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Zapatero


E-ON
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:02:00 - [1]
 

Readers of the current issue of EON will have seen the "MIA" profile of Herko Kerghans, who was something of a legend among readers and writers of EVE fiction. Well, we've dug up and re-animated another EVE corpse, this one with the label of CYVOK hanging from a gangrenous toe.

If you had any contact with the old ASCN leader, or retain a flickering impression of his (and ASCN's) many achievements, then plop them in this thread and I'll collect the most interesting and heartfelt quotes for possible publication in the next issue of the magazine.

Cheers.

- Z


Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:24:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Chribba on 27/05/2011 12:33:08
STEEEEEEVE!!

edit/Losing Steve in New Eden is as to losing Wilson in Tom Hanks Cast Away...

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:26:00 - [3]
 

This is making me feel old >.< A serious trip back down memory lane.


Ordais
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:29:00 - [4]
 

Oh, the hobbits form the south, we had some nice headbanging down there, yea, back then when you had to travel with your frighters all the way back down...not like today Rolling Eyes

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.27 12:34:00 - [5]
 

Funny how constructing a Titan was a huge (read: gigantic) accomplishment back in the day, and now we have Alliances playing e-peen wars with several Titans and/or MothershipsLaughing

Ancient Memories
Posted - 2011.05.27 13:25:00 - [6]
 

Write here what you read there next! On glossy paper.

Revolutionary journalism.

Zapatero


E-ON
Posted - 2011.05.27 13:35:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ancient Memories
Write here what you read there next! On glossy paper.

Revolutionary journalism.


EON... revolutionary journalism? I think you have us mistaken. "Community copywriting" would be a better phrase, if indeed I was making forum words the entire focus for the article.

If I had a high horse, I would gladly let you ride it into the sunset. Wink

- Z

Ancient Memories
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:28:00 - [8]
 

Still any "magazine" is remotely connected to the discipline.. And what I saw of it "community copywriting deluxe" at least. Smile

I know we all had our giggles and just waited for him to lose it. But in the end my guess is Cyvok invested alot to make the game "come to life" so at least have the decency to harvest the old posts yourself or do some interviews behind the scenes other than this "oi 'member Cyvok lol"- kind of post to bring the children of today nigh te ol' epic tales. That's what I meant.

Thanks but high horses are tough to ride in double-bottoms Wink

Conar
Mafia Italiana
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:41:00 - [9]
 

Our corp "Merchant Maines" moved down there a few months before our Golden Boy lost is new toy. Our ceo Ethan Kel got ****ed at the allaince because we were being treated like slaves, forced to login and work for "Da man". So he packed up his toys and ordered an evac. I remember seeing my first titan and the first DD. He was an arse but he had a great alliance.

I too remember the frighter runs to empire. 2-2.5 hour process where you were required to have bookmarks in order to land zero on the gate. They had this chick on comms leading us, made it all worth it. Voice of an angel.


Conar

Nia Valence
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:52:00 - [10]
 

see the thing with current times is... NO ONE CARES.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:52:00 - [11]
 

Ex-CLS and later Ex-CLS-F.

I have fond memories of ASCN. It was the first major organization that I joined by choice.

But in retrospect, they were exploitative as hell.
I still remember one mining op, they paid me IN SHARES! I keep them in my wallet as a reminder not to be so easily exploitable.

RazerKill
Probe Patrol
P R I M E
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:19:00 - [12]
 

Ex Corm TFD and TSYND.

The good old days beginning with XETIC.
how norab ripped off the whole tsynd corp.
rip steve and the old corm outpost

Canine Fiend
Minmatar
Hidden Refuge
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:30:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Canine Fiend on 27/05/2011 16:45:15
I was in CLS with Cyvok for a long time, even before they formed ASCN or formal alliances were introduced to the game. I was a member of ASCN High Command and one of about 5 people who knew where Steve (The first titan) was being built

One of my first memories of Cyvok was when war was declared on us (CLS) by Mercenary Frigates. All of the members of CLS formed a rag-tag group around the station in various ships, the majority being the most terribly PVP fit frigates ever with a select few in crusiers. Cyvok showed up in a battleship and blew us all away. We lost terribly, and I think Cyvok lost the BS, but he stood there uniting all of us with this massive ship that few of us had seen in the game up to that point.

I helped Cyvok with the creation of Steve, when the goons were actively searching for POSes in feyth I used an alt spy to read their forums and relay false information back through our alliance mail, directing them away from its construction location. When the time came for Steve to be born, I was there, and Cyvok tested the doomsday for the first time ever on TQ on my Naglfar.

