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Scerolikk Teromni
Atrocious Order
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Posted - 2011.06.04 22:51:00 - [ 61]
Edited by: Scerolikk Teromni on 04/06/2011 22:53:52 Originally by: Samuel Caldara
Xbox live is nothing but a portal, an easy way for xbox users to conglomerate and interface with the necessary servers to play online.
Wrong. Originally by: Samuel Caldara
It would be fairly easy to interface the two.
Wrong. Originally by: Samuel Caldara
If anything Xbox live would make it easier to interface the two.
And wrong. XBOX Live is a closed environment operated by Microsoft. All things that happen within must stay within. There have been two exceptions that I know of. One of which was a long time ago, and one of which allowed cross-platform play between XBL and a Games For Windows Live game that was published by Microsoft Game Studios. It even goes so far as developers having to submit updates to their games for Microsoft's approval before they will be released to players, and very rarely is free DLC allowed. PSN has much more flexibility as the developers actually maintain control over their own game and infrastructure. Originally by: Samuel Caldara
Also- Notice more than just PS3 stuff going on
Xbox June 6th at E3
The XBOX press conference is happening at 9:30AM. The countdown at dust514.com coincides with Sony's conference at 5PM. |
OverlordY |
Posted - 2011.06.04 22:53:00 - [ 62]
Well again, why did they show us Dust running on a Xbox360 at the last fanfest.. |
Hesperius |
Posted - 2011.06.04 22:59:00 - [ 63]
Edited by: Hesperius on 04/06/2011 23:00:44 Originally by: OverlordY
Well again, why did they show us Dust running on a Xbox360 at the last fanfest..
The Unreal Engine runs on just about everything these days. What it can run on, and what it is legally bound to run on may be different. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:01:00 - [ 64]
Originally by: Hesperius
Originally by: OverlordY
Well again, why did they show us Dust running on a Xbox360 at the last fanfest..
The Unreal Engine runs on just about everything these days.
What it can run on, and what it is legally bound to run on may be different.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:01:00 - [ 65]
Originally by: MotherMoon
you mean the screenshots that a good number of people saw on the official dust514 site?
I mean the speculative question "will it be a PS3 exclusive?" based on the timing of the count-down and a couple of screenshots. Quote:
That's not speculation. Now granted that doesn't mean it will be PS3 only
…in other words, the article speculates wildly by asking the question whether it will be an exclusive title. |
Ayieka
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:01:00 - [ 66]
if dust was on pc, there would be no trouble in keeping a steady fanbase, since there aren't a lot of good mmofps's still around. |
I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:02:00 - [ 67]
Fortunately, I'm one of those who doesn't care.  |
Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:09:00 - [ 68]
Originally by: I Love Boobies
Fortunately, I'm one of those who doesn't care.
I sort of envy your apathy right now :( |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:13:00 - [ 69]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: MotherMoon
you mean the screenshots that a good number of people saw on the official dust514 site?
I mean the speculative question "will it be a PS3 exclusive?" based on the timing of the count-down and a couple of screenshots.
Quote:
That's not speculation. Now granted that doesn't mean it will be PS3 only
…in other words, the article speculates wildly by asking the question whether it will be an exclusive title.
Why would PS3 promote a multi-platform title in their Sony E3 presentation. They'd just leave it up to the developers. Originally by: MotherMoon
There is a chance it's just an interphotoshop prank, and they added the PS3 tag.
I'm looking at YOU T'Amber!
The screenshots came from this [now defunct] link http://dust.ccpgamescdn.com/Dust514/media/screenshots/images/DUST515_Screenshot_01.jpg The url was registered by CCP on 31st of May |
Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:15:00 - [ 70]
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Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:18:00 - [ 71]
They probably just changed their minds...
Sucks :( |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:20:00 - [ 72]
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Why would PS3 promote a multi-platform title in their Sony E3 presentation.
