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Better Than You
Posted - 2011.06.06 12:15:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Better Than You on 06/06/2011 12:30:56
Having the best moon mineral isolated in one area of space is simply wrong. It is time for it to be fixed so the moon minerals are mixed and spread throughout the galaxy so everyone has a fair shot in getting on on the liquid gold.

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.06 14:40:00 - [2]
 

I too would like to see less incentives for bloc level combat. Rolling Eyes

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront

Posted - 2011.06.06 15:18:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Danika Princip
I too would like to see less incentives for bloc level combat. Rolling Eyes

And how much fighting has been done over the 60-100 valuable moons in the north?
A dozen have been used for ping-pong by bored capital blobs but on the whole they have acted as ISK printing presses.

Wars have so far been over ePeen/Grudges (Goon/BoB) and Space to lease out (everywhere pre-nerf). Some of the early wars, before the T2 overhaul and resulting moon changes there were a lot of skirmishing to control the big faucets but that is ancient history.

Static incomes should be nerfed, period. All of them.

If one wants ISK one should be forced to interact with game on a regular/daily basis.
PI has the right idea, with several degrees of efficiency available dependent on mood or time spent.

If one wants ISK one should be forced to put oneself "out there" where the hurt lives.
PI has a partial right idea with the space jettisoned product leaving a hauler open to attack. Needs to be even more vulnerable if you ask me though, maybe Dust will provide some more options but if not then planetary defence/offence installations should be introduced.

Juliette DuBois
Posted - 2011.06.06 16:20:00 - [4]
 

All good moons should be in one system for glorious daily thunderdome action. Twisted Evil

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.06 19:39:00 - [5]
 

You mean like last time they tried to fix dyspro ?

steave435
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.06 19:49:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Danika Princip
I too would like to see less incentives for bloc level combat. Rolling Eyes

And how much fighting has been done over the 60-100 valuable moons in the north?
A dozen have been used for ping-pong by bored capital blobs but on the whole they have acted as ISK printing presses.

Wars have so far been over ePeen/Grudges (Goon/BoB) and Space to lease out (everywhere pre-nerf). Some of the early wars, before the T2 overhaul and resulting moon changes there were a lot of skirmishing to control the big faucets but that is ancient history.

Static incomes should be nerfed, period. All of them.

If one wants ISK one should be forced to interact with game on a regular/daily basis.
PI has the right idea, with several degrees of efficiency available dependent on mood or time spent.

If one wants ISK one should be forced to put oneself "out there" where the hurt lives.
PI has a partial right idea with the space jettisoned product leaving a hauler open to attack. Needs to be even more vulnerable if you ask me though, maybe Dust will provide some more options but if not then planetary defence/offence installations should be introduced.

Just a few months ago, PL held every tech moon in Venal, about 70 or so. They do change hands.

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.06 23:18:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Danika Princip
I too would like to see less incentives for bloc level combat. Rolling Eyes

And how much fighting has been done over the 60-100 valuable moons in the north?
A dozen have been used for ping-pong by bored capital blobs but on the whole they have acted as ISK printing presses.

Wars have so far been over ePeen/Grudges (Goon/BoB) and Space to lease out (everywhere pre-nerf). Some of the early wars, before the T2 overhaul and resulting moon changes there were a lot of skirmishing to control the big faucets but that is ancient history.

Static incomes should be nerfed, period. All of them.

If one wants ISK one should be forced to interact with game on a regular/daily basis.
PI has the right idea, with several degrees of efficiency available dependent on mood or time spent.

If one wants ISK one should be forced to put oneself "out there" where the hurt lives.
PI has a partial right idea with the space jettisoned product leaving a hauler open to attack. Needs to be even more vulnerable if you ask me though, maybe Dust will provide some more options but if not then planetary defence/offence installations should be introduced.


Considering the fact that I see multiple moon defence fleets going up every week, and the odd attack too, I would say that there is plenty of conflict generated by moons. As the PL guys states, moons in Venal change hands a lot, and they aren't the only ones.

Mr R4nd0m
Posted - 2011.06.07 18:32:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 07/06/2011 18:32:34
nerf moon gold completely ITS A FECKING JOKE!!!! Free stupid amounts of isk for doing nothing!

Randomise Moon Minerals every month R64 moons get moved around..ffs at least let ppl work for it, and at least let normal people have a chance of getting one if only for a month!

70 Tech moon in venal is a **** take too....

Shiroi Kiba
Posted - 2011.06.08 03:49:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Shiroi Kiba on 08/06/2011 03:50:30
I'd like to see moon goo to be a limited resource and that it can be mined out. Not the limitless isk tap we have now. It should take 3 months to remove all the resources from a moon.

Once all the tech/dyspro/"insert and goo here" has been mined from a moon another moon goo resource is placed somewhere else in Eve.

This would have an impact on RMT'ing as the moons will be distributed throughout the universe.

May spark border wars over newly aquired moon materials with your neighbours.

Will also make people have to re-scan moons in their region on an ongoing basis.

