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SVTNeato
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.01 13:56:00 - [121]
 

I really don't think CCP will ever let PLEX hit the 1b mark or anywhere near it to be honest. They have a vested interest in keeping the price low, Why sell someone 1 billion isk for 15 bucks when you can fix it to where they only get 370-400 million. This causes people that want to "buy isk" to have to spend more on it, To me it doesn't make any sort of financial sense to allow prices to skyrocket and lose money over it because of people deciding they don't need to buy as many plex to do what they are doing.

Negustor Cinstit
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:19:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Negustor Cinstit
On top of that, funny that some poeple say that the ones struggling with their finances should stop playing/paying 15$. Maybe those few hours of gameplay is what makes them relax enough to overlook the hardships. It is a "GAME" after all you know, why are you so bitter?

And to end this long rant, I will never understand how some people turn up that bitter and mean towards totally unknown people. Annonimity brings out the worst of some people.

Well why pay $120 a year while there's many free to play games around that may only require you to buy the game for perhaps $10? For some people, especially in non-western countries it's quite a lot of money.

Because the f2p ones are of lower quality. They're actually free2play, pay2win type of games in which you could never compete against others without investing a lot of money. And believe or not, some people really like EVE Smile. On top, 15euro for some is a stretch and it's most likely the max they will pay. It's not a coincidence that this is the sum most MMOs charge for monthly subscriptions.


heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:51:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Negustor Cinstit
Because the f2p ones are of lower quality. They're actually free2play, pay2win type of games in which you could never compete against others without investing a lot of money. And believe or not, some people really like EVE Smile. On top, 15euro for some is a stretch and it's most likely the max they will pay. It's not a coincidence that this is the sum most MMOs charge for monthly subscriptions.




Very true, i too always call them "Pay to Win"

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:52:00 - [124]
 

Quote:
Too "workless"? Go out and find a work you lazy piece of human garbage.


You have also officially failed at life, and nothing you ever say on these forums will ever be taken seriously by anyone who is emotionally post-adolescent. I suggest you go out and get some more life experience.

Mr Dilkington
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:55:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
Too "workless"? Go out and find a work you lazy piece of human garbage.


You have also officially failed at life, and nothing you ever say on these forums will ever be taken seriously by anyone who is emotionally post-adolescent. I suggest you go out and get some more life experience.


Im sure his opinion will change a few years after leaving school when he has been shat on a few times.

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:58:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Lidia Prince on 01/06/2011 14:58:16
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
Too "workless"? Go out and find a work you lazy piece of human garbage.


You have also officially failed at life, and nothing you ever say on these forums will ever be taken seriously by anyone who is emotionally post-adolescent. I suggest you go out and get some more life experience.

Oh no. People won't give a ship about things I say. The horror.

So far things I say are taken ABOVE seriousness, you just proved it again.
And... need a tissue? It's like a shamwow tissue, can hold a whole bucket of sweet tears.

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:18:00 - [127]
 


Wouldn't the upcomming measures against bot's bring the Plex prices down?

It would be good if these come just before Incarna.

Ludacrys
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:48:00 - [128]
 

CCP should just fix the PLEX price and be done with it

Elirel
Alpha.Tech
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:05:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Elirel on 01/06/2011 16:05:46
Originally by: Stella SGP

Let's assume you are paid a decent amount doing a decent job all you need is 1 hour more a week to pay for 2 accounts, 4 hours a month as compared to how many hours you require to grind the ISK?




Dude, get of your white horse. You do realise that the level of income in US or western EU is way way way above average income in many other countries? FYI 15$ can be a salary for the whole day or even week of work in some countries not belonging to "the golden billion".

And not because people in other coutries are stupid, uneducated or not working enough, its just the way world economy is built (i.e. US printing money and sucking resources of the whole World).

MinBruSis
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:45:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: MinBruSis on 01/06/2011 16:47:51
Originally by: Elirel
Edited by: Elirel on 01/06/2011 16:05:46
(i.e. US printing money and sucking resources of the whole World).



Oh, it's our fault Plex prices are too high now.... Fail argument is Fail.