Depends how late in the race they can make changes to their schedule… If it's late enough, one reason would be to promote a PSN-heavy game to show that developers still had confidence in Sony's online services. |
Malen Nenokal
The Nightshift |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:21:00 - [ 73]
This makes a lot of sense considering Microsoft's policy on requiring developers to charge a minimum for DLC. Sony is much more lax on that subject. I'm pretty excited about it regardless. Once Dust comes out and I get my PS3 for it, I'll also have Steam on it, which both of those things really tip the scale as to which console I would prefer out of PS3 and 360. |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:24:00 - [ 74]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Holy One
Its an FPS on a console. It has no chance whatsoever of turning a profit.
…and you base that conclusion on…?
As you know .. its an over saturated market. The game itself is derivative. Its produced in asia for peanuts. Its taken them what, 3 years? CCP glacial is glacial. Too slow, too much competition. Too few people will care about the eve tie-in etc. If Dust is just expensive advertising for eve, they'd have been better spending the money on eve. If its genuinely an attempt to compete with all the other objective/team based shooters out there, I highly doubt it has a prayer. Not releasing it for pc is ******ed considering ccp's entire demographic are pc gamers. Nobody else who isn't in to ccp/eve will give a ****. Just another Unreal-fps. I could go on, but I don't need to really .. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:27:00 - [ 75]
knowing CCP and how they allready mix things up this si what I see happening.
Dust is advertised as the 1st Life long console fps. They not only show video and screenshots of the game running on the PS3, but also of side by side of the a future PS4 version. With the promise that even 10 years into the future the game will be on PS5 with no extra charge to the consumer.
This promise of a game you buy once and forever gets updated graphically and feature wise, drags in players by the millions. not to mention the best news we have so far is dust will be F2P. As a pick up and play title that every 6months or a year gets updated and players know will last 3 console generations the game is a hit!
10 years down the line it merges into eve and becomes part of the taste eve program. Where in players on PC PS5 or whatever can try out parts of eve for fre before buying. Such as 50 hours of space flight time, and unlimited station walking and Dust 514 playing.
Eve has a double market, subscribers and non subscribers. Many players use thier profits from dust and market juggling to play eve for free with PLEX. |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:28:00 - [ 76]
Originally by: Holy One
As you know .. its an over saturated market. The game itself is derivative. Its produced in asia for peanuts.
Derivative? Really? I can only think of one game that is anything like what Dust has been presented as… and that's Planetside. Therefore, it is something other than what that over-saturated market already offers. Quote:
Not releasing it for pc is ******ed considering ccp's entire demographic are pc gamers.
Yes, that's why they're not releasing it for PC. That only really leaves the development speed… Quote:
I could go on, but I don't need to really
You probably should… |
Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:29:00 - [ 77]
Originally by: MotherMoon
What speculation? did you even click the link?
Yes, I did. Feel free to fill me in on sourced information I've missed, because from what I read it was only information extrapolated from a few screenshots and a countdown clock - I don't know what silly country you're from, but over here it's called speculation. Or was you pointing out that Dust will be coming out for PS3? Sorry to say, but that's hardly an update, as I don't believe anyone has doubted that. It wasn't what the article was about either. Originally by: Holy One
Its an FPS on a console. It has no chance whatsoever of turning a profit.
I am assuming you're being sarcastic here..? I think that because last time I played Black Ops on the PS3 there were >400K online; not even the more popular FPS' on PC top 100K a day. Not to even mention XBOX's numbers. Sadly enough. |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:34:00 - [ 78]
Originally by: Chandler Urandom
Originally by: MotherMoon
What speculation? did you even click the link?
Yes, I did. Feel free to fill me in on sourced information I've missed, because from what I read it was only information extrapolated from a few screenshots and a countdown clock - I don't know what silly country you're from, but over here it's called speculation.
Or was you pointing out that Dust will be coming out for PS3? Sorry to say, but that's hardly an update, as I don't believe anyone has doubted that. It wasn't what the article was about either.
Originally by: Holy One
Its an FPS on a console. It has no chance whatsoever of turning a profit.
