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TraderAlt 4153172618
Posted - 2011.05.28 23:23:00 - [1]
 

I am looking to do a remap but before I leave the land of perception and wisdom I was wondering if I should bother with some of the level five missile support skills, specifically;
  • Guided Missile Precision
  • Missile Bombardment
  • Missile Projection
  • Target Navigation Prediction
  • Warhead Upgrades


I know it depends, but I was wondering what your personal view of each of these skills is.

Thank you in advance.



vaseel
Caldari
Grupa PetNicet
Posted - 2011.05.28 23:36:00 - [2]
 

If you use missiles, yes. Get them all to at least IV, preferably V.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.05.29 00:31:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: vaseel
If you use missiles, yes. Get them all to at least IV, preferably V.

Seconded.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.05.29 02:10:00 - [4]
 

It will depend on what ship and what missiles you intend to use.

A cruise missile boat? Projection and Bombardment become less important because you'll have plenty of range anyway at best they make it easier to count volleys when you shoot NPCs.

A torpedo boat? Now Projection and Bombardment become critical to get the most out of your missiles, but on the other hand, Guided Missile Precision becomes 100% useless.

Target Navigation Prediction is handy, but only truly becomes worth it once you start firing high-damage T2 missiles.

Finally, Warhead Upgrades is unversally good to have, but as a rank-5, the training time to lvl V for those additional 1.8% damage is questionable. You definitely want it to IV though, but then again, as the old adage goes: anything worth training is worth training to IV.

Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
Posted - 2011.05.29 08:54:00 - [5]
 

Aye, listen to the Tippia.

Warhead Upgrades 5 - You'll eventually want this, regardless of missile type.
Guided Missile 5 - Cruise/Heavy missiles benefit nicely from this.
Target Navigation 5 - Useful all around, but Torps will NEED every little boost they can get.
Missile Projection/Bombard 5 - Useful for Heavy/Cruise, but pretty much mandatory for Torps/HAMs/Rockets.

Cruise/Heavy missiles have great range to start with, but deal less DPS. Easier to play with.
Torps (and HAMs) have nasty damage potential, but are almost worthless without the investment to maximize the range. Fully boosted, these short-ranged packages of pain reach out to smack the living crap out of someone.

gonesideways
Posted - 2011.05.31 16:39:00 - [6]
 

do not leave will/percep before training AWU to 5.

I did it and very glad I did, although that means i have to do the other toon too not looking forward to that :/

all supports to 5, minus GMP, tbh it's a helluva train for little return as I see it.

imo

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:00:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: TraderAlt 4153172618
I am looking to do a remap but before I leave the land of perception and wisdom I was wondering if I should bother with some of the level five missile support skills, specifically;
  • Guided Missile Precision
  • Missile Bombardment
  • Missile Projection
  • Target Navigation Prediction
  • Warhead Upgrades


I know it depends, but I was wondering what your personal view of each of these skills is.

Thank you in advance.





Get them all to 5.

Warhead Upgrades makes you gankier. Sometimes 2% more DPs means you can gank the rat 25% quicker.

The range skillz are cool. I favour long-range weapon systems like Heavy Missiles and Cruise Missile, but I still trained mine to 5 and 5 early, and never regretted it. If you want to use Torpedoes or HAMs, or even Standard Missiles, they're even more attractive, and they're probably a must-have for Rockets.

The skillz that help you gank smaller and faster targets are also nice, although note that one of them doesn't affect Rockets/HAMs/Torpedoes.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.06.04 23:04:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Finally, Warhead Upgrades is unversally good to have, but as a rank-5, the training time to lvl V for those additional 1.8% damage is questionable. You definitely want it to IV though, but then again, as the old adage goes: anything worth training is worth training to IV.


I do 108 DPs, rat tanks 105 DPS. If it has 99 hitpoints, it takes me 33 seconds to gank it.

Now I improve my DPS by slightly less than 2%, to 110 DPS. The rat still tanks 105 DPS, so now it takes me slightly less than 20 seconds to gank it.

The question is, how often do rats tank? I've personally observed rats recover lost shield HP, or lost armour HP, in chunks that suggest active tanking rather than passive shield regen, but I'm not sure I've observed a rat do both, and I can't say how common rat tanking is.

Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
Posted - 2011.06.05 05:45:00 - [9]
 

Rats are active tank. Rep cycles... vary.

Still, more DPS = dead rat

Dead rats do 0 DPS

Some call it DPS tanking, while I call it.... 'Corpse Tanking'

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.06.05 05:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Helen Hunts
Rats are active tank. Rep cycles... vary.

Still, more DPS = dead rat

Dead rats do 0 DPS

Some call it DPS tanking, while I call it.... 'Corpse Tanking'


I talk about four kinds of tanking:

* Armour tanking
* Active shield tanking
* Passive shield tankin
* Active ganking

Zinn Azna
Absconditus Arcana
Posted - 2011.06.11 01:01:00 - [11]
 

If your main mission ship is a missle boat than getting all the support skills to 5 is a worthwhile investment for sure. It will take some time but better to complete this training before going for the remap.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.06.11 21:11:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Zinn Azna
If your main mission ship is a missle boat than getting all the support skills to 5 is a worthwhile investment for sure. It will take some time but better to complete this training before going for the remap.


GMP is the one I might justify putting off for a bit, especially if you're going with a Tengu (or NH) over a Raven. I've been in a NH for years and am just now finishing up GMP 5 -- at 83 million sp.

The others are all pretty helpful though, even range skills.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.11 21:50:00 - [13]
 

Guided Missile Precision - meh, only if you really have nothing better to do
Missile Bombardment - eh, why not, but no hurry
Missile Projection - maybe, a bit long but worth it
Target Navigation Prediction - yes, ASAP
Warhead Upgrades - maybe, but among the last

Dach Starwind
Posted - 2011.06.13 12:41:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Guided Missile Precision - meh, only if you really have nothing better to do
Missile Bombardment - eh, why not, but no hurry
Missile Projection - maybe, a bit long but worth it
Target Navigation Prediction - yes, ASAP
Warhead Upgrades - maybe, but among the last

I understand that navigation prediction is a good skill - but getting it to lvl V - relly that much dps increase ? (against moving targets I mean) Can anyone explain this skill to me please Embarassed

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2011.06.15 10:12:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Darius Brinn on 15/06/2011 10:12:10
Originally by: Dach Starwind

I understand that navigation prediction is a good skill - but getting it to lvl V - relly that much dps increase ? (against moving targets I mean) Can anyone explain this skill to me please Embarassed


Akita himself explained it with this very useful post



I recommend you to read it, and then get TNP to V ASAP.


 

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