I blame the British Empire, if they would have only won that pesky war we would have nice low Plex prices.

EVE's resident Economist put it best by explaining that information was released, people assumed and speculated sending prices higher, but the system(capitalism) is self correcting the prices. They will stabilize, demand vs supply will always self correct if left alone. If a government(ccp) starts reacting to the price while in flux they will only mess it up worse. I know some won’t listen but or believe it but the best course of action is to leave it alone right now, and let it self correct.

Oh well, just my two cents.

Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.01 17:46:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Stella SGP on 01/06/2011 18:02:02
Originally by: Elirel
Dude, get of your white horse. You do realise that the level of income in US or western EU is way way way above average income in many other countries? FYI 15$ can be a salary for the whole day or even week of work in some countries not belonging to "the golden billion".

And not because people in other coutries are stupid, uneducated or not working enough, its just the way world economy is built (i.e. US printing money and sucking resources of the whole World).



That statement was made with the assumption that he is in a reasonably developed nation since he mention not being able to afford childcare and such.

You should stop comparing at extreme opposites. If you wana keep your argument valid then I could say that hey eve should be free since there are people in Kenya who are starving and there is no way they can even computers to play, hell we should get him a satellite dish as well while we are at it so he can have internet. In order to help him play eve, since playing this particular game is a entitlement to everyone, I propose we should increase subscription rates and channel the money to them for PCs and internet connections.

Like I said playing eve is a luxury. BTW I really like the Bugatti, but at over 1 mil pounds a pop its too expensive and since I think its an entitlement, I should be given 1 for free if I mow your lawn every weekend. Sounds silly doesn't it? IRL if you can't afford something, you look for cheaper alternatives thats all. For my case, the cheaper alternative is public transport, no hard feelings there. Hmm, maybe I should take a home equity loan and buy a Hum-vee and start *****ing and gas prices!

Also I'm not from US or EU, so I can safely say if you come from a really impoverished country where people make $15 a week, I can assure you that you are most probably reasonably well off to be able to afford a decent PC, internet fees and time to grind for ISK.

I'm not saying that they don't deserve it or anything, just people should live within their means. There are cheaper alternatives out there. Its not like eve is the only form of entertainment in this world. If you are playing something you know you can't afford, you are basically playing on borrowed time and be glad that you even had the opportunity to.

Edit - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose...

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.01 18:11:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Elirel

(i.e. US printing money and sucking resources of the whole World).



Haha i love it , so true , yet allready one troll found that "impossible"

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:12:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: MinBruSis

Oh, it's our fault Plex prices are too high now.... Fail argument is Fail.



He was talking about your nasty and repeated Quantitative Easing, which is bloodsucking money from emerging economies, expecially Brazil.

Steve Seninard
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:18:00 - [134]
 

Folks were told to get a job to afford 15 bucks, they thought it thru, and decided it was best to just bash the good 'ol US of A instead. That seems about right.

Daniela Darr
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:23:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Steve Seninard
the good 'ol US of A

The US of A aren't old.

Achurraa
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:34:00 - [136]
 

I guess some people are in the same boat, I created extra accounts for all those "extra" alts, you know, the extra miner, the extra buidler, etc.

But with Plex prices climbing as they are, making enough isk to pay for 5 accounts translates into more time "working" in EVE. I simply do not have that much free time, and went from casual player to super casual (lol), 4 of the 5 accounts have been cancelled.

Hopefully I can still get Plex to keep some of them going, but as it is I cbf with a second job and simply do not have the RL cash to throw into this game.

Then again, with the Incarna Expansion (and zero gameplay), I'm not gonna miss much. But like many said, CCP might fix this still ...


Steve Seninard
Posted - 2011.06.01 20:45:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Achurraa
I guess some people are in the same boat, I created extra accounts for all those "extra" alts, you know, the extra miner, the extra buidler, etc.

But with Plex prices climbing as they are, making enough isk to pay for 5 accounts translates into more time "working" in EVE. I simply do not have that much free time, and went from casual player to super casual (lol), 4 of the 5 accounts have been cancelled.

