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Topic |
Bentos
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.06.09 06:42:00 - [ 1]
Having been the victim of frigate can flippers in 0.6 space one too many times, I was looking for some advice on which HAC to use to warp back and pop em. I have an snipe eagle but can never blow them up before they can warp away. Ideally I'd like it to be a HAC as I've spent tons of time on the HAC skills.
Any suggestions please? |
Zindela
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge |
Posted - 2011.06.09 06:45:00 - [ 2]
Ishtar.
Could fit it with a tank they can't break, with about half a million Warrior IIs. Add in a few medium neuts, and some 220 ACs, and frigates are going to die. |
Templatus |
Posted - 2011.06.09 06:59:00 - [ 3]
Is anybody going to dare "steal" their ore back from a can flipper lurking in a HAC? If your answer is "yes", then perhaps a Sacrilege will work. The short range is less of a problem since you'll be waiting on top of the can anyway (and they have to come close to pick it up). Also, it has a sturdy tank in case the fight escalates.
I'd pick a cheaper ship though. First of all, losing a HAC to someone trying to trick you into can flipping and then having friends join (we did this with hot spot aligned backup - 8 second travel time) really sucks. Plus, your chances of someone actually picking up the can increase by using a cheaper and less imposing ship. Like a simple rifter. |
Bentos
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.06.09 07:10:00 - [ 4]
Generally the can flippers sit there and wait for me to make a move after they flipped my can. They don't expect me to warp and away and come back in a combat ship. It's just with an Eagle Sniper I can't kill them fast enough. Ishtar looks cool, just hate relying on drone AI.
Problem 2, some of them like to flip the can and then hide in stealth. |
Dracoliche
Stiff Pickle Collection Agency |
Posted - 2011.06.09 07:11:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: Templatus
Is anybody going to dare "steal" their ore back from a can flipper lurking in a HAC? If your answer is "yes", then perhaps a Sacrilege will work. The short range is less of a problem since you'll be waiting on top of the can anyway (and they have to come close to pick it up). Also, it has a sturdy tank in case the fight escalates.
I'd pick a cheaper ship though. First of all, losing a HAC to someone trying to trick you into can flipping and then having friends join (we did this with hot spot aligned backup - 8 second travel time) really sucks. Plus, your chances of someone actually picking up the can increase by using a cheaper and less imposing ship. Like a simple rifter.
l2read |
luvmehard
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.06.09 07:46:00 - [ 6]
Just come back for your ore in a Transport Ship.
If you really want to brawl about, it might be a bit difficult to pull it solo. No sane canflipper will stick around to see you warp back in a badass ship with murder in your eyes. Not unless it's a bait which would make you the idiot.
Ask a (out of corp) friend in a combat ship (or train an alt) to jet a can for you to mine into and warp off grid, than align to that bookmarked can. The rest is obvious. |
Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
STRAG3S
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Posted - 2011.06.09 07:55:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: Bentos
Ishtar looks cool, just hate relying on drone AI.
Exactly what is wrong with drone AI? They go there and shoot at things when you tell them to. They orbit and MWD when appropriate. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.06.09 08:01:00 - [ 8]
Sebo Drone Cruisers preferably. The reason is that you will need something that will lock down the target fast, deal DPS to the Frigate and most importantly be able to jam whoever is pointing you with ECM Drones for when their Guardian Alt shows up. Arbitrator, Curse, Pilgram, Ishtar, Vexor or Gila. If you can tank the Hulk? being agressed with DCU, MSE, 2 Invulns, 3 CDSE Rigs, ECM Drones and a Scram, you can get point just before the 2 Web Drone Cruiser warps in and puts EC-600 on them to allow the Hulk to escape and you to kill your prey.
Remember never ever take from there cans and watch closely for the RR Alt they may have, jam the tackle not the RR or you might see a Hurricane they shipped up to warping in. If you see an Orca pop in they are using the Corp Hanger to hot swap for a better ship, try to get out fast but be prepped to jam them.
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Bentos
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.06.09 08:36:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Originally by: Bentos
Ishtar looks cool, just hate relying on drone AI.
Exactly what is wrong with drone AI? They go there and shoot at things when you tell them to. They orbit and MWD when appropriate.
This is why I don't like drone AI: While using mining drones, NPC's spawn, I tell my mining drones to go into the bay, NPC's attack while drones are going to bay, I pop out my combat drones, NPC's jam me, since the NPCs have already engaged me the combat drones just float around not defending me even while I have 3 NPCs shooting at me. I have to wait until a break in the jamming to lock on the NPC and tell the drones to attack. Whereas if I already had the combat drones out and the NPCs attacked me the drones would autodefend regardless of me getting a lock on the NPCs. Hence the anti drone comment. |
Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx |
Posted - 2011.06.09 11:42:00 - [ 10]
Vaga. |
Goose99 |
Posted - 2011.06.09 11:42:00 - [ 11]
Smartbombs? |
McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:01:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: McRoll on 09/06/2011 14:02:47
I suggest a Muninn with targeting system subcontroller rigs, sebos and a rack of 720's. If a T1 frigate is flipping you, it is likely that it gets shredded by one volley. Keep a flight of light drones and small neuts fitted if he dares to fly under your guns or if you screw up somehow.