Smaller entities may be able to hold the valuable moons without having a 100+ super capital blob as backup.

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:20:00 - [10]
 

NC qq thread ftw :)

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.08 09:53:00 - [11]
 

Not so sold on the 'randomize' resources, idea. If only we had that magic quantum reality changing device. America could have used it to make all the middle eastern oil deposits appear under california.

Seriously though, if people knew that resources were going to 'rerandomize' every X months, then it would cause a serious disruption in the activity of an alliance. Not to mention the most obvious negative effect of this: why bother building up infrastructure or investing any isk in a system if you aren't sure you are going to get at least a certain return on its value? In fact, why bother even fight wars at all if the strategic value of systems would randomly shuffle about every X cycle? What will end up happening is that you may just end up sitting and waiting for next cycle's reshuffle. This will cause the exact opposite effect to occur that you intended. No body will fight any wars for resources anymore. Peace will reign throughout the galaxy. Utopia realized. And with it, boredom. And everyone will just stop playing. :)

(okay I embellished the last bit a tad)



Eperor
Posted - 2011.06.08 12:35:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Eperor on 08/06/2011 12:36:48
Originally by: Shiroi Kiba
Edited by: Shiroi Kiba on 08/06/2011 03:50:30
I'd like to see moon goo to be a limited resource and that it can be mined out. Not the limitless isk tap we have now. It should take 3 months to remove all the resources from a moon.

Once all the tech/dyspro/"insert and goo here" has been mined from a moon another moon goo resource is placed somewhere else in Eve.

This would have an impact on RMT'ing as the moons will be distributed throughout the universe.

May spark border wars over newly aquired moon materials with your neighbours.

Will also make people have to re-scan moons in their region on an ongoing basis.

Smaller entities may be able to hold the valuable moons without having a 100+ super capital blob as backup.

then need nwew mechanics how allainces and corp wil resive soem isk for all reinbursments etc. sov holdings etc. big projects Taxes defently not inaf.

Ah forgot suopt tech treat ;)

Howen
Posted - 2011.06.08 15:08:00 - [13]
 

New idea let's add a random moon resources with limited avaibility in WH. It
will make wh more interesting and of cource make more sense for capturing WH.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.06.09 01:54:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Howen
New idea let's add a random moon resources with limited avaibility in WH. It
will make wh more interesting and of cource make more sense for capturing WH.

This.

Not a lot of resources, so Null is still the best place, but a small amount to prevent complete resource blocks.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.09 07:28:00 - [15]
 

That may work. But let's see some stats on the distributions. Is this magic gold only found in a certain region of space?

Echo Mande
Posted - 2011.06.09 14:06:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Echo Mande on 09/06/2011 14:58:42
Edited by: Echo Mande on 09/06/2011 14:07:30
Tech needs a correction, IMO needs it badly and there are a couple of ways this can be done. First and foremost the advanced materials (T2 component) contents would have to be changed (again) to remove the dependence on Tech. The second way to balance it might be to rethink alchemy, allowing alchemy of R32 reaction products (and perhaps even R16) in addition to those involving R64 goo. Allowing alchemy of those materials would also go a good way towards permanently breaking moon goo cartels while probably stimulating moon mining and lowsec POS-keeping in general as well while creating new targets to go after. To help keep POS keepers sane a reduction in CPU and grid use of reactors and related item might be a good thing as well.

Comments are welcome.

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.10 10:33:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mr R4nd0m
Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 07/06/2011 18:32:34
nerf moon gold completely ITS A FECKING JOKE!!!! Free stupid amounts of isk for doing nothing!

Randomise Moon Minerals every month R64 moons get moved around..ffs at least let ppl work for it, and at least let normal people have a chance of getting one if only for a month!

70 Tech moon in venal is a **** take too....


Spike those T2 prices right through the roof! 1 bil isk vagabonds for all!

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.10 10:57:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: Mr R4nd0m
Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 07/06/2011 18:32:34
nerf moon gold completely ITS A FECKING JOKE!!!! Free stupid amounts of isk for doing nothing!

Randomise Moon Minerals every month R64 moons get moved around..ffs at least let ppl work for it, and at least let normal people have a chance of getting one if only for a month!

70 Tech moon in venal is a **** take too....


Spike those T2 prices right through the roof! 1 bil isk vagabonds for all!


You mean t1 ships will be used for PVP again ?

Eperor
Posted - 2011.06.10 11:31:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Eperor on 10/06/2011 11:37:58
Edited by: Eperor on 10/06/2011 11:34:51
Edited by: Eperor on 10/06/2011 11:32:28
Originally by: Echo Mande
Edited by: Echo Mande on 09/06/2011 14:58:42
Edited by: Echo Mande on 09/06/2011 14:07:30
Tech needs a correction, IMO needs it badly and there are a couple of ways this can be done. First and foremost the advanced materials (T2 component) contents would have to be changed (again) to remove the dependence on Tech. The second way to balance it might be to rethink alchemy, allowing alchemy of R32 reaction products (and perhaps even R16) in addition to those involving R64 goo. Allowing alchemy of those materials would also go a good way towards permanently breaking moon goo cartels while probably stimulating moon mining and lowsec POS-keeping in general as well while creating new targets to go after. To help keep POS keepers sane a reduction in CPU and grid use of reactors and related item might be a good thing as well.