Hopefully I can still get Plex to keep some of them going, but as it is I cbf with a second job and simply do not have the RL cash to throw into this game.

Then again, with the Incarna Expansion (and zero gameplay), I'm not gonna miss much. But like many said, CCP might fix this still ...




They can't fix what isn't broken.

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.06.01 21:12:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Stella SGP
Like I said playing eve is a luxury. BTW I really like the Bugatti, but at over 1 mil pounds a pop its too expensive and since I think its an entitlement, I should be given 1 for free if I mow your lawn every weekend. Sounds silly doesn't it? IRL if you can't afford something, you look for cheaper alternatives thats all. For my case, the cheaper alternative is public transport, no hard feelings there. Hmm, maybe I should take a home equity loan and buy a Hum-vee and start *****ing and gas prices!

I'm not saying that they don't deserve it or anything, just people should live within their means. There are cheaper alternatives out there. Its not like eve is the only form of entertainment in this world. If you are playing something you know you can't afford, you are basically playing on borrowed time and be glad that you even had the opportunity to.

Well I agree, no-one is "entitled" to play interweb games and people should have their priorities. If you play at the expense of more important things, not being able to grind enough plexes together isn't your main problem imo.

Although I can't imagine you can't afford a single account even if PLEX would cost 750 million. I have a fulltime job but every month I make a lot more than that. Let alone if I didn't have a job and a lot more time!

Originally by: Achurraa
But with Plex prices climbing as they are, making enough isk to pay for 5 accounts translates into more time "working" in EVE. I simply do not have that much free time, and went from casual player to super casual (lol), 4 of the 5 accounts have been cancelled.

Well it doesn´t sound very strange that you use less accounts as you play a lot less, "super causal". I don´t really see what´s the problem, if at all?

Ophelia Allover
Posted - 2011.06.01 21:33:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Ophelia Allover on 01/06/2011 21:38:08
Several people want to play eve, but the only way they can do that is by plex because of their home situation. Now I know many people have said "If you cant afford a 15 a month game, then you shouldnt be 'wasting' your time in front of eve." Lets analyze that for a second.

A man has a wife, and 2 kids with a nice house, and a nice 50k a year job. Nothing major, but he isnt massively in the hole on several things. This man goes to work for 8-9 hours a day, comes home, spends some time with his kids, then plays eve for 1-2 hours a day running missions, doing wormholes, ratting, whatever he does to make money in game. Doing this, he is able to make enough for plex/gtc, and have enough left over to occasionally buy that shiny ship, or enough to lose some ships in pvp.

You are telling someone who works hard to provide for his family to basically find a new hobby because plex are getting to high on price. OK so he spends too much time playing eve. So if he quits... he will spend that same amount of time watching american idol as his brain slowly rots away because that show is made for ******s? No.

Then you can easily compare plex to the cost of gas. (Yes I actually went there.) You see, no matter how expensive it gets, people have to buy gas. You cant get around that. Now true there are busses and trains, and other forms of public transportation which is all fine and dandy... if you live in the city. However lets look at the people who got a house in the suburbs outside of the crime centers and away from the filth that naturally comes with living in a city.

Those people MUST bend over and take it up the butt from and buy the ever more expensive gas, because they have to get to work, and they have to provide for themselves and their family.

Its almost the same thing in eve. Some people have to pay for eve with plex because of their home situation, however varied that may be, and it is getting to the point where it is becoming rediculous. 400m + for plex? Come on. A year ago I sold a GTC on the forums for 450m because the price sunk. Now its almost double that price because people are taking advantage of the release of incarna. They are hoarding all of their plex because they see a HUGE increase in interest for plex. In all honesty, this is incredibly stupid. There is no reason for it as you have NO idea how much it would take to buy one vanity item. But then again, no risk, no reward so I understand.

Many people have already suggested it, and I think it would be pretty funny if it happened. And that is a hard cap on the number of plex an account is allowed to own. Make it a decent number, say 10, and give everyone a month warning that they will only be able to own 10 plex per account soon. And to further improve on the notion that it is ONLY a 10 plex cap, make people unable to store plexes in pos or in corp hangers.

