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ace jetpack
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:36:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: ace jetpack on 01/06/2011 16:11:25
With the fall of so-called Nothern Coalition to PL,DRF and friends closes one of the most interesting chapters in EVE. What absolutley disgust me the most is how it was done. There was no brilliant tactic, no defection of leadership, none of that kinda of cool stuff. Simply put, they used an I win button and CCP let it happen. They let RMT fund a massive super capital production that EVE has never seen or will proably never be seen again. They let and obvisouly over powered capital ship be used to bring down a Coalition. Yesterday PL fieled by themselves over 150 Super carriers and 70 Titans. There was no need for so called support.

It was a projection of power that they dared the opposing force to counter with....what? that rights no tactic could every counter that only more supers. I dislike the NC just as much as I dislike Xdeath. Did I want the NC to fall? YES. DId they deserve to be beaten with an I win button ? NO. And it instead of balancing the ship before it spiraled out of control..CCP sat there and did nothing.

They knew the Mothership was overpowered when they put the changes through on SISI. Yet the wanted to see how it played out. They wanted to see how the player base would use such a power. Just like any Puppetmaster would want it puppets to dance for it. I guess they never figured all that RMTing done in the drone Regions would be used for such a thing or maybe they did and didnt care. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:38:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: ace jetpack
It will be intyeresting to see how all this plays out.


no it wont

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:38:00 - [3]
 

I tried to decipher it, but failed.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:40:00 - [4]
 

Let's hope one day EVE is truly out of beta and we can truly play it as a fair game but before that, it is just one big ****box.

Mr Stark
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:43:00 - [5]
 

That is really the issue, Supers (while massively overpowered) are not the problem, botting and the whole nullsec macro business is the problem.
We know the DRF can produce enough minerals to build 2 supercarriers a day just with its botting armies. No one can fight that. DRF gets bigger, with even more space to bot and no one can defeat them, only ccp can do something.

It isnt about which side you are on, whether you loved or hated the NC, its about whether you love Eve and want it to continue as a game that normal players can play and have any hope of accomplishing anything.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:47:00 - [6]
 

The same applied when certain entities could field big fleets of carriers/dreads, and before that, battleships. And hell if you go really far back, early EVE players can tell you how "overpowered" an entity that could field Cruisers, would be.

Ships in EVE just got bigger, more expensive (and that could be argued, since early cruisers, bs, and capitals, was not cheap by any means, and alot more annoying to build logistic wise), and skill heavy. That is all.

Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:08:00 - [7]
 

Your word blob is too big, I think your cheating.
Please remove half the words and repost with actual paragraphs.

The Old Chap
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:14:00 - [8]
 

So what do children do when there's a big boy comes along who wants all the sandbox to himself?

Option 1: The bully-boy gets his way, and everyone else quits, or has to play on his terms.

Option 2: The play-school supervisors intervene to ensure there's enough sandbox to go around for everyone to play.

CCP has a choice right now... leaving things alone, and seeing the inevitable end-game reached, or else they intervene in the sandbox in the interests of the many who have invested a lot of time, effort (and subscriptions) over the years. Both are painful, but only one is terminal.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:15:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: ace jetpack
The fall of the so-called Nothern Coalition to PL,DRF and friends closes one of the most interesting chapters in EVE. What absolutley disgusted me the most is how it was done. There was no brilliant tactic, no defection of leadership none of those kinda of cool tactics. Simply put, they used an I win button and CCP let it happen.

CCP let RMT fund super capital production in numbers that EVE has ever seen or will proably never be seen again. They let and obvisouly over powered capital ship be used to bring down a Coalition. Yesterday PL fieled by themselves over 150 Super carriers and 70 Titans. There was no need for so called support. It was a projection of power that they dared the opposing force to counter with.... with what?

That rights no tactic could every counter that only more supers. I dislike the NC just as much as I dislike Xdeath. Did I want the NC to fall? YES. DId they deserve to be beaten with a I win button ? NO. And it instead of balancing the ship before it spiraled out of control, CCP sat there and did nothing. They knew the Mothership was overpowered when they put the changes through on SISI, yet the wanted to see how it played out.

They wanted to see how the player base would use such a power. Just like any Puppetmaster would want it puppets to dance for it. i guess they never figured all that RMTing done in the drone Regions would be used for such a thing or maybe they did and didnt care. It will be intyeresting to see how all this plays out.

Caldari Acolyte
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:27:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: The Old Chap
So what do children do when there's a big boy comes along who wants all the sandbox to himself?

Option 1: The bully-boy gets his way, and everyone else quits, or has to play on his terms.

Option 2: The play-school supervisors intervene to ensure there's enough sandbox to go around for everyone to play.

CCP has a choice right now... leaving things alone, and seeing the inevitable end-game reached, or else they intervene in the sandbox in the interests of the many who have invested a lot of time, effort (and subscriptions) over the years. Both are painful, but only one is terminal.