I am assuming you're being sarcastic here..? I think that because last time I played Black Ops on the PS3 there were >400K online; not even the more popular FPS' on PC top 100K a day. Not to even mention XBOX's numbers. Sadly enough.
How much do you think the shanghai office costs? staff, salaries, building rents and the development cycle over what 2-4 years? 20m? less? So they need to sell 500, 000 copies of a game nobody will have heard of, tied in to a niche mmo which doesnt even have that many subs. Using last-gen engine? We'll see I guess. I think even if it breaks even, its still a titanic waste of millions of dollars investment that could have gone in to eve. So we don't have to buy incarna content n ****. You get me? I'm not against dust. I don't give a **** either fwiw. I wish ccp luck in a difficult market with a product that has no real established brand identity or demographic. Wonder what they've budgeted for advertising and media bribes etc. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:35:00 - [ 79]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Holy One
As you know .. its an over saturated market. The game itself is derivative. Its produced in asia for peanuts.
Derivative? Really? I can only think of one game that is anything like what Dust has been presented as… and that's Planetside. Therefore, it is something other than what that over-saturated market already offers.
It's a Halo/Modern Warfare half-breed with an MMOesque war consequence, consequences which don't really make much different to Dust players, just the EVE players. I don't think they will care. |
Sarmatiko |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:37:00 - [ 80]
Originally by: Dez Affinity
The screenshots came from this [now defunct] link
http://dust.ccpgamescdn.com/Dust514/media/screenshots/images/DUST515_Screenshot_01.jpg
The url was registered by CCP on 31st of May
Domain was not registered by CCP and all contacts not related to CCP. Simple whois lookup: Quote:
Registrant:
Domain Discreet
ATTN: ccpgamescdn.com
Rua Dr. Brito Camara, n 20, 1
Funchal, Madeira 9000-039
PT
Phone: 1-902-7495331
Email: [email protected]
Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: www.register.com
Domain Name: ccpgamescdn.com
Created on..............: 2011-05-31
Expires on..............: 2014-05-31
Administrative Contact:
Domain Discreet
ATTN: ccpgamescdn.com
Rua Dr. Brito Camara, n 20, 1
Funchal, Madeira 9000-039
PT
Phone: 1-902-7495331
Email: [email protected]
All CCP owned domains are filled with CCP official contacts: Quote:
Administrative Contact:
CCP HF
Grandagardur 8
Reykjavik, 101
IS
Also "DUST51 5_Screenshot_01.jpg" in your link is now start looking like fake. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:40:00 - [ 81]
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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:40:00 - [ 82]
Originally by: Sarmatiko
Domain was not registered by CCP and all contacts not related to CCP.
Simple whois lookup:
Also "DUST515_Screenshot_01.jpg" in your link is now start looking like fake.
Do you not think I did a who.is? http://who.is/dns/ccpgamescdn.com/ The screenshot was pulled straight from a link in an .xml on the dust514.com website. This xml http://www.dust514.com/xml/objectsource.xml Which is deactivated now for obvious reasons. |
Mica Swanhaven |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:43:00 - [ 83]
Originally by: Holy One
As you know .. its an over saturated market. The game itself is derivative. Its produced in asia for peanuts.
I know someone that works there. China is not a 3rd world country you racist. They get paid just as much as you would anywhere else. Their world trade options aren't as good as working in the UK, but lets be honest china has a better economy than iceland. If anything considering the income to iceland is US and EU income, the people working iceland are the ones working for peanuts. |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:45:00 - [ 84]
Originally by: Dez Affinity
It's a Halo/Modern Warfare half-breed with an MMOesque war consequence, consequences which don't really make much different to Dust players, just the EVE players. I don't think they will care.
Really? Still sounds more like Planetside, with Planetside-like consequences (which mattered to PS players)… so why wouldn't those consequences matter to the Dust players? |
Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:46:00 - [ 85]
Originally by: Holy One
How much do you think the shanghai office costs? staff, salaries, building rents and the development cycle over what 2-4 years? 20m? less?