The cheaper variant would be an equally fitted Hurricane, it doesnt have the optimal and tracking bonus of the Muninn however.
The deluxe variant is a Loki with turret concurrence registry and tactical targeting subsystems. It offers you 5k alpha together with a lock time of a second on a frigate. I scored around 100 kills of frigs and pods in highsec wars on that thing and higly recommend it. Downside is the price and paper tank in this config- you need a faction web to slow down frigs and to keep your range if you cant desrtoy them with the initial volley, its pretty easy to screw up. |
Blacksquirrel |
Posted - 2011.06.09 14:09:00 - [ 13]
I prefer my cloaked loki waiting near by with dual web range bonus.
Just can flipped me...and waiting for me to respond eh... Ok gimme a sec. |
Leetha Layne |
Posted - 2011.06.09 14:40:00 - [ 14]
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations |
Posted - 2011.06.09 15:03:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Goose99
Smartbombs?
That's an excellent idea! Smarties certainly aren't known for hitting small bits of "neutral" space dust, and getting anyone and everyone Concorded in High Sec. Do that! |
Bentos
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.06.09 16:03:00 - [ 16]
Thanks for feedback so far. The guys in this system don't seem sophisticated enough to have a group or an orca alt floating out there. Just loners out there looking for easy kills in their rifters/merlins but it is good to know that they could do that. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops |
Posted - 2011.06.09 19:50:00 - [ 17]
Edited by: Hauling Hal on 09/06/2011 19:52:25 Originally by: Bentos
Having been the victim of frigate can flippers in 0.6 space one too many times, I was looking for some advice on which HAC to use to warp back and pop em. I have an snipe eagle but can never blow them up before they can warp away. Ideally I'd like it to be a HAC as I've spent tons of time on the HAC skills.
Any suggestions please?
A Hulk with 1 laser (to look like a miner), 2 neuts, web, scram and Warriors. Hulk killing can flipperhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U |
Julien Brellier |
Posted - 2011.06.09 19:51:00 - [ 18]
A dual-webbing Huginn with autocannons, assault missiles and drones should do nicely. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing |
Posted - 2011.06.09 20:08:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Hauling Hal
Edited by: Hauling Hal on 09/06/2011 19:52:25
Originally by: Bentos
Having been the victim of frigate can flippers in 0.6 space one too many times, I was looking for some advice on which HAC to use to warp back and pop em. I have an snipe eagle but can never blow them up before they can warp away. Ideally I'd like it to be a HAC as I've spent tons of time on the HAC skills.
Any suggestions please?
A Hulk with 1 laser (to look like a miner), 2 neuts, web, scram and Warriors.
Hulk killing can flipper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U
This is what I was gonna suggest. |
Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned. |
Posted - 2011.06.09 20:51:00 - [ 20]
If you can warp right on top of them then Ishtar with 2x web, scram, sebo, mwd will eat them up.
However, a hac will make an expensive loss if they have a buddy or come back with something bigger.
I'd suggest you get an alt or Corp mate in on the deal. |
Gavin DeVries |
Posted - 2011.06.09 22:47:00 - [ 21]
Why use a HAC? Granted they can be very good, but as stated if they do have backup or an Orca you could be in for an expensive loss. Use a battlecruiser instead. You can fit out a Hurricane with 220mm autocannons and murder frigates, if the target switches to a bigger combat ship you have a decent chance of winning or escaping, and if you do lose you can insure it to cover most of the loss. |
ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God |
Posted - 2011.06.10 03:19:00 - [ 22]
Titan. /Thread. ...oh, you said 0.6 space. Nvm then.  |
Miles Parabellum |
Posted - 2011.06.10 12:42:00 - [ 23]
Let me get this straigt..
You're the victim of can flippers. They come to your can in T1 frigs, flip it, then sit completely still waiting for your move, and you don't know what ship to use to shoot them?
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Lin-Young Borovskova |
Posted - 2011.06.10 13:02:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova on 10/06/2011 13:02:26 Originally by: Blacksquirrel
I prefer my cloaked loki waiting near by with dual web range bonus.
Just can flipped me...and waiting for me to respond eh... Ok gimme a sec.
mmmm, I like the cloaky proteus for this. uncloak F1-F2-F3 *plop* Collect garbage, post e-peen, copy/pasta in corps chat *hey guys another sucker in the whole*  |
Akiba Penrose
The Praxis Initiative |
Posted - 2011.06.10 20:52:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Miles Parabellum
Let me get this straigt..
You're the victim of can flippers. They come to your can in T1 frigs, flip it, then sit completely still waiting for your move, and you don't know what ship to use to shoot them?
 /thread |
Tyme Xandr
Gallente
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.06.11 05:14:00 - [ 26]
Dude keeps saying they warp away, fit a disruptor/scram and OH it if needed. |
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