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Father Hogswatch
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:26:00 - [661]
 

Since I am very against microtransactions, and we know how it ends. I cancelled my subscription. So solong and thans for all the fish.

If CCP changes its mind later on, I might return.

Fynar Fearlson
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:28:00 - [662]
 

Isn't Eve Online have a Pay&Play marketing type? CCP you showed your bad side right now, a greedy one. Everyone know that you are doing it for money. MMO with subscription should not have a microtransactions. Right now you are only destroying your own visions (lie?) of this game.

BTW: "Aurum" - Who came up with that name?

Gibbo5771
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:29:00 - [663]
 

Anyone remember a game that EA games made?

Was like a grand theft auto multiplayer mmo thing, the game was like £30 to buy then £xx a month, it was pretty good. Then once it came out of beta they instantly released a "Shop" where you bought points with £ for upgrades and stuff, that games player base lasted about a month after beta. The only people that play it are people that never leave the house and have too much £££££££.

Evidently enough all those people cared about was dressing up, pimping there car and using stupid overkill god weapons they payed £200 for.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:31:00 - [664]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Are we going to change our equipment if we have to redo our carefully crafted photo every single time we just want to change our shirt?


I rather suspect CCP didn't invest all that money in the character generator just so it could be used a single time by players to create their avatars or for the occasional re-pose. Giving players a reason to use an expensive-to-develop feature on a regular basis makes a lot of sense. Perhaps the character generator will therefore evolve into some kind of showcase and "fitting room" for all the apparel-related vanity items in the in-game store. There are probably plenty of players who would buy into CCP labeling such activities "gameplay". Confused


Crewman Jenkins
Caldari
Malicious Demi-Lancers
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:32:00 - [665]
 

Of course they're doing it for the money, its a business, this isn't the blessed order of St. Mary the Meek.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:34:00 - [666]
 

Originally by: Father Hogswatch
Since I am very against microtransactions, and we know how it ends. I cancelled my subscription. So solong and thans for all the fish.

If CCP changes its mind later on, I might return.


can i...

notabene
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:41:00 - [667]
 

Originally by: Eli Strange
This is my only concern...please do not sacrifice atmosphere and game play balance for "customization" or anything else you do. The moment that i need to buy a special exploration, mining, or pvp upgrade just to compete, will be the moment that i find another game.


AgreeExclamation

Olivia Berett
Caldari
Brasfleet Networking Co.
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:42:00 - [668]
 

Welcome to NWO. Or NEUO - New EVE Universe Order.

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:43:00 - [669]
 

Originally by: Father Hogswatch
Since I am very against microtransactions, and we know how it ends. I cancelled my subscription. So solong and thans for all the fish.

If CCP changes its mind later on, I might return.


why didn't you quit when CCP introduced the PLEX? PLEX is a microtransaction too. I can't get how dumb a lot of EVE players are.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:45:00 - [670]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 11:45:10
So, CCP is making EVE easier for new players

How come they just complicated the currency system with 3 (THREE) ingame currencies?

ISK, PLEX and now AURUM.

Just asking because they said they wanted to make it easier for new players, this goes in the opposite direction.

They are starting to move all items to the market away from fragmented between contract and markets, but now we have this 3 exchange currencies and 3 stores. One in station for AURUM items, the market, and contracts.


azurisk
Caldari
Space Tech Innovations
Dangerous By Design
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:48:00 - [671]
 

I just hope new staff will be acquired for all of this nonsense. Would hate to see current ccp resources being wasted on this.

Olivia Berett
Caldari
Brasfleet Networking Co.
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:50:00 - [672]
 

And is it too complicated to handle 3 currencies ? LoL.

Children in some coutries with not a good educational system handle even more than that.

Heltrail
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:50:00 - [673]
 

All I have is one question: will I be able to exchange plex directly for isk?

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:54:00 - [674]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 11:45:10
So, CCP is making EVE easier for new players

How come they just complicated the currency system with 3 (THREE) ingame currencies?

ISK, PLEX and now AURUM.

Just asking because they said they wanted to make it easier for new players, this goes in the opposite direction.

They are starting to move all items to the market away from fragmented between contract and markets, but now we have this 3 exchange currencies and 3 stores. One in station for AURUM items, the market, and contracts.




there is a lot of mmos, rts and games with different currencies and nobody complains about that. If you can read you will know how to make an aurum.
This aurum thing is the best microtransaction idea ever. you can get through the game, you can get it with real cash and you can get it from a wreck.

I remember when valve first introduced the item shop on team fortress 2. everybody said that it was bad but everyone is using that **** now. but I don't. And I have nice fancy hats without spending one real penny.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:55:00 - [675]
 

So, can we tailor our own items?

Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:56:00 - [676]
 

Custom paint jobs....details please!
Could I repaint my Pilgrim to look like a Curse, or a Geddon to look like the EoM version?

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:03:00 - [677]
 

Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: MotherMoon
Are we going to change our equipment if we have to redo our carefully crafted photo every single time we just want to change our shirt?