[...]
This wasn't the premise or reasoning behind your previous post. The premise you set was that it was a console FPS, and therefore wouldn't turn a profit. I am assuming CCP plans to make a profit from this game. What actually will happen becomes more speculations. If CCP does a good job at marketing and delivers for both PS3 and Xbox, assuming it in fact is a good game, FPS games sells like no tomorrow atm. |
Bantros
Noir. |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:47:00 - [ 86]
CCP & Sony, what a team.
If Dust isn't available on PC it doesn't matter if it's on both the 360/PS3 or just PS3, it's dead. Unless of course it's absolutely amazing but somehow I doubt that |
Sarmatiko |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:53:00 - [ 87]
Edited by: Sarmatiko on 04/06/2011 23:58:25 Originally by: Dez Affinity
http://www.dust514.com/xml/objectsource.xml
I have seen it before and it looks more like xml for live stream swf player but not the place where you put screenshots with typos hosted on creepy domain not related to CCP Games. Anyway time will show. |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:53:00 - [ 88]
Originally by: Mica Swanhaven
Originally by: Holy One
As you know .. its an over saturated market. The game itself is derivative. Its produced in asia for peanuts.
I know someone that works there. China is not a 3rd world country you racist. They get paid just as much as you would anywhere else. Their world trade options aren't as good as working in the UK, but lets be honest china has a better economy than iceland. If anything considering the income to iceland is US and EU income, the people working iceland are the ones working for peanuts.
Ok I have to say this a lot .. I don't know why .. but.. 1. The Chinese are not a race. 2. Nobody does business in China because there's a better calibre of employee Agreed about Iceland. But people work for peanuts in a lot of fields in a lot of places globally. My point was more to illustrate my belief that it won't be ground breaking. It will be cheap and cheerful. Google seems to suggest Halo's adversiting budget alone was $30m US. Do you really think Dust has a hope in hell of establishing any kind of brand awareness or enduring fan base in that kind of market? Ok so, if we presume that to be true, what's the point of Dust? Why even bother? Because its 'awesome' or something? |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:54:00 - [ 89]
Originally by: Chandler Urandom
This wasn't the premise or reasoning behind your previous post. The premise you set was that it was a console FPS, and therefore wouldn't turn a profit.
I am assuming CCP plans to make a profit from this game. What actually will happen becomes more speculations. If CCP does a good job at marketing and delivers for both PS3 and Xbox, assuming it in fact is a good game, FPS games sells like no tomorrow atm.
As a point of reference, I generally like to point to the oddball, new-IP, multiplayer-RPG:eque, not-even-remotely-like-BF/CoD game Borderlands. It did all the things people tend to claim will ruin, and sold some 3 million copies because it did all those things… |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:58:00 - [ 90]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Dez Affinity
It's a Halo/Modern Warfare half-breed with an MMOesque war consequence, consequences which don't really make much different to Dust players, just the EVE players. I don't think they will care.
Really? Still sounds more like Planetside, with Planetside-like consequences (which mattered to PS players)… so why wouldn't those consequences matter to the Dust players?
But in PlanetSide stuff didn't really matter, I mean nothing couldn't be undone within a day or so, the consequences didn't have much repercussions to the player base. Besides your example is flawed in the sense that PlanetSide was self contained, Dust514 isn't, or at least it might not be. Unless CCP make some great draw for Dust514 to want to take space rather than just ISK from EVE so you can buy a new helmet. Originally by: Sarmatiko
Originally by: Dez Affinity
http://www.dust514.com/xml/objectsource.xml
I have seen it before and it looks more like xml for live stream swf player but not the place where you put screenshots with typos hosted on creepy domain not related to CCP Games.
Anyway time will show.
I already showed that the website I posted was linked to CCP Games. And the guy above talking about the CDN and CCP coaction. Besides you're taking my word that the screenshot was from that link anyway, because I saw the XML before it was neutered. |
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