Cyvok was an inspirational leader, and far ahead of his time in terms of alliance politics. He wanted to carve out a swath of empire in 0.0 space and truly provide a 'home' for the people in CLS, and later, ASCN. Sadly, others didn't see things his way and it was not to be. Shortly after the loss of Steve Cyvok became distant and I haven't seen him come online in a while now.

He was always talking on TS about dreams for 0.0. "CCP is putting in a system that lets us control 0.0 just like empire, gate guns and locking down systems" he'd always have some hope that he was going to be able to make a true home.

Regardless of what anyone says about him after the fact, he was a true leader and a good friend.

[EDIT] Actually, you can see the video/test I was talking about with the Naglfar and my Alt "Anthrope Mata" in the video here:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=400298&page=18#540

Raneru
Combat and Recon
Posted - 2011.05.27 17:31:00 - [14]
 

From the title of the thread, I came in thinking the RL Cyvok was dead!

Anyone remember the time Cyvok was presented with a Nightmare for his birthday and we had a 400man snowball fight to celebrate in AZN?

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.05.27 17:50:00 - [15]
 

Cyvok.

now those are old times...


my time in CLS was mostly back in the ASCN days.
granted stuff wasn't perfect, and we were carebears with pitchforks, on the lack of better description.
but stuff did work. we had a real market down there and every time I open up the map and check AZN pilot count, it makes me feel somewhat sad that back then, since AZN had a consistent count of around 60 people.

now it's not even a shadow of it's former self, and the market is pretty much toasted.

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.05.27 18:01:00 - [16]
 

Ex-ASCN member, miner and general badly fit sniper fleet scrub, checking in.

I was there for the launch of Steve, and I was logged in when the news came we'd lost it. Not in-system (part of a bumble-**** fleet that was being 'organized' at the time).

I have to say I don't miss ASCN all that much. Yeah there was a market, with mods significantly pricier than empire, certain peeps even admitted to having jacked up prices on the ASCN market, gouging supposed alliance-mates. And then there were the many 'unpaid' mining ops that directly went into building 'Steve' or several outpost stations.

A lot was accomplished, but the methods by which these accomplishments were achieved was not particularly conducive to industrial types (like me, at the time) logging in.

Also hi Grimpak.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.05.27 18:02:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Komen
Also hi Grimpak.


I told you it's not my fault!

Razz

Canine Fiend
Minmatar
Hidden Refuge
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2011.05.27 18:48:00 - [18]
 

This is crazy, it's like an ASCN reunion... and I too thought Cyvok had died after reading Zap's thread title.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.05.27 18:56:00 - [19]
 

Ascendant Frontier was one of those alliances that looked far better from the outside than from within and far better from the top then from the bottom.

While I was never actually affiliated with them, my corp's intelligence division (nothing associated with Val'Dore) did cover them pretty well along with most other 0.0 powers. We never did get to make use of any of that intel though, since our own grand plans were foiled.

Moghydin
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.05.27 20:41:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Val'Dore
Ascendant Frontier was one of those alliances that looked far better from the outside than from within and far better from the top then from the bottom.


QFT. I wasn't for very long in the ASCN, but I remember that war with BoB when we were hugging POSes and such. It was then when I had a chat open with my friend from "the other side" and he said "We have killed Cyvok's Titan". My first reaction was "No f****ing way!", but turned out it was true. From that moment on ASCN simply cascaded into oblivion.

Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.27 22:28:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Sha Dar on 27/05/2011 22:29:27
Definitely inspirational.

He was responsible, along with the rest of us, for the biggest player built empire in the game for quite some time.

Most stations
Fastest built stations (from desire to completion)
Most members
First in game player built station
First in game player built titan
etc...


Some of the fondest memories I have in eve are from back in the ASCN days under Cyvok. Never really got to know the guy properly, but the list of stuff achieved under his leadership is impressive, especially when you consider jump freighters didn't exist, jump bridges didn't exist.. and supply meant 20+ freighters moving 44+ jumps through 0.0 with very minimal support.

Crazy days.

O> the man.

Samuel Miner
Caldari
Perilous Expedition
Posted - 2011.05.27 22:37:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Zapatero
Readers of the current issue of EON will have seen the "MIA" profile of Herko Kerghans, who was something of a legend among readers and writers of EVE fiction. Well, we've dug up and re-animated another EVE corpse, this one with the label of CYVOK hanging from a gangrenous toe.

If you had any contact with the old ASCN leader, or retain a flickering impression of his (and ASCN's) many achievements, then plop them in this thread and I'll collect the most interesting and heartfelt quotes for possible publication in the next issue of the magazine.

Cheers.

