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Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:17:00 - [31]
 

good question, altough there are more pressing matters right now

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:34:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Max Kolonko
good question, altough there are more pressing matters right now

must be on ccp hands now. and given the timing and situation, i think we'll have them after the minutes of the exceptionnal summit

Unforgiven Storm
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:55:00 - [33]
 

someone form CSM said Monday.

So were are the CSM May meetings?

more than 1 month as gone by!!!!

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:06:00 - [34]
 

CCP's hands. We've been done for a while now :)

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.01 06:26:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
CCP's hands. We've been done for a while now :)


Care to put down a date when you all finally finished and handed it to CCP? It would also be nice to know who did what, when they started those minutes and when they finished them.

Seems like you all ignored them for a couple weeks after the summit before starting on them. Procrastination is bad didn't you know? Just think, if you guys had did them right after the summit like you should have, the players would be more informed about the current situation perhaps.

Am I wrong?

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.02 06:13:00 - [36]
 

I don't get the NDA business.

I mean, if they tell the CSM anything, then that should be passed along to the players. That's kind of the whole point of the CSM, I thought: player communication.

The Chewbacca Defense comes to mind as that does not make sense!

Gibsie
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:16:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
I don't get the NDA business.

I mean, if they tell the CSM anything, then that should be passed along to the players. That's kind of the whole point of the CSM, I thought: player communication.

The Chewbacca Defense comes to mind as that does not make sense!



On the other hand ... How can they discuss about something ... With this kind of infos ...
NDA not signed ...

Ewan Asif Hareka
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:39:00 - [38]
 

I say, has anyone seen the minutes of the CSM6 summit held a couple of months ago? I don't seem to be able to find them.

Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
Free Worlds Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:24:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
CCP's hands. We've been done for a while now :)
Vile, if it's done, then you folks need to hold CCP by the nose and kick 'em in the ass to get it out the door. Make 'em understand they are doing no one - least of all themselves - any favors by sitting on it and figuring ways to weasel-word stuff.

Enough is enough. Release the damn minutes; release the damn results of the last couple days. No more prevarication or delays.

Bane Darkblade
Posted - 2011.07.05 17:20:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Heavenly Voice
Cant wait for the videos then.


I hope you can since they will never ever be released! (NDA). If the content of the summit could be released I wouldn't have had to do up all those words writing minutes :)That's why the minutes have to be scrubbed by CCP to make sure nothing nda gets through.




Honestly, the whole idea that we elect CSMs that are then subject to a complete media blackout due to a non-disclosure agreement is ridiculous.

Release the videos. Release the minutes. In the video where something is discussed that can't be revealed to the general public, black it out with no sound or tell us how many minutes of the video are missing. Let us see our CSMs in action. Let the players see and hear they are fighting for their electors or be revealed if they are not. Not letting us see actual discussion has lead most players to believe our CSMs are straw men.

CCP could have two people dedicate a day each to watching the videos and editing them like this as well as check for NDA issues. For the cost of a couple monacles this could be done. CCP has delayed this way too long.

We don't want sound bites. We don't want colorful, media-friendly quotes. We don't want minutes so edited and sterilized they bear no resemblance to the meeting they are from.

WE. WANT. TO. KNOW. WTF. IS. GOING. ON.

NOW.

2 Subscriptions cancelled until the last 2 meetings are posted in full.

Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.08 01:27:00 - [41]
 

any news??????????????????????

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:16:00 - [42]
 

So has CCP been bugged to get these minutes out? I'd really love to read them.

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2011.07.09 09:59:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Darth Vapour on 09/07/2011 09:59:11
I'd love to see these nearly two months old minutes to count the number of dev blogs on non-spacebarbie things promised to be published 'soon'.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.07.11 07:30:00 - [44]
 

2 months and several controversies removed, one would wonder if the minutes will even be relevent at this point.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.11 14:20:00 - [45]
 

Minutes should be out this week, buy :popcorn: now before the inevitable price rise.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.07.12 12:24:00 - [46]
 

I personally get more and more the feeling the CSM doesn't do what it is meant to do.