People will unload all of their plex on the market, it would drive down the cost of plex, initially, and people would be able to easily pay for their accounts.

But I am not done. Lets say that when the hard cap hits, the people who have more than 10, get the excess time added to their accounts. Talk about true justice. They would be out billions, possibly trillions depending on who it is, and their accounts would be paid up till they are over 60. Oh the pure ironic justice. Seriously CCP if that ever happened. I would love you guys more than my wife, dog, and first born child that I havent had yet.

Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.06.01 21:45:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Scarlet des Loupes on 01/06/2011 21:45:19
Originally by: Ophelia Allover
But I am not done. Lets say that when the hard cap hits, the people who have more than 10, get the excess time added to their accounts. Talk about true justice. They would be out billions, possibly trillions depending on who it is, and their accounts would be paid up till they are over 60. Oh the pure ironic justice. Seriously CCP if that ever happened. I would love you guys more than my wife, dog, and first born child that I havent had yet.

Seriously, wife, dog, and first born child? Oh come on it's just a silly game ...

oniplE
MeMento.
Posted - 2011.06.01 22:01:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: oniplE on 01/06/2011 22:01:55
Originally by: Aelius

-As RL PLEX price does not change it means "rich" players receive even more ISK for their Euros/Dollars and thus needing to sell less PLEXes to achieve their ISK target, thus making the PLEX isk price to climb even more.

That's market mechanics in reverse.

You're forgetting about NEW PLEX sellers. A higher PLEX price means it becomes more attractive for rich players (apparently you're rich if you have 15 dollars, jeez) to sell PLEX. People who won't sell a PLEX for 400M, but will sell for 1b.

Also, PLEX sellers having an ISK target is an assumption. They might as well have a dollar limit, which means supply isn't negatively influenced.

Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.06.01 22:04:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: oniplE
Edited by: oniplE on 01/06/2011 22:01:55
Originally by: Aelius

-As RL PLEX price does not change it means "rich" players receive even more ISK for their Euros/Dollars and thus needing to sell less PLEXes to achieve their ISK target, thus making the PLEX isk price to climb even more.

That's market mechanics in reverse.

You're forgetting about NEW PLEX sellers. A higher PLEX price means it becomes more attractive for rich players (apparently you're rich if you have 15 dollars, jeez) to sell PLEX. People who won't sell a PLEX for 400M, but will sell for 1b.

Also, PLEX sellers having an ISK target is an assumption. They might as well have a dollar limit, which means supply isn't negatively influenced.


More new PLEX sellers means more supply, which means lower prices.

Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.01 22:51:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Ophelia Allover
Several people want to play eve, but the only way they can do that is by plex because of their home situation. Now I know many people have said "If you cant afford a 15 a month game, then you shouldnt be 'wasting' your time in front of eve." Lets analyze that for a second.

A man has a wife, and 2 kids with a nice house, and a nice 50k a year job. Nothing major, but he isnt massively in the hole on several things. This man goes to work for 8-9 hours a day, comes home, spends some time with his kids, then plays eve for 1-2 hours a day running missions, doing wormholes, ratting, whatever he does to make money in game. Doing this, he is able to make enough for plex/gtc, and have enough left over to occasionally buy that shiny ship, or enough to lose some ships in pvp.

You are telling someone who works hard to provide for his family to basically find a new hobby because plex are getting to high on price. OK so he spends too much time playing eve. So if he quits... he will spend that same amount of time watching american idol as his brain slowly rots away because that show is made for ******s? No.


For this hypothetical guy that you just described, if you are telling me that he has less then $15 left at the end of every month, then he is living beyonds his means. What happens if one of his kids get sick or has an accident? He is a disaster waiting to happen and he has only himself to blame. He can jolly well quit eve and watch idols cause he is indeed a ******.