I agree but CCP has had ample time to deal with this whereas other gaming companies whom have had this problem responded quickly and a clear result was seen. So far, CCP has done absolutely zip, Something really stinks in Iceland and its very obvious now.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:32:00 - [11]
 

Meanwhile, having the biggest napfest is OK.

If you can't defend your space you don't deserve to hold it. The NC didn't even try.

You really ought to have posted this with your main in CAOD.

Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:35:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Scarlet des Loupes on 01/06/2011 14:36:10

Must say these stories make me even less interested in nullsec affairs.

If there's one thing it doesn't sound like at all it's "fun".

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:36:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: ace jetpack
They let RMT fund a super capital production that EVE has ever seen or will proably never be seen again.

teach me please how to build super capital fleet with RMT? pleeease! Where can i buy new shiny 1000 titans from my 1bil of dollars?

Kiandoshia
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:36:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Meanwhile, having the biggest napfest is OK.

If you can't defend your space you don't deserve to hold it. The NC didn't even try.

You really ought to have posted this with your main in CAOD.


The forming of NAPs is human nature imo.

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:06:00 - [15]
 

You sure the 200+ super caps were all PL? Neutral

Caldari Acolyte
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:46:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Meanwhile, having the biggest napfest is OK.

If you can't defend your space you don't deserve to hold it. The NC didn't even try.

You really ought to have posted this with your main in CAOD.


I didn't know Napfest was against EULA? news to me! Gotta love how these Botter justify there Bull****. Laughing

Ordais
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:54:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Ordais on 01/06/2011 15:55:39
0.0 ppl are crying to CCP since 2006 (ecp incident) that EVE will end in cap-online.

now its 2011 and an alliance fields 150sc+70titans....lol yea right, great "monitoring" ccp.

no really, this MUST be intentional, there is no other explanation. they even made logistics easier with jumpfrighters and jumpbridges so that every armchair-pvper could get his SC in 0.0 importing mats from jita.

CCP wanted this situation, why, i do not know.

Little Fistter
Caldari
Ordo Rosa Crux Templaris
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Mr Stark
That is really the issue, Supers (while massively overpowered) are not the problem, botting and the whole nullsec macro business is the problem.

We know the DRF can produce enough minerals to build 2 supercarriers a day just with its botting armies. No one can fight that. DRF gets bigger, with even more space to bot and no one can defeat them, only ccp can do something.

...its about whether you love Eve and want it to continue as a game that normal players can play and have any hope of accomplishing anything.


This says it all, clearly.

I do not care that they are Euros or Russians, to me it is about CCP keeping money laundering out of the game. DRF is using exploits month after month and no one is preventing them. I know CCP needs money but at what cost to their credibility? Or CAN an alliance buy their way in???


Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:07:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 01/06/2011 16:07:15
Originally by: Ordais
0.0 ppl are crying to CCP since 2006 (ecp incident) that EVE will end in cap-online.

now its 2011 and an alliance fields 150 sc + 70 titans....lol yea right, great "monitoring" ccp.

game over.

Time to empty the server and start anew with 0 SP.

Mal Mandrake
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.01 22:29:00 - [20]
 

I'm all about the need to hold your own territory, but the use of RMT to do it overwhelms any normal player. If an alliance can legitimately field that many titans and supercarriers on there own then that is fine. The issue is the RMT aspect that ruins the fun.

RMT is a problem in any MMO but I feel Eve has a particularly bad time because RMT effects much more that just market value of isk.

-Mal

Cacnea
Posted - 2011.06.01 23:16:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Caldari Acolyte
Originally by: Lady Spank
Meanwhile, having the biggest napfest is OK.

If you can't defend your space you don't deserve to hold it. The NC didn't even try.

You really ought to have posted this with your main in CAOD.


I didn't know Napfest was against EULA? news to me! Gotta love how these Botter justify there Bull****. Laughing

I don't think you quite understood what he was getting at there.

I remember a few months back I was telling a re-subbing friend to join a NC alliance because their large blue list was growing out of control and I guessed (wrongly) that it'd become a join us or die kind of thing. Sadly, it seems that the NC was... napping... on the job. Wow, that was bad.

And seriously, NC doesn't deserve to ***** about anything at this point, besides bad leadership.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.06.01 23:18:00 - [22]
 

LOL RMTRMTRMTRMTRMTRMTRMT

Seriously, do you people even know what it means? You all accuse the russians of being the big bad source of bots etc, so what exactly is it they do? Bot all the isk, then sell it to themselves for a tidy cash profit, then use that cash to buy a load of isk to build supers?

So are they buying or selling? Either way, you gotta ask where the trillions of isk that the NC should have from holding alllllllll those tech moons has gone... EmbarassedEmbarassed


ace jetpack
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.02 20:22:00 - [23]
 

First off realLife wars have no buisness used for reference in agame. There are no folks losing loved ones in eve.

