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Jimmy Nails
Minmatar
Dead Sky Inc.
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.30 22:13:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Jimmy Nails on 30/05/2011 22:14:21
Hey guys,
I will be running C4 sites alongside other corpmates in Tengus and another Loki however, I was having trouble coming up with a decent fit for the Loki. If anyone could recommend any improvements to the current fit I have created then that would be much appreciated.

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

496 DPS with Hobgoblin II's, 38k EHP.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.30 23:44:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 30/05/2011 23:52:47
Taking your fit and working from there:

[Loki, c4 RR better?]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Co-Processor II

10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Targeting System Subcontroller II
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Not stacking 4 dps mods/rigs, helping everyone's tracking(+maneuvering) rather than just your own via the webs, bigger guns, plugging the kinetic resist hole and locking just as fast. Downside is less base falloff/tracking. Same dps at the same range though when comparing barrage+webs to faction shortrange ammo. Should be equal or better applied dps especially if it helps everyone get closer/apply missile dps better, and you can swap to hail/faction for 150dps more.

If you don't care for the matching lock speed you could consider a CCC rig but I'm not sure what cap stability you're shooting for - you've plenty with the RR off but sod all with it on. How is your fleet flying? Spinny ball of T3s pulsing RR, tengus Zzzing while you screw your own tracking?

A falloff rig requires more PG. Same problem with going with some TEs and a dps rig.

Going 3 faction gyros means you don't need the co proc but I'm not sure what to do with the spare low (cargo expander for all the ammo you'll be ****ing? Laughing) as a PDS doesn't fit without doing something like swapping a web back for a CR. But then you'd have your PG for a gun rig if you didn't want to implant for it.

Test Build
Posted - 2011.05.31 08:46:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Test Build on 31/05/2011 09:11:30
Edited by: Test Build on 31/05/2011 09:07:17


Just FYI from someone who runs C4 frequently.

Most stuff wont get within 30 clicks of you. Except frigates.

The BS especially like to spawn 100kms+ away, and rarely get under 60kms unless I chase them.

If you're in the RR team you need to stay under 8kms from your team, while they can hit out to 100kms you're kinda fuct with auto's


Now I understand all the Tracking comps..

Without drones, not stable, no gunnery implants.

[Loki, C4 RR]
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
6x 425mm AutoCannon II (Republic Fleet EMP M)

Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
2x Federation Navy Tracking Computer (Optimal Range)

4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Effective HP: 37,627
Tank Ability: 62.23 DPS
Shield Resists - EM: 86.88%, Ex: 73.75%, Ki: 68.50%, Th: 79.00%
Armor Resists - EM: 90.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 67.50%

Capacitor: Lasts 2m 40s

Volley Damage: 1,800.39
DPS: 571.18

3k Optimal 20k Falloff, which is..meh, but better.
The faction stuff is cheap, the ship still comes in under 800M.


I don't think you need a DCU, you need more buffer in the shields.
(people are slow at switching targets)

The fit is all very tight. Not happy at all about your cap stability.


Better...with this, the Blood PDU are dirt cheap.
There's a free Mid slot (no grid without messing with implants CBF TBH)
Still no drones or gunnery implants.


[Loki, C4 RR]
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
5x 425mm AutoCannon II (Republic Fleet EMP M)

Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
2x Federation Navy Tracking Computer (Optimal Range)

4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Effective HP: 39,149
Tank Ability: 71.42 DPS
Shield Resists - EM: 86.88%, Ex: 73.75%, Ki: 68.50%, Th: 79.00%
Armor Resists - EM: 90.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 67.50%

Capacitor: Stable at 52.01%

Volley Damage: 1,500.32
DPS: 475.98


Jimmy Nails
Minmatar
Dead Sky Inc.
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.31 11:15:00 - [4]
 

Thanks for the advice guys. Given the issues with range I've decided to use this fit:

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Test Build
Posted - 2011.05.31 17:50:00 - [5]
 

Still think you need more buffer..throw the DCU.
If you're in hull..you're fuct. The resists are fine without it.

Getting primaried by 4 BS will be a butt puckering moment.
They neut hard as well, you'll lose the invuls when you cap out.

Use some faction stuff, it's a T3...if it blows up you have 4-5 days to think about where you went wrong :P

Jimmy Nails
Minmatar
Dead Sky Inc.
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.31 18:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Test Build
Still think you need more buffer..throw the DCU.
If you're in hull..you're fuct. The resists are fine without it.

Getting primaried by 4 BS will be a butt puckering moment.
They neut hard as well, you'll lose the invuls when you cap out.

Use some faction stuff, it's a T3...if it blows up you have 4-5 days to think about where you went wrong :P


A friend slighly remade the fit to increase cap at the expense of PG. I'll need a 3% PG implant for the fit below but it looks promising.

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II,EMP M
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

I'll probably get the RF Gyro's depending on how the first few sites go, It'll give me an opportunity to alter the fit if problems arise. As for the DCII, I'll probably exchange a TE II and whack it on although I'll need a 1% CPU implant.


 

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