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Das Oskold
Posted - 2011.06.09 21:36:00 - [1]
 

“Religion is a terminal illness whose symptoms include the loss of common sense, humility, rational thinking,
and in your case, moral decency.”
- Gallente Ambassador Jacques Allirou, Caille Summit, 23220

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.09 21:50:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 09/06/2011 21:50:45
This ambassador might have not been very intelligent to say such a thing, living in such a confusion about religion and terminology.

Tamur Theorabies
Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative
Posted - 2011.06.09 22:51:00 - [3]
 

An illustrative example of how people are being persecuted for their faith.

Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.09 23:04:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Das Oskold
“Athiesm is a terminal illness whose symptoms include the loss of common sense, humility, rational thinking, and in my case, the ability to keep my mouth shut.”


Fixed that for you.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.06.09 23:10:00 - [5]
 

Oh boy, here we go again...

It is neither religion nor the lack thereof that causes people to be irrational or lack humility/etc. It is the individual person. The fact that there are both theists and atheists that are equally stupid and vain demonstrates this.

Victoria Stecker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.06.10 00:51:00 - [6]
 

Ah, but they are far to concerned with being right to care about being arrogant or vain. Humility is one of the first things sacrificed in the search for truth.

... I must be drinking, that actually sounded profound.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.10 01:27:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq
Originally by: Das Oskold
“Athiesm is a terminal illness whose symptoms include rationality.”


Fixed that for you.


Fixed that for you.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.10 01:31:00 - [8]
 

Greatest ambassador ever, just because he had the balls to say that...

Curious about what the response was. Twisted Evil


Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.10 02:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq
Originally by: Das Oskold
“Life is a terminal illness whose symptoms include stupidity.”


Fixed that for you.


Fixed that for you.


Fixed again so that no one can argue with it.

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.06.10 02:44:00 - [10]
 

Because surely, The Amarr Faith is the only religion in the Galaxy...

How do Gallente politicians insult their own public and remain in office?

Ston Momaki
Caldari
Disciples of Ston
Posted - 2011.06.10 02:53:00 - [11]
 

"Religion pure and undefiled is this, to look after widows and orphans in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world..." (a quote from a very spiritual person who was very critical of religion)
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.06.10 03:19:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Graelyn
Because surely, The Amarr Faith is the only religion in the Galaxy...

How do Gallente politicians insult their own public and remain in office?


*shrugs* I guess it's the 'Insult everyone, insult no one' philosophy.


Honorius Vitellius
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.10 04:25:00 - [13]
 

This “ambassador” shows a clear inability to pursue any diplomatic activity with common sense, humility, rational thinking, and moral decency. By his own flawed logic, what should this situation indicate?


Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.10 05:51:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Honorius Vitellius
This “ambassador” shows a clear inability to pursue any diplomatic activity with common sense, humility, rational thinking, and moral decency.


No he doesn't.

He just said one thing you didn't like.

Karmilla Strife
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Posted - 2011.06.10 06:16:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Das Oskold
"and in your case, moral decency.”
- Gallente Ambassador Jacques Allirou, Caille Summit, 23220


Ably spoken by an ambassador of the culture that brought us holo-**** and transparent clothing. Of course his argument falls flat when we see how our terminal illness has lead to such a long-lived society.

Kontrahage
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.10 07:29:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Kontrahage on 10/06/2011 07:30:18
Originally by: Das Oskold
“Religion is a terminal illness whose symptoms include the loss of common sense, humility, rational thinking,
and in your case, moral decency.”
- Gallente Ambassador Jacques Allirou, Caille Summit, 23220


It confuses me that a representative of a truly liberal, tolerant and pluralistic society containing
countles ethnicities and religions would say such a thing. Have there been any consequences or is this just another example of the gallentean bigotry?

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.10 07:59:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Karmilla Strife
Ably spoken by an ambassador of the culture that brought us holo-**** and transparent clothing. Of course his argument falls flat when we see how our terminal illness has lead to such a long-lived society.


A long-lived society that not only could not in two thousand years make the same technological progress the Federation made in five hundred, but destroyed almost all progress made by another. A society that successfully committed a genocide. A society that attempts to not only conquer but utterly destroy cultures purely out of monumental vanity. A society that attributes nine generations of sin to those not of its chosen ethnicity, but refuses to take any responsibility for its actions.

The Empire is morally degenerate and is inhabited by moral degenerates.

And for your information, do you know what else is long-lived?

Syphillis.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.10 08:55:00 - [18]
 

Yet more anti-Amarrian propaganda from the Gallentean ruling caste.

Truly, they are servants of the Deceiver.

Arokh Ken'shar
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.10 12:59:00 - [19]
 

One thing to say.

Adults with imaginary friends are stupid.

Thank you for not littering your mind.