Comments are welcome.


Actualy this wil not woek with alcieme wil be again after soem time not wotth tio do alcemie curently allready not worht. IF you wiling to make alchieme that all ting needto be remade, for now you need 5 allchiemi large poses tio suplay ione reaction chiene thatr not worth to do att all only for tech even that cost to much to suply thios Large towers, 330 araund cost 1 large tower permonth with curent PI and ICE product prices. so that wil cost in POS fuele araund 1,5 bilj isk, IF afcors allchiemie to wil be remade to suplay full chiene off reactrion with one large tower than that culd work but curent mechanics such on alciemie.

Can work again change to increase demand for smal reactions like sylramic fibers and racial reactions like tungsten carbide et. thos curently almost not worth to make att all.

And moon go cant be nerfed that its only one ting wath actualy hold allainces live and suport sov payments, ship reinbursments etc. Fitout that pasive income even corps wuil sofer and wil need to increase drasticly taxes laike curent medium tax its 15% than medium tax minumu mwill be 25% or 30%, moon go its to important income for corps and allainces to get rede off it.

Eny way T2 building need some lowe to now this day its not worth to make ney t2 ship with have BPO, T2 BPOS need to taked out off game permanetly that wil give more industrialsts chane to ern money not only some coulpe ppl in eve. Afcors that wil increase oprice abit but market wil verry fast regulate it, and that wuil increase demant for for all reactions to specuialy small reactions like sulramic fibers and racial rections.

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.10 11:39:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Eperor
Edited by: Eperor on 10/06/2011 11:37:58
Edited by: Eperor on 10/06/2011 11:34:51
Edited by: Eperor on 10/06/2011 11:32:28
Originally by: Echo Mande
Edited by: Echo Mande on 09/06/2011 14:58:42
Edited by: Echo Mande on 09/06/2011 14:07:30
Tech needs a correction, IMO needs it badly and there are a couple of ways this can be done. First and foremost the advanced materials (T2 component) contents would have to be changed (again) to remove the dependence on Tech. The second way to balance it might be to rethink alchemy, allowing alchemy of R32 reaction products (and perhaps even R16) in addition to those involving R64 goo. Allowing alchemy of those materials would also go a good way towards permanently breaking moon goo cartels while probably stimulating moon mining and lowsec POS-keeping in general as well while creating new targets to go after. To help keep POS keepers sane a reduction in CPU and grid use of reactors and related item might be a good thing as well.

Comments are welcome.


Actualy this wil not woek with alcieme wil be again after soem time not wotth tio do alcemie curently allready not worht. IF you wiling to make alchieme that all ting needto be remade, for now you need 5 allchiemi large poses tio suplay ione reaction chiene thatr not worth to do att all only for tech even that cost to much to suply thios Large towers, 330 araund cost 1 large tower permonth with curent PI and ICE product prices. so that wil cost in POS fuele araund 1,5 bilj isk, IF afcors allchiemie to wil be remade to suplay full chiene off reactrion with one large tower than that culd work but curent mechanics such on alciemie.

Can work again change to increase demand for smal reactions like sylramic fibers and racial reactions like tungsten carbide et. thos curently almost not worth to make att all.

And moon go cant be nerfed that its only one ting wath actualy hold allainces live and suport sov payments, ship reinbursments etc. Fitout that pasive income even corps wuil sofer and wil need to increase drasticly taxes laike curent medium tax its 15% than medium tax minumu mwill be 25% or 30%, moon go its to important income for corps and allainces to get rede off it.

Eny way T2 building need some lowe to now this day its not worth to make ney t2 ship with have BPO, T2 BPOS need to taked out off game permanetly that wil give more industrialsts chane to ern money not only some coulpe ppl in eve. Afcors that wil increase oprice abit but market wil verry fast regulate it, and that wuil increase demant for for all reactions to specuialy small reactions like sulramic fibers and racial rections.


Can someone translate this into English?

Lin-Young Borovskova
Posted - 2011.06.10 12:56:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Better Than You
Having the best moon mineral isolated in one area of space is simply wrong. It is time for it to be fixed so the moon minerals are mixed and spread throughout the galaxy so everyone has a fair shot in getting on on the liquid gold.


Can someone tell this guy in some language he can understand to ... never mind.

Another QQ post. IF you want some of those moons why don't you grow some balls and go fight for them?

Sevena Black
Posted - 2011.06.10 13:05:00 - [22]
 

This may have been said, but the "Alchemie" guys English was so bad I didn't read the entire post.

Tech is very valuable. So Techmoons are valuable. I can live with that. Would be nice if there was an alternative method of getting technetium. Generating it from "lesser" minerals. Using... alchemy :)

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.11 22:37:00 - [23]
 



 

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