Originally by: Ophelia Allover
hen you can easily compare plex to the cost of gas. (Yes I actually went there.) You see, no matter how expensive it gets, people have to buy gas. You cant get around that. Now true there are busses and trains, and other forms of public transportation which is all fine and dandy... if you live in the city. However lets look at the people who got a house in the suburbs outside of the crime centers and away from the filth that naturally comes with living in a city.

Those people MUST bend over and take it up the butt from and buy the ever more expensive gas, because they have to get to work, and they have to provide for themselves and their family.


Yes bend over and take it up there because they chose to live in a nice big suburb house away from the filth and crime centers and gas prices is part of the cost of living there. Anyway gas is a finite resource and its cost will only rise. It would be rather ignorant for people not to consider this when they bought their homes. Too busy watching baseball to be more aware of whats going on in the world?


Anyway what irritates me is when people start taking certain privileges or luxuries for granted and when situation turns against them, they suddenly feel like they were entitled to them all along. Everything I said is just my opinion, so please don't take it offensively as I do not expect anyone to agree with them.

Jita Bloodtear
Posted - 2011.06.02 01:46:00 - [144]
 

Here's an actual case study for you. I currently have 41 long term active accounts which are entirely paid for by PLEX. I'm a mass multiboxing miner who does all sorts of highsec things, research corps, market games, freightering, etc. I am not a bot and never have been.

I am seriously considering suspending anywhere between 30 to 38 of my accounts because the PLEX situation is growing out of hand. It's becoming less and less worth my time to spend dozens of hours each month only to break even.

Now it makes total sense that I'm using PLEX, as I'm in no way going to fork over $615 a month to upkeep my accounts. But CCP is still getting $615 a month from me, which as far as I'm concerned makes me one of their most important customers. Now I'm looking at cutting their monthly income by $570/month just by myself. The conglomeration of multiboxers who we play with are also preparing to follow suit, thus leading to a shut down of anywhere between 60-90 accounts.

This isn't a threat or a complaint or anything, it's just that under the current trends of the ingame market we can no longer sustain this many accounts

David Clausewitz
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.02 03:15:00 - [145]
 

it will cause isk inflation

Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari
Innera Holiday Resorts
Posted - 2011.06.02 03:55:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 02/06/2011 04:03:46
Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 02/06/2011 04:03:29
Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 02/06/2011 04:01:22
Originally by: Jita Bloodtear
Here's an actual case study for you. I currently have 41 long term active accounts which are entirely paid for by PLEX. I'm a mass multiboxing miner who does all sorts of highsec things, research corps, market games, freightering, etc. I am not a bot and never have been.

I am seriously considering suspending anywhere between 30 to 38 of my accounts because the PLEX situation is growing out of hand. It's becoming less and less worth my time to spend dozens of hours each month only to break even.

Now it makes total sense that I'm using PLEX, as I'm in no way going to fork over $615 a month to upkeep my accounts. But CCP is still getting $615 a month from me, which as far as I'm concerned makes me one of their most important customers. Now I'm looking at cutting their monthly income by $570/month just by myself. The conglomeration of multiboxers who we play with are also preparing to follow suit, thus leading to a shut down of anywhere between 60-90 accounts.

This isn't a threat or a complaint or anything, it's just that under the current trends of the ingame market we can no longer sustain this many accounts


Damn, that`s some hardcore gameplay. Cool

As for PLEX price, people keep saying CCP will do something if PLEX is too expensive but what are they going to do about it? If they seed plex on marketplace covertly it means that they are actually taking a loss on it as they provide essentially free gametime for players. That could only be used as emergency measure for a little while.

Well, I suppose they could boost mission and ratting rewards so people could better afford the plex but pretty soon sellers will adjust. And if they put in price ceiling supply might dry up once sellers decide real life money -> isk conversion ratio is no longer worth it.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.02 04:14:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 02/06/2011 04:17:09
yay, numbers game again!

Still using numbers from almost a year ago as I'm too lazy to actually look it up :)

38 accounts cancelled against 300k accounts = 299,962 accounts. So CCP maintains 99.9987% of their accounts.

To quote Calvin & Hobbes... "I'M SIGNIFICANT!!!!"... screamed the dust speck Cool

*Edit!