I rather suspect CCP didn't invest all that money in the character generator just so it could be used a single time by players to create their avatars or for the occasional re-pose. Giving players a reason to use an expensive-to-develop feature on a regular basis makes a lot of sense. Perhaps the character generator will therefore evolve into some kind of showcase and "fitting room" for all the apparel-related vanity items in the in-game store. There are probably plenty of players who would buy into CCP labeling such activities "gameplay". Confused




they can take 2 weeks and make the re-shoot optional. come on.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:04:00 - [678]
 

Originally by: Olivia Berett
And is it too complicated to handle 3 currencies ? LoL.

Children in some coutries with not a good educational system handle even more than that.


Confirming this.

I've used USD, CHF and DEM along with my country's currency back in the 90's. And lets just say that I needed billions of my country's worthless money to buy an ice cream (just to be even more complicated). I was 7 years old when all that started.Razz

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:05:00 - [679]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:06:06

Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 11:45:10
So, CCP is making EVE easier for new players

How come they just complicated the currency system with 3 (THREE) ingame currencies?

ISK, PLEX and now AURUM.

Just asking because they said they wanted to make it easier for new players, this goes in the opposite direction.

They are starting to move all items to the market away from fragmented between contract and markets, but now we have this 3 exchange currencies and 3 stores. One in station for AURUM items, the market, and contracts.




there is a lot of mmos, rts and games with different currencies and nobody complains about that. If you can read you will know how to make an aurum.
This aurum thing is the best microtransaction idea ever. you can get through the game, you can get it with real cash and you can get it from a wreck.

I remember when valve first introduced the item shop on team fortress 2. everybody said that it was bad but everyone is using that **** now. but I don't. And I have nice fancy hats without spending one real penny.


Wait, we can get AURUM items from wrecks? How so, what is the mechanics for this? We are put in our pod, naked? So, the clothing goes onto the POD?


Tayllor04
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:06:00 - [680]
 

what a load of pish

Vorlonia
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:15:00 - [681]
 

Edited by: Vorlonia on 28/05/2011 12:26:12
Originally by: Eli Strange
This is my only concern...please do not sacrifice atmosphere and game play balance for "customization" or anything else you do. The moment that i need to buy a special exploration, mining, or pvp upgrade just to compete, will be the moment that i find another game.



+ 1

... and BTW, in my native language AUR = GOLD Twisted Evil

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:15:00 - [682]
 

Originally by: Tayllor04
what a load of pish


You mean Quafe Zero.

Bratilein
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:22:00 - [683]
 

lol at plex prices, but hey, i'm sure you are "monitoring it closely".

Oh, and if you wan't to see where MT leads, just look at all the other games that use it. Vanity items my a**, once you get all that nice money from these ppl you will cater to them of course, thats when **** happens and starts to go downhill. But hey, it was fun for 3 years right, you as a company will just move along to the next game and milk it.

Welcome EA (insert your prefered publisher here...)

Lilliana Stelles
Caldari
Nagrom Security Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:22:00 - [684]
 

Sounds like we're seriously going to need Advanced Infomorph Psychology or some similar skill to give us even more jump clones, now that we can have them just for vanity purposes.

Where exactly will these Aurum stores be? Hopefully we'll have more availability than planetary command centers, which are unpossible to get in nullsec.

I think instead of buying items directly if we could get limited-run BPCs for Aurum, it'd be considerably less unbalancing. Besides, I want to produce clothing. Don't kill my dream.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:23:00 - [685]
 

Since the thread in general was locked in spite of being a good separate discussion, I thought I'd post it here:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1517925

Summary: Why not merge PLEX and AUR into one universal currency which can be converted into a tradable medium or spent (in large quantities) on extending our Pilot License? It'd be a superior alternative to having two separate resources which both basically represent the same thing anyway (that being "Real Money Substitute").

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:25:00 - [686]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:06:06

Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 11:45:10
So, CCP is making EVE easier for new players

How come they just complicated the currency system with 3 (THREE) ingame currencies?

ISK, PLEX and now AURUM.

Just asking because they said they wanted to make it easier for new players, this goes in the opposite direction.

They are starting to move all items to the market away from fragmented between contract and markets, but now we have this 3 exchange currencies and 3 stores. One in station for AURUM items, the market, and contracts.




there is a lot of mmos, rts and games with different currencies and nobody complains about that. If you can read you will know how to make an aurum.
This aurum thing is the best microtransaction idea ever. you can get through the game, you can get it with real cash and you can get it from a wreck.

I remember when valve first introduced the item shop on team fortress 2. everybody said that it was bad but everyone is using that **** now. but I don't. And I have nice fancy hats without spending one real penny.


Wait, we can get AURUM items from wrecks? How so, what is the mechanics for this? We are put in our pod, naked? So, the clothing goes onto the POD?





WHAT

think before you post herp derp.