Sylorin
Caldari
MMZ Laboratories LLC
Posted - 2011.06.10 13:34:00 - [20]
 

To the best of our scientific ability, there is no conclusive evidence to prove the existance of God.

Of course, there's no conclusive evidence to disprove the existance of God.

Faith is best left up to the individual, but just in case the faithful are right, it dosen't hurt to be polite about the subject.


Valerie Valate
Amarr
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Posted - 2011.06.10 13:34:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Graelyn
How do Gallente politicians insult their own public and remain in office?


It is possible he did not.

1. Many Intaki work in the Federations civil service.
2. Many Intaki are religious, e.g. the Ida thing and the Reborn.
3. Civil servants enjoy embarrassing politicians.

So, I suspect that this quote from the Ambassador was leaked by an Intaki civil servant, which would eventually lead to the Ambassador being recalled and dismissed as being unsuitable for office.

Althus Treefingers
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.06.10 13:56:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Das Oskold
“Religion is a terminal illness whose symptoms include the loss of common sense, humility, rational thinking,
and in your case, moral decency.”
- Gallente Ambassador Jacques Allirou, Caille Summit, 23220


Ugh... as if that settles anything.

Life is the terminal illness. No matter how you live it, it ends. Even we capsuleers can't outlive the universe. You and everyone and everything that carries your memory will someday be as gone as anything can be; you will forget and be forgotten. In light of this, Mr. Ambassador's self-righteousness is exactly as justified as that of this smug-looking paperweight on my desk.

Nausea
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.10 14:32:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Das Oskold
“Religion is a terminal illness whose symptoms include the loss of common sense, humility, rational thinking,
and in your case, moral decency.”
- Gallente Ambassador Jacques Allirou, Caille Summit, 23220


A provocative statement that is decidedly more sweeping than you may want to make it, pilot Oskold. It may originally have been addressed to an Amarrian. It just as easily could have been aimed at a member of the Sani Sabik.

Or an Intaki Reborn.

Or an Achuran.

Or a Minmatar seeking to rediscover his culture's spirtuality.

Or any of a number of groups with spiritual beliefs that don't happen to be Amarrian.

I'm ambivalent, neutral, have no real thoughts on religion, any of them, one way or another. There are certainly many reasons to be dislike the Empire.

Attacking them merely because they have religious beliefs, (and not, say, any specific beliefs), as that statement does, is not one of them.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.10 17:38:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Victoria Stecker
Humility is one of the first things sacrificed in the search for truth.

... I must be drinking, that actually sounded profound.


I think that you must be drunk, indeed. I am sober and that sounds totally illogical.

The search for Truth has nothing to do with hubris. You have to be humble and open minded for that to work properly.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.10 18:11:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 10/06/2011 18:11:24
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Yet more anti-Amarrian propaganda from the Gallentean ruling caste.

Truly, they are servants of the Deceiver.


You can't be a serveant of the Deceiver if you're telling the honest truth. I'd say I'm sorry that the truth offends you, but that would be... well, dishonest.

Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.06.10 20:23:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Das Oskold
“Religion is a terminal illness whose symptoms include the loss of common sense, humility, rational thinking,
and in your case, moral decency.”
- Gallente Ambassador Jacques Allirou, Caille Summit, 23220


As with it seems almost any quote referenced by capsuleers regarding this particular topic, it would seem that this one has been taken out of context and subsequently used in a transparent attempt to stir some form of conflict.

We request that the initiator of this topic release a full transcript of the conversation or monologue this quote was taken from, as it would seem to be aimed at a specific individual, and knowledge of whom would, in our opinion, likely stem a large portion of the indignation caused.

We Return.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.06.10 22:35:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente
Greatest ambassador ever, just because he had the balls to say that...

Curious about what the response was. Twisted Evil




In the Federation? Thunderous applause. That was neither risky nor controversial considering his audience.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.10 23:49:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Aiwha
In the Federation? Thunderous applause. That was neither risky nor controversial considering his audience.


And that's a beautiful thing.

Arista Shahni
Amarr
Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
Posted - 2011.06.11 02:09:00 - [29]
 

Sometimes it is a beautiful thing to not care about the words of politicians.

Kentt Em'asep
Minmatar
Sec Det 125
Posted - 2011.06.11 05:18:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente
Greatest ambassador ever, just because he had the balls to say that...

Curious about what the response was. Twisted Evil



Originally by: Unit XS365BT

We request that the initiator of this topic release a full transcript of the conversation or monologue this quote was taken from



I did a bit of research and came up with this context out of a book called Theodicy which can be found in the archives here. The quote is found near the end at the beginning of chapter 6. I have been enjoying this book since I found it.

That same exact quote is also found in other articles like this one about a United Federation of Eurondia, somewhere near the start. The rest is just about its government and stuff.

I also searched throughout other areas but all are just bits and pieces. Another speaker whom is part of this speech is a Oturus Feinz, an Amarrian Ambassador


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