Because now I'm interested, let's see how much CCP brings in for 300k accounts!

300K * $15/month = $4,500,000 a month

With the significant loss of 38 accounts they'd only pull in $4,494,150 a month. Hope they have food stamps in Iceland Razz

Jita Bloodtear
Posted - 2011.06.02 04:51:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 02/06/2011 04:17:09
yay, numbers game again!

Still using numbers from almost a year ago as I'm too lazy to actually look it up :)

38 accounts cancelled against 300k accounts = 299,962 accounts. So CCP maintains 99.9987% of their accounts.

To quote Calvin & Hobbes... "I'M SIGNIFICANT!!!!"... screamed the dust speck Cool

*Edit!

Because now I'm interested, let's see how much CCP brings in for 300k accounts!

300K * $15/month = $4,500,000 a month

With the significant loss of 38 accounts they'd only pull in $4,494,150 a month. Hope they have food stamps in Iceland Razz

While I know this is intended to be an insult aimed at me declaring myself a valuable customer, but you're really missing the point of what I said. My case is significant because it represents the larger issue, which is that multiboxers cannot sustain their accounts as this trend continues. This represents thousands and thousands of accounts. My subgroup of this larger group of people is around 60-90 accounts. The point I was making was that this isn't a theoretical argument about what "might be", but instead of what is.

Herr Wallenquist
Posted - 2011.06.02 04:56:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Karash Amerius
You know, there was a time when the PLEX system did not exist, yet many "poor" players played and their numbers grew. You should think about that.


Yea and that's when the (this) game is still unknown tbh though I think the things that make EvE unique is of course their Plex system but that is (this) is a delicate matter, there ought to be a balance or it should be lowered down

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.02 05:30:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Surprise *******s
Edited by: Surprise *******s on 01/06/2011 01:45:08
So someone cant play eve for an hour or two each day after spending 3 hours in classes then spending 8 hours doing homework? What are you? One of those communist Chinese isk farmers?


If you need 8 hours a day to do homework after 3 hours of school, you're doing something wrong. I call BS.

Back to the topic.

The cycle is PLEX -> AUR or ISK -> Clothing for AUR or ISK -> If you have ISK, buy PLEX. I don't think that's changed.

I would speculate that CCP will manage PLEX prices by adjusting the value of AUR based on how they see it impacting the value of PLEX.

Any other comments in this thread about CCP injecting PLEX into the market, or limited PLEX purchases per month is pure BS as far as I know. If CCP wants to adjust the value of PLEX, they can change it's price or availability. Currently, you can buy some huge number of PLEX in one purchase, but you are limited on the number of actual purchases and time to delivery. There is no month long waiting period or PLEX sale freeze that I am aware of, though I suppose they may apply this to one account after a massive number of purchases.

Whatever.. it's neither here nor there. PLEX has a definite value to the end user. That amount determined by what they feel is affordable and worthwhile, before they decide it's easier just to pay for the next month. I paid 401 for 1 account this month, to extend my game time, and I wouldn't want to pay more. Frankly, I felt like I was ripping my arm off and handing it to the guy. Yet, when I sell PLEX in better times, I feel cheated at around 300 or less, with just over 300 being acceptable, but a bit of a letdown.

Better times do not really make money worth less to me, and ISK has very little value in game. Lately I've come to think of Billions as Millions, given that they really don't amount to much. It's extra zero's, but they might as well follow a decimal place, for all they're worth. Back when I started playing a Billion seemed significant, but after some time and experience, I've come to realize that it's really petty change, and relatively meaningless.

Personally, I think the kauffle over AUR, PLEX, and Micro-Transactions is a load of tripe, and not worth much overall either. Call it what you want, it's really just hype. Probably the only thing driving PLEX up right now, and organized by the parties who hold that PLEX. Wouldn't surprise me anyway.

Micro-transactions are insignificant and won't impact or change the game at all. CCP could sell Faction ships, ore, minerals, or anything else for real money through conversion, and it wouldn't change anything. You know why? Because it's already there.

So cut the crap, ditch the drama and move on.


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