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Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.05.31 08:50:00 - [1]
 

this morning while semi-autopiloting my Obelisk and having breakfast i suddenly got one funny picture in my brain.

Let's see:
square with sizes 100x100 meters is 10000m2
cube with sizes 100x100x100 meters have value of 1 mil m3.

Obelisk (and other frighters i suppose) has size more than 1 kilometer in one dimension. And it has almost equal sizes of other directions.

Why the heavens you need to fly 1Km x 1Km x 1Km ship (this is like 1billion m3 of value) ship for hauling small piece of cargo with value of 1mil m3??? Laughing crazily ineffective for the pure industrial ship with only 1 purpose - hauling stuff.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.05.31 08:53:00 - [2]
 

Yes the cargo hold should be 1bil m3. Rolling Eyes

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.05.31 09:15:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Illwill Bill on 31/05/2011 09:15:19
Compare them to a Soyuz-2 with a Progress cargo pod, and you will find that freighter cargo holds are fairly spacious.Very Happy

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.31 09:24:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Lidia Prince on 31/05/2011 09:25:35
You do understand that ships are not hollow, right? There are systems and mechanisms in there (imagine the size of engines needed to push this giant forward) , comfortable working space for crew, etc. Even cargo holds are not empty, there surely are shelves, robotic manipulators and so on. Secondly, odelisk is not a cube, it's 1km high, but barely 500m wide and long, and if you'll look at the model, you'll see that Obelisk cargoholds are not inside the main massive, but oh it's sides. And don't forget that it's Gallente ship, it's massive for a reason, even their fighters are big.

Zoroa Aulx-Gao
Koa Mai Hoku
Destiny Corrupted.
Posted - 2011.05.31 09:25:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 31/05/2011 09:25:31
>implying the obelisk is completely hollow

Originally by: Lidia Prince
Edited by: Lidia Prince on 31/05/2011 09:25:04
You do understand that ships are not hollow?


****, beat me.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.05.31 09:32:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
this morning while semi-autopiloting my Obelisk and having breakfast i suddenly got one funny picture in my brain.

Let's see:
square with sizes 100x100 meters is 10000m2
cube with sizes 100x100x100 meters have value of 1 mil m3.

Obelisk (and other frighters i suppose) has size more than 1 kilometer in one dimension. And it has almost equal sizes of other directions.

Why the heavens you need to fly 1Km x 1Km x 1Km ship (this is like 1billion m3 of value) ship for hauling small piece of cargo with value of 1mil m3??? Laughing crazily ineffective for the pure industrial ship with only 1 purpose - hauling stuff.
I too want to fly a paper-thin plated freighter.

Zoroa Aulx-Gao
Koa Mai Hoku
Destiny Corrupted.
Posted - 2011.05.31 09:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Wacktopia
Yes the cargo hold should be 1bil m3. Rolling Eyes


It would usher in a whole new chapter in the world of lolmails.

GAGILLION ISK LOSS.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.05.31 09:45:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Wacktopia on 31/05/2011 09:45:14
I had a dream the other day that there was some way you could have a bil cargo capacity on any ship by doing... er... stuff.


Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.05.31 09:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lidia Prince

You do understand that ships are not hollow, right? There are systems and mechanisms in there (imagine the size of engines needed to push this giant forward) , comfortable working space for crew, etc. Even cargo holds are not empty, there surely are shelves, robotic manipulators and so on.

take a look to trucks, to sea ships, to trains. How big overhaul you see? I guess about 10-20% of size + 10-30% of mass. And this is in planet, with winds, rains, gravitation and other....

And again: this is not military ship, this is not cruise liner. This is pure industrial ship which even can't drop and take cargo containers in/from space. This is big can with engines and small control tower on top of it. Laughing

Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
Posted - 2011.05.31 10:01:00 - [10]
 


Freighters need rigs.

Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2011.05.31 10:27:00 - [11]
 

RP reason: For structural stability reasons, only parts of the hull can be used for cargo holds. The rest are inertial stabilizers, artificial gravity generators, warp cores, regular drives, life support in case you transport livestock and so on. Even when there is no gravity, mass does have inertia, so the hull must be able to withstand the forces caused by maneuvers with a comfortable margin.

Practical reason: No ship is meant to be able to transport a capital ship through a gate. If this were possible, people could store capital ships in the safety of high security space. (Example, someone in the thread hinted to a recently introduced and pretty quick patched bug which allowed to "fit" arbitrary amount of modules - not sure if anyone used the bug to, say, have a Rorqual in hisec for safe mineral compression by the use of Expanded Cargohold modules.)

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.05.31 10:48:00 - [12]
 

Wasn't there this or that industrial ship (Iteron?) with the opposite problem? I.e. the amount of cargo space was much larger than the physical size of the model?

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2011.05.31 11:14:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Wasn't there this or that industrial ship (Iteron?) with the opposite problem? I.e. the amount of cargo space was much larger than the physical size of the model?

F-ing magnetshaulers. How do they work?

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:08:00 - [14]
 

The reason is simple, If your ship look'd like cargo containers with rockets strapped on then it would be like 99% of all other space games out there.

Every race would have highly similar ships, and skills wouldnt really do anything!.

Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.01 10:37:00 - [15]
 

A note on the fiction: The Planck stabilizer fields allow cargo space expansion, or more properly, space compression. This is most notable when you look at containers - they can contain more volume than they take up themselves.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:27:00 - [16]
 

Ok so lets say the Obelisk volume inside is 1b m3.

1,000,000,000.

Now the Obelisk can hold about, lets say, 1 million meters.

1,000,000

So the Obelisk has .1% of it's space for cargo.

The Obelisk, therefore, wastes 99.9% of its space. In terms of the human body, thats like using 1 little finger for cargo space and the rest is the rest of the ship. Even Han Solo had more space than that for smuggling, let alone hauling cargoExclamation

Arkon Hjallian
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:34:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Arkon Hjallian on 01/06/2011 11:33:58
Real men use shuttles




Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:14:00 - [18]
 

Would you like paper, plastic or an Obelisk?

Altina Akiga
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:17:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Arkon Hjallian
Edited by: Arkon Hjallian on 01/06/2011 11:33:58
Real men use shuttles






I flew a freighter through lowsec the other day and nearly got my webber killed by sentry guns because I used the wrong char (OOC one) to do it o\

Does that compare with the using of a shuttle?

Frank Corncob
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:32:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Headerman
Ok so lets say the Obelisk volume inside is 1b m3.

1,000,000,000.

Now the Obelisk can hold about, lets say, 1 million meters.

1,000,000

So the Obelisk has .1% of it's space for cargo.

The Obelisk, therefore, wastes 99.9% of its space. In terms of the human body, thats like using 1 little finger for cargo space and the rest is the rest of the ship. Even Han Solo had more space than that for smuggling, let alone hauling cargoExclamation


The volume of an Obelisk is 17,550,000 m3. I don't know how you got 1 billion.

Learn to right click -> show info.

I Googled it btw.

So it can hold about 20% of it's own volume.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:41:00 - [21]
 

All volumes and capacities in EVE need to be multiplied by some 25-100 times. Then we may reach a scale that fits with the ship sizes.

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.06.01 14:47:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Wacktopia
Yes the cargo hold should be 1bil m3. Rolling Eyes


One problem with that, where would the crew, engine, hull, armor and all the other things that make a ship fly go? I view a Freighter as a giant city in space that hauls ****.

IMMORTAL GAME
Posted - 2011.06.01 19:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Altina Akiga
Originally by: Arkon Hjallian
Edited by: Arkon Hjallian on 01/06/2011 11:33:58
Real men use shuttles






I flew a freighter through lowsec the other day and nearly got my webber killed by sentry guns because I used the wrong char (OOC one) to do it o\

Does that compare with the using of a shuttle?


WTF?! You look like my exgirlfrien! Shanna is that you? WTF


 

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