or give 20 seconds window so only the corp members of the victim or corp members of the aggressor gets access to the wrekc. I don't know just throwing some suggestions. The issue is a real one.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:01:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Guthsil
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: cynothurn
Would you please label stealing wrecks an exploit? It very much should be with current conditions.
How so?
Quote:
People on stations/gate steal loot jump or dock instantly.
So the supposed exploit is really docking, not the theft.
Quote:
Exploit ? yes!
Again, how so? What mechanics are not working as they should?


It's not that mechanics don't work. Looking at your battleclinic record Tippia I can see how you would not understand the reason for a requested change. One needs to decent amount of pvp kills to understand how much money people making kills happen lose to loot stealing. Loot stealing would have been fine if we have 1 minute to kill the guy who stole it so jump or station 1 minute denial. Or give 20 seconds window so only the corp members of the victim or corp members of the aggressor gets access to the wrekc. I don't know just throwing some suggestions. The issue is a real one.


Tippia is actually a ghestalt entity. It would be impossible to transpose precisely how this works in relation to eve, but rest-assured it isn't something battleclinic can possibly hope to quantify.

Also being sarcastic and cruel to as many people as possible is best done by proxy I find ... Very Happy

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:05:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 10/06/2011 17:07:01
Originally by: Guthsil
It's not that mechanics don't work.
So there is no exploit, then. Good.
Quote:
Looking at your battleclinic record Tippia I can see how you would not understand the reason for a requested change. One needs decent amount of pvp kills to understand how much money people who make the kills happen lose to loot stealing.
Ok, so it's not a problem either. Double-good.

/thread.

Btw, you missed the obvious (and much more truthful) swipe: "well, you must be one of them". Trust me, I know exactly how much the pirates lose out on… Twisted Evil And if you want to call on the BC killboards to make any kind of argument, you should post with your main — by your own logic, you have no clue whatsoever about how any of this works.

Gangster101 PureLove
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:05:00 - [14]
 

No, what is gay or absurd is the neutral rep'ers in high sec during fights.

They're not even flagged for combat.... pffff

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:24:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 10/06/2011 17:24:41
Originally by: Guthsil
Edited by: Guthsil on 10/06/2011 16:57:32
Edited by: Guthsil on 10/06/2011 16:56:52
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: cynothurn
Would you please label stealing wrecks an exploit? It very much should be with current conditions.
How so?
Quote:
People on stations/gate steal loot jump or dock instantly.
So the supposed exploit is really docking, not the theft.
Quote:
Exploit ? yes!
Again, how so? What mechanics are not working as they should?


It's not that mechanics don't work. Looking at your battleclinic record Tippia I can see how you would not understand the reason for a requested change. One needs decent amount of pvp kills to understand how much money people who make the kills happen lose to loot stealing. Loot stealing would have been fine if we have 1 minute to kill the guy who stole it so jump or station 1 minute denial. Or give 20 seconds window so only the corp members of the victim or corp members of the aggressor gets access to the wrekc. I don't know just throwing some suggestions. The issue is a real one.
so you're saying that a thief should not run?

GOODNESS GRACIOUS ME, THOU HAST DISCOVERETH THY CURE FOR CRIME!

here, have a herring.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:24:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Guthsil
PLEASE DO NOT TROLL. This is a real issue and trolls wouldn't be helpful


When something is working as intended, and the developers have said point blank that it is working as intended....

...Well golly gosh OP the only euphemism I can come up with for it is... working as ****ing intended you troll.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones

...Well golly gosh OP..


HEY!! Watch the language. There are children present.Evil or Very Mad

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:29:00 - [18]
 

They should declare shooting players a exploit

guns are for shooting monsters its dumb you can shoot people too

and its not fair too cause when im in my pod i cant shoot back :(

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:50:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Spurty on 10/06/2011 17:50:31
Originally by: Mister Smithington
They should declare shooting players a exploit

guns are for shooting monsters its dumb you can shoot people too

and its not fair too cause when im in my pod i cant shoot back :(


I recall there being a cool quote about guns not killing people, blasters especially!

Nueterals reppling should indeed become aligned when the rep someone. It is harboring an army during war for example but the tears!!

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:59:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Feligast on 10/06/2011 18:00:22
Originally by: cynothurn
It is not freaking fare


"fair"

And no.

Edit: I'll make a suggestion, tho. How about you leave Jita 4-4 once in a while, and this won't be a problem, mmk?

Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2011.06.10 18:05:00 - [21]
 

Don't stationcamp in Jita then.

This seems to be a good countering force for camping in heavily travelled systems. Now there's a downside to it, like many other things in Eve.

Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
Posted - 2011.06.10 18:11:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Guthsil
Edited by: Guthsil on 10/06/2011 16:57:32
Edited by: Guthsil on 10/06/2011 16:56:52
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: cynothurn
Would you please label stealing wrecks an exploit? It very much should be with current conditions.
How so?
Quote:
People on stations/gate steal loot jump or dock instantly.
So the supposed exploit is really docking, not the theft.
Quote:
Exploit ? yes!
Again, how so? What mechanics are not working as they should?


It's not that mechanics don't work. Looking at your battleclinic record Tippia I can see how you would not understand the reason for a requested change. One needs decent amount of pvp kills to understand how much money people who make the kills happen lose to loot stealing. Loot stealing would have been fine if we have 1 minute to kill the guy who stole it so jump or station 1 minute denial. Or give 20 seconds window so only the corp members of the victim or corp members of the aggressor gets access to the wrekc. I don't know just throwing some suggestions. The issue is a real one.


confirming the Op Thinks battleclinic it's the bible on EVE and Station camping and dock/undock games are the only true Pvp in EVE

P.S: if ppl is stealing most of your loot at stations/stargates or just warping away then sir you are pvping in the wrong area of the game.

Adelain Niska
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.06.10 18:12:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Guthsil
This is a real issue


No, it's not.

Koramok
Amarr
Cold Carbon Institute
Posted - 2011.06.10 19:26:00 - [24]
 

Is someone exploiting your exploit? That's so not fair!

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.10 19:33:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Guthsil not so much for salvaging. more like taking expensive modules from wrecks. if that's what you call ninja salvaging then yes. but i really think it's 2 different things. salvage away ... no a lot of people care about that. what's in the wreck is more valuable. you spend time planing a pvp kill... you kill a faction fit nightmare and some guy in an ibis has his screen setup to see only wrecks and steals it and warps out or docks with bilions.[/quote


This is EvE, possession is 10/10ths of the law. First man there to snatch whatever is floating in space wins the prize. That part of this game will not change, petition or no. It's part of CCP's core design.

If it's mods they are stealing, you and your corp can attack them freely for 15 minutes. Track them down, and give em hell.

If you're in low/null, just blast neutral ibis's hanging around (before you create a lucrative wreck). They're either there to ninja steal, or to spy on your fleet and give intel, or they're an unfortunate noob in the wrong place, wrong time. Just blast em. If you're in a fleet big enough to take down Nightmares, you can handle gate guns long enough, or simply have faster tackle to salvage before the ibis can. If not, get a better fleet.

If you're in highsec, and you just blew up a faction fit nightmare, and there's billions in loot, just about any ship could be concordokkened to take out said ibis. I don't care if you're in a battleship yourself - better to throw it away to concord, take out the ibis, and than have a trusted friend or alt grab the loot. You'll come out ahead.

CCP expects you to come up with clever solutions to this problem and protect your own spoils, by force if necessary. Game function is in no way being abused by what you describe, so don't expect any fixes.

Stuff happens, ninjas will be there sometimes, if you're really losing that much isk, either take em out, ignore them, or go ninja someone else's hard work. Its fun, and lucrative!

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.10 19:37:00 - [26]
 

Pathetic 0/10 Don't try harder next time, just don't even bother.

Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.10 19:44:00 - [27]
 

The funny thing is what the OP not consideres.

He wants the loot from the wrecks he shot and want to punish the ones for "taking floating junk".
But what happens if the thief is forced to stay out for a minute? Nothing. The killing pilot still cant do anything about him since the killed one (and his corp) gets the killrights.


And station aggro? Why should the station control order the sentries to engage a ship which did no harm?

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.06.10 19:46:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
The funny thing is what the OP not consideres.

He wants the loot from the wrecks he shot and want to punish the ones for "taking floating junk".
But what happens if the thief is forced to stay out for a minute? Nothing. The killing pilot still cant do anything about him since the killed one (and his corp) gets the killrights.


And station aggro? Why should the station control order the sentries to engage a ship which did no harm?

Laughing
Totally forgot that. The loot doesn't belong to the OP anyway.

Scorpionidae
Posted - 2011.06.10 19:46:00 - [29]
 

Is someone upset because his one bit of ammo got took and he didn't get to kill the person?

Scorpionidae Laughing

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.06.10 21:20:00 - [30]
 

quit playing station games all day long?

serious, If you stopped doing that weak little 1v1 @ 0m off the dock BS you highsec CAREBEARS call pvp, you wouldn't have nearly as many problems with the peanut gallery scooping up the lewt.

DUELING IS SOOPID (with 2 Os)


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