The pod has nothing to do with it. Pods don't make wrecks. If you want to wear an outfit at another station you have to move your clothes. They don't magically teleport around the universe. So if you kill someone that had a hat in their cargo hold, there is a change you could loot it.

Or say someone buys a ton of hats for isk in rens and wants to resell in jita. If they get ganked they could lose 1000s of hats! And they could be looted.

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:26:00 - [687]
 

Why not just get rid of plex, and buy game time with AUR, and make AUR a second currency that is traded on the market, with exchange rates set by players buying and selling ISK/AUR on the market? This would add a level of complexity, but I would argue not one that is convoluted and unnecessarily complex, but rather one that has complexity which is player driven.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:26:00 - [688]
 

Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
Originally by: Father Hogswatch
Since I am very against microtransactions, and we know how it ends. I cancelled my subscription. So solong and thans for all the fish.

If CCP changes its mind later on, I might return.


why didn't you quit when CCP introduced the PLEX? PLEX is a microtransaction too. I can't get how dumb a lot of EVE players are.


Your inability to see the differences doesn't mean there aren't any. Whether or not they mean anything to you is another matter, but they seem to be important for others and it's their money so they can choose to spend it how they see fit. The major differences are that PLEXs aren't game content, it's a smart way to mitigate the negative affects of RMT and the supply of ISK you could buy with it was supplied and decided by other players.

Now we have CCP selling an infinite supply of stuff directly to people with no player controls just to get extra money from paying subscribers. It's not all bad, since it doesn't give competative advantages, is limited to fluff items and is made available for normal trading, but it will change how CCP develops future fluff content for the game.

From now on normal subscribers are getting cut off from it in the sense that their subscription payment alone won't cover access to the content anymore, so they have to choose between hobo/default look for their characters/ships/whatever is next or paying extra either in RL monies or ISKies. Not the end of the world, but not much to be happy about either.

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:27:00 - [689]
 

Edited by: Larissa Sunsorrow on 28/05/2011 12:34:34
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 12:06:06

Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 11:45:10
So, CCP is making EVE easier for new players

How come they just complicated the currency system with 3 (THREE) ingame currencies?

ISK, PLEX and now AURUM.

Just asking because they said they wanted to make it easier for new players, this goes in the opposite direction.

They are starting to move all items to the market away from fragmented between contract and markets, but now we have this 3 exchange currencies and 3 stores. One in station for AURUM items, the market, and contracts.




there is a lot of mmos, rts and games with different currencies and nobody complains about that. If you can read you will know how to make an aurum.
This aurum thing is the best microtransaction idea ever. you can get through the game, you can get it with real cash and you can get it from a wreck.

I remember when valve first introduced the item shop on team fortress 2. everybody said that it was bad but everyone is using that **** now. but I don't. And I have nice fancy hats without spending one real penny.


Wait, we can get AURUM items from wrecks? How so, what is the mechanics for this? We are put in our pod, naked? So, the clothing goes onto the POD?



I said aurum and not aurum items.


Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
Originally by: Father Hogswatch
Since I am very against microtransactions, and we know how it ends. I cancelled my subscription. So solong and thans for all the fish.

If CCP changes its mind later on, I might return.


why didn't you quit when CCP introduced the PLEX? PLEX is a microtransaction too. I can't get how dumb a lot of EVE players are.


Your inability to see the differences doesn't mean there aren't any. Whether or not they mean anything to you is another matter, but they seem to be important for others and it's their money so they can choose to spend it how they see fit. The major differences are that PLEXs aren't game content, it's a smart way to mitigate the negative affects of RMT and the supply of ISK you could buy with it was supplied and decided by other players.

Now we have CCP selling an infinite supply of stuff directly to people with no player controls just to get extra money from paying subscribers. It's not all bad, since it doesn't give competative advantages, is limited to fluff items and is made available for normal trading, but it will change how CCP develops future fluff content for the game.

From now on normal subscribers are getting cut off from it in the sense that their subscription payment alone won't cover access to the content anymore, so they have to choose between hobo/default look for their characters/ships/whatever is next or paying extra either in RL monies or ISKies. Not the end of the world, but not much to be happy about either.


I agree with you. But (i hope that) those items are going to be sold in the market too. This isn't the end of the universe, but I can't get how people complain too much for a useless thing. I'm not going to spend real money. But am I going to do three or four level 4 missions to buy a catwoman costume. hell yeah!

Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
Posted - 2011.05.28 12:31:00 - [690]
 

Edited by: Kale Kold on 28/05/2011 12:34:32

I cant believe CCP have introduced another currency when ISK would of been fine!

Not only that but the first batch of content released for Incarna is behind a ******* paywall!!!

Jesus, do they understand that a game thrives on content! Now when WIS is finally released in 2020 everyone will look the same because no-one will use real money to buy other content.

This is a stupid idea and to protest i've just cancelled an alt account forever!

I will NOT be paying RL money for stuff my subscription should cover!!! This is CCP's NGE!


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