Second I guess, I should say botting is what built the massive super carrier fleet and funded the DRF campaign

Remember, the drone regions have raw compounds that with a little hualing and processing go right to being minerals. Supercarriers are stil T1 type ships that does not require T2 components. So If you have a massive botting fleet raking in compounds, with little effort and time the become capitals.

Even though the NC has had those moons they dont translate to building materials so quickly. they still have to go through reactions and crap then to the market to sell said moon goo then buy the minerals and so on ..
Advantage...Droneland regions, enough minerals to produce 2 supers a day with a big enough botting army

Ultranoia
Posted - 2011.06.02 20:51:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Soi Mala
LOL RMTRMTRMTRMTRMTRMTRMT
Seriously, do you people even know what it means? You all accuse the russians of being the big bad source of bots etc, so what exactly is it they do? Bot all the isk, then sell it to themselves for a tidy cash profit, then use that cash to buy a load of isk to build supers?


yeah logic ->

1. bot and earn ISK
2. sell ISK for cash
3. Use cash to buy ISK
4. Buy supercaps with ISK
5. win gamez



Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.02 20:57:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ultranoia
Originally by: Soi Mala
LOL RMTRMTRMTRMTRMTRMTRMT
Seriously, do you people even know what it means? You all accuse the russians of being the big bad source of bots etc, so what exactly is it they do? Bot all the isk, then sell it to themselves for a tidy cash profit, then use that cash to buy a load of isk to build supers?


yeah logic ->

1. bot and earn ISK
2. sell ISK for cash
3. Use cash to buy ISK
4. Buy supercaps with ISK
5. win gamez





as opposed to...

1. bot and earn ISK
2. Build supercaps
3. sell supercaps to the rest of eve
4. sell ISK for cash
5. lose gamez because your leaders have a bunch of RL cash and no defence fleet

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.06.02 21:12:00 - [26]
 

Whining indeed.

I win button for NC *was* to cram masses of idiots into the system until it fell over on the last rf timer.
NC held tech moons for years. Trillions of isk is missing. No one is looking for it? This is why no one is eating your "rmt ate my hamster" story of woe.

As for upset about the tactics, what of band of brothers? What of goons sov bill and Mad rush From delve? These suddenly feel a bit closer to home now?

Anyway, CSM where are your priorities now?




Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.02 21:36:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: ace jetpack
Edited by: ace jetpack on 01/06/2011 16:11:25
With the fall of so-called Nothern Coalition to PL,DRF and friends closes one of the most interesting chapters in EVE. What absolutley disgust me the most is how it was done. There was no brilliant tactic, no defection of leadership, none of that kinda of cool stuff. Simply put, they used an I win button and CCP let it happen. They let RMT fund a massive super capital production that EVE has never seen or will proably never be seen again. They let and obvisouly over powered capital ship be used to bring down a Coalition. Yesterday PL fieled by themselves over 150 Super carriers and 70 Titans. There was no need for so called support.

It was a projection of power that they dared the opposing force to counter with....what? that rights no tactic could every counter that only more supers. I dislike the NC just as much as I dislike Xdeath. Did I want the NC to fall? YES. DId they deserve to be beaten with an I win button ? NO. And it instead of balancing the ship before it spiraled out of control..CCP sat there and did nothing.

They knew the Mothership was overpowered when they put the changes through on SISI. Yet the wanted to see how it played out. They wanted to see how the player base would use such a power. Just like any Puppetmaster would want it puppets to dance for it. I guess they never figured all that RMTing done in the drone Regions would be used for such a thing or maybe they did and didnt care. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.


Are you that naive to think NC was not doing the same thing? Some would venture to say some leadership in NC were paying RL bills with it rather than buying supercaps. It just amazes me how some pilots are so blind to say the Russians are the only ones doing this stuff. It is in EVERY alliance out there.
Does CCP need to do some balancing on supers? Sure. I just hope they do not nerf the distance or jump cost of fuel. If they do, you can say goodbye to anyone coming to the north again with enough force to break the new tech moon overlords.
BTW, they used a great tactic. It is called divide and conquer. They attacked from a few different flanks which could have worked in the Max campaign too if Molley didn't jump the gun and go premature. NC has always relied on numbers (pilots and regions) over skill. Attacking from different flanks with superior firepower trumped their blob IMO. They broke NCs will to fight before they even started hitting the same regions.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.02 22:29:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: The Old Chap
So what do children do when there's a big boy comes along who wants all the sandbox to himself?

Option 1: The bully-boy gets his way, and everyone else quits, or has to play on his terms.

Option 2: The play-school supervisors intervene to ensure there's enough sandbox to go around for everyone to play.

CCP has a choice right now... leaving things alone, and seeing the inevitable end-game reached, or else they intervene in the sandbox in the interests of the many who have invested a lot of time, effort (and subscriptions) over the years. Both are painful, but only one is terminal.


Well said, Old Chap! Alot of us newer players are dismayed at CCP's lack of action on Super Carriers, the community has been calling for balance since they were introduced & nothing! not even a little nerf. Make me wonder - "& it makes me wonder."
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