They are representatives of and by the playerbase. But I don't really see that happening anymore.

Arnar made a slipup in the video where he clearly said that CCP has no intentions of bringing in anything else than vanity goods into EVE today.

But what about tomorrow or next week?
I still haven't seen a ferm no to gold ammo or other stuff.

Also I don't see clearly stipulated what is considered gamebreaking. Playerbase vieuw will differ on that with CCP's vieuw.

Our CSM got steamrolled by CCP and the big bad Goon lawyer is exactly the same type of guy as those who don't / can't communicate with the playerbase.

It's all easy said they had heated discussions, but were they discussions about players concerns or about what to order at the Nordica?

This whole vague crap which to contribute to the NDA is nothing more than that. Crap.

Now they have to brush and polish the minutes till it completely fits into the same line of all the other nonsaying bullcrap they used over the course of time.

Not one of those people dares to speak open and clearly and it only shows one thing.
We are being misrepresented. and we are being held on the short end of a long stick.

I am disappointed by the CSM which has subcome to just another marketing tool for CCP and I am disappointed by CCP by more and more turning the EA route.

CSM delegates which said they would show how to rattle a cage only rattle the player cages for CCP now.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:30:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Killer Gandry
I personally get more and more the feeling the CSM doesn't do what it is meant to do.

They are representatives of and by the playerbase. But I don't really see that happening anymore.

Arnar made a slipup in the video where he clearly said that CCP has no intentions of bringing in anything else than vanity goods into EVE today.

But what about tomorrow or next week?
I still haven't seen a ferm no to gold ammo or other stuff.

Also I don't see clearly stipulated what is considered gamebreaking. Playerbase vieuw will differ on that with CCP's vieuw.

Our CSM got steamrolled by CCP and the big bad Goon lawyer is exactly the same type of guy as those who don't / can't communicate with the playerbase.

It's all easy said they had heated discussions, but were they discussions about players concerns or about what to order at the Nordica?

This whole vague crap which to contribute to the NDA is nothing more than that. Crap.

Now they have to brush and polish the minutes till it completely fits into the same line of all the other nonsaying bullcrap they used over the course of time.

Not one of those people dares to speak open and clearly and it only shows one thing.
We are being misrepresented. and we are being held on the short end of a long stick.

I am disappointed by the CSM which has subcome to just another marketing tool for CCP and I am disappointed by CCP by more and more turning the EA route.

CSM delegates which said they would show how to rattle a cage only rattle the player cages for CCP now.



The fact that the notes are not available yet is not the fault of the CSM. They are waiting on CCP to react.
I think we should praise the CSM for the work they did already. Don't blame them for stuff that is not their falut.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:36:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 12/07/2011 13:37:14
Originally by: Killer Gandry
But what about tomorrow or next week? I still haven't seen a ferm no to gold ammo or other stuff.

Who knows what happens 3-4 years hence? It could be that CCP makes a deal with some online company where we can transfer ISK back into the real world in the form of store credit or something. Market is still very young when it comes to the whole virtual currency thing.
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Also I don't see clearly stipulated what is considered gamebreaking. Playerbase vieuw will differ on that with CCP's vieuw.

Common sense, apply it. Something that is on par or beyond something attainable only through oodles of :effort: would be gamebreaking for instance.
Originally by: Killer Gandry
We are being misrepresented. and we are being held on the short end of a long stick.

As the NC-Goon voting bloc was ever so happy to point out: "Democracy in action". You get what you deserve, no point in moaning about it after the fact .. at least we got a few decent people in there and they seem to be rubbing off on the bloc (or maybe its because they lost ingame influence and can devote more time to CSM matters Very Happy)

You have both a wrong idea of what the CSM is and what the Week-of-the-Emo was all about. Figure those out and you'll see that at least half you paranoia is unfounded.

PS: May minutes appear to have been posted, Available in left side.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:51:00 - [49]
 

And if you shift **** through enough siffs at the end you get clear water.


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