- Z




This seems a bit random. My favorite was when he was being accused of being a back-line commander and someone from BoB(IT) asked him in local why he was in system A when the fight was in system B and he responded that he didn't realize where he was :D

Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.27 23:09:00 - [23]
 

ASCN "era" was my best time in eve, was in EDF, at the fall of ASCN was a big blow to morale for me, especially the fleet lag that had accelearated our desctruction
Since then i never came back in 0.0 life? i still wait for fleet lag to be fixed and an ASCN like alliance with a CYVOCK like leader to appear, still waiting...
Since then (2006?) i still trade in ex ascn space buying hangar cleanout and reselling retail ^^ i have tenth of billions of stuff in ex ASCENIA

one detail i remember about CYVOCK is i think when the war against bob started he wrote on forum a nice speach to motivate troops but made a big typo writing "gorilla warfare" instead of "guerilla warfare" dont know if it was intentional but the thread then was more turning around that and funny comments rather than "yes let's fight!" ^^

Tzrailasa
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2011.05.27 23:37:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Zothike
...especially the fleet lag that had accelerated our destruction...

Being on the other side from the start, I can tell you that fleet lag had absolutely nothing to do with it!

You talk like lag benefited one side and not the other. This was not so!

Primarily two things caused your downfall:
1. People didn't show up!
2. People didn't jump when ordered!

Ref #1: Your people might show up once or twice in good ships, then decide their ISK was worth more than their alliance and show up in T1 cruisers (if at all). We showed up in the best equipped ships we could fly. If we died, we came back in another.

Ref #2: When we were assembled on a gate waiting to jump into you, and the order came to jump, EVERYONE did so. When you were in the same situation, a lot of people would not jump until they saw whether the battle went your way. It of course didn't since too MANY didn't jump!

Another couple of things contributed... Your FC's were way too absent and inactive, and your High Command weren't doing much else than posting on your forums (we saw very few of them on the field).

'Lag' is the bad excuse that always comes up, but hadn't anything at all to do with it!

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.05.27 23:52:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Tzrailasa
Originally by: Zothike
...especially the fleet lag that had accelerated our destruction...

Being on the other side from the start, I can tell you that fleet lag had absolutely nothing to do with it!

You talk like lag benefited one side and not the other. This was not so!

Primarily two things caused your downfall:
1. People didn't show up!
2. People didn't jump when ordered!

Ref #1: Your people might show up once or twice in good ships, then decide their ISK was worth more than their alliance and show up in T1 cruisers (if at all). We showed up in the best equipped ships we could fly. If we died, we came back in another.

Ref #2: When we were assembled on a gate waiting to jump into you, and the order came to jump, EVERYONE did so. When you were in the same situation, a lot of people would not jump until they saw whether the battle went your way. It of course didn't since too MANY didn't jump!

Another couple of things contributed... Your FC's were way too absent and inactive, and your High Command weren't doing much else than posting on your forums (we saw very few of them on the field).

'Lag' is the bad excuse that always comes up, but hadn't anything at all to do with it!


What a rosy revisionist tale you tell! Charming!

How about the node crashes mid-battle? How about the jump-in lag where fleets welped to their deaths? That's certainly not a new thing with post-dominion - it was prevalent all throughout the ASCN - BOB war.

The rest, about absentee FCs and high command not showing up for the fun, is 100% spot on, and member participation, you're also correct, was poor. No reimbursement plan in ASCN - we were required to buy and maintain our own spare fleet ships - and this in the day of the untanked fleet sniper. So yes, members showing up (if at all) in cruiser and frigs after losing a couple sniper BSs to laggy jump-ins and, sometimes, BoB's superior FCing (we had terribad FCs), so we regularly got pantsed) is entirely predictable. A sniper-fit BS or three was achievable, but us regular blokes didn't have access to the static complexes (there were dedicated teams who ran them, never was sure what the proceeds of those went for).

Drokar Gazer
DISORDERLY CONDUCT.
Posted - 2011.05.28 00:04:00 - [26]
 

Hah! I was a member of Celestial Horizons and moved to eve together from earth and beyond. I was with CLS when they joined Xetic and was part of corp leadership and corp ambassador to Xetic. Funny story at the time ASCN was formed....a secret few know....our leadership was on the cusp of forming ascn but we came very close to joining Band of Brothers as one of their mining slave corps back when Bob was still in the far north. Cyvock had a great vision for what he wanted 0.0 to become, but he forgot that eve was a pvp game and ascn had gotten soft an lost most of its best pvpers to bob and mercenary coalition.

I ran into Cyvok in another game...and was in a guild with him for a while. I wont say which game as i dont think he cares to be bothered at this point. He was a good carebear leader and people followed him.

Drokar Gazer
DISORDERLY CONDUCT.
Posted - 2011.05.28 00:08:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Canine Fiend
This is crazy, it's like an ASCN reunion... and I too thought Cyvok had died after reading Zap's thread title.



Sup canine!! Remembering the das living behind curse enemy lines in cl85 with u and kraps and a few others. Was the best time i had in eve. Glad to see u still playing!

Gungankllr
Caldari
Hard Rock Mining Co.
Territorial Claim Unit
Posted - 2011.05.28 01:05:00 - [28]
 

I was lucky enough to be the ASCN spokesman for a while, which basically meant I just posted crap on the forums when they wanted me to.

CYVOK and I had a lot of talks, up until he decided to hang up his hat.

I think that the smear campaign that folks ran against him was enough for just about anybody to not want to play anymore. Granted, it's a "sandbox" game- but in the end everybody wants to log in and have a good time with friends, and not see folks blasting them on online forums day in and day out.

I remember that when we were pulling out in the end, I had taken a look in the hangars in RIT to try and see what kind of freighter space we were going to need, and there was more minerals than I have seen in game, before or since.

I'm talking Billions and billions and billions of units.

Sure, you can call us carebears or whatnot- but I think that any 0.0 alliance that expects to be self sufficient needs to have a strong industrial base.

Vydek Daamth
Posted - 2011.05.28 05:04:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Vydek Daamth on 28/05/2011 05:06:36
Some of my fondest memories of the game were as a member of CAB in CLS. And although I cant speak about Cyvok personally I do think what he attempted was visionary. Unfortunately EVE was (and still isnt) set up to support that kind of game play.
0.0 isnt designed for lasting player empires, its devolved into just more or less a teeth kicking contest.

As a person low on the rung (okay more or less the bottom), what I can say is, even though the alliance and CLS was set up as a (socialistic) dictatorship I always felt that- not only was I contributing to the corp overall, but that it really did benefit me. (which is very odd for me to say because I have a very capitalistic view in real life.)

I was on some of the mining-ops for the construction of the 1st POS (and Im guessing the titian) and was never "paid". But that didnt matter (to me), because as a member of CLS we also had "corp insurance", so that if we lost a ship to a war target we were paid out of the corp wallet to cover the loss of our ship that the insurance payout didnt cover. The corp also paid out of its pocket for bounties on destroyed war targets (and pods). To this day I dont know of any corp that had those kind policies that CLS did under Cyvok. So in truth, I never did feel cheated. As a matter of fact I havent had that feeling of "a shared goal" like I did when I was a part of CLS.
Hell, to encourage roaming patrols to protect ASCN space, Cyvok let it be known there would be neutral (alt) industrials carrying "something worth a lot" in the territories that we owned, "so pop them if you can find them". Never did run across one, (so I never did find out what it was) but it worked to get me out jumping thru our space after CAB was disbanded.

I think those kinds of attitudes, of positive reinforcements, went a long way to contribute to his cult of personality.

And truth be told, if the game was ever designed to support the vision he had, and Cyvok returned; I'd put an application in in a flash, even if it meant being a pleb again.


JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.05.28 08:35:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: JC Anderson on 28/05/2011 08:47:56
Originally by: Conar
Our corp "Merchant Maines" moved down there a few months before our Golden Boy lost is new toy. Our ceo Ethan Kel got ****ed at the allaince because we were being treated like slaves, forced to login and work for "Da man". So he packed up his toys and ordered an evac. I remember seeing my first titan and the first DD. He was an arse but he had a great alliance.

I too remember the frighter runs to empire. 2-2.5 hour process where you were required to have bookmarks in order to land zero on the gate. They had this chick on comms leading us, made it all worth it. Voice of an angel.


Conar


It was right after we left the ASCN that I was made CEO of the Merchant Marines... Or at least I think it was then, but could have been after we joined the Knights of The Southern Cross. (Boy we had great luck with alliances) I'm sure you remember the Alliance we joined after KOS as well. ;)

Oh and those freighter runs took way longer than 2-2.5 hours... They were well planned though.

As for Cyvok....

One thing that really stands out in my memory was when he betrayed that smaller (buffer) alliance in Paragon Soul and had us invade. After taking the area, it turns out Cyvok was hearing rumors that ASCN member corps were helping the defeated group get their assets out of the area under his noes.

So he then threatened to have ASCN freighters (yes our OWN freighters) attacked and destroyed if they were spotted flying around in that general area. It wasn't long after that we pulled the Merchant Marines out of the alliance... And we got out just in time before BOB and the MC laid waste to ASCN controlled space.

In all honesty Cyvok was a pretty good guy... And he was a good leader as well in times of peace. Sadly, he didn't pan out as well during times of war.

Oh, and I never agreed with his decision to have the interstellar corespondents announce that we had built the first titan. I logged in one day to see news of it right there on the logon screen. We suddenly became an even larger target than we already were.


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