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Not another alt
Posted - 2011.05.24 22:45:00 - [1]

Edited by: Not another alt on 24/05/2011 22:49:35
Edited by: Not another alt on 24/05/2011 22:45:43
I'm at the point where a regular T1 hauler is getting too small. I want to start mass-producing BS and BCs. But I don't have room for all the minerals nor ship in my cargo. However, buying the skills and freighter seems a bit excessive, as I won't fill an entire freighter (at least not with the ISK for stuff after I have after buying the darn thing) with each batch and I don't have much use for it elsewhere.

What I'm wondering is what my alternatives are? I know I could go for an Orca, but they're more a miner's support ship to begin with and with their current price, they don't give a lot of cargo space for their price, so if Orca's my best alternative, I'd probably be better of buying a freighter.

So... any suggestions? Would it be a dumb idea to suggest a new industrial ship? T2 haulers don't have much more (of not less) cargo than their T1 counterparts and it's one big gap between 20-30K cargo space to a full-blown freighter...

Pegasus Battle Group
Posted - 2011.05.24 23:15:00 - [2]

The Orca can haul around 140,000m3 of cargo between the cargo hold and the corporate hangar with max skills and if its cargo rigged. Orca's are over half the cost of a freighter. I would suggest that you just set up courier contracts to haul your minerals from place to place. Just make sure that you set a collateral high enough that if the tract is not completed you still make a profit.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.05.24 23:28:00 - [3]

You can use courier contracts. If you offer a decent reward and collateral, your shipment gets moved very quickly.

Red Frog Freight is "the" name in courier service.

Or train the long route for an Orca, noting that an AFK Orca is slower than an AFK freighter!

Not another alt
Posted - 2011.05.24 23:40:00 - [4]

Yes, I have considered courier contracts. But I kinda like to haul my own stuff + hiring someone cuts into my own profits! Razz

I'm about two hours away from a freighter and 12 days away from Orca - but I have some unallocated SP, so it should be no more than a couple of hours either if I go for it. I just find the Orca to be very little value for ISK when I don't really mine, and the freighter is an even more massive investment.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.05.25 00:53:00 - [5]

You can rent a freighter.

Buy one. Use it for a while. Sell it.

Zag'mar Jurkar
Advent of the Blood Sun
Posted - 2011.05.25 01:11:00 - [6]

You can always get a Freighter and use his cargohold to fullfil some Courier contracts you can find along your way. Just take anything that's on the road and you make a little extra just there.

Lucky Galactic Expeditions
Posted - 2011.05.25 01:48:00 - [7]

Before you go out and buy a freighter, keep in mind that freighters are slow. How often and how far do you need to move your stuff? Do you really want to be spending a significant amount of your game time waiting for your ship to align? It can get old very fast? Would your time be better spent managing market orders or expanding into other hubs/regions? I've been a miner, manufacturer/trader, and hauler. I've generally found that when you try to do more than one activity with single char, that eve becomes more like a job than fun. I'd recommend specializing in just one and outsourcing the other two. As a manufacturer, do you feel you have to mine your own minerals.....hauling large quantities is no different given how slow ccp makes the ships and probably how many jobs and how far you may want to do the jobs.

Servitor 002
Posted - 2011.05.25 02:16:00 - [8]

I found myself at a somewhat similar place to you a while ago. Starting to produce enough goods that T2 haulers were getting to small, making multiple trips in a T1 or T2 hauler gets old faster than flying a freighter. So i bit the bullet and manufactured my own freighter, havent looked back, not even once.

I found that it has let me expand more if anything, so i would recommend getting a freighter to you.


Not another alt
Posted - 2011.05.25 06:27:00 - [9]

I don't mind slow haulers and long align times; I have two screens, so I always have something else going on. Smile And I've thought about the possibility of picking up courier contracts, but it seems the majority of them give so little reward that it doesn't appear worthwhile, sadly - I'd like to do it, though.

I'll probably go for a freighter either now or later. Though I want to build some more ISK first, so I have enough to spare after the purchase. It's just too bad there's no sensible alternative between regular hauler and freighter...

Open Designs
Posted - 2011.05.25 14:15:00 - [10]

Originally by: Not another alt
It's just too bad there's no sensible alternative between regular hauler and freighter...

it's called a courier contract, as has been mentioned.

yes, there's no mini-freighter for a solo pilot... but meh, this is a MULTIPLAYER game.

Jack Mayhem
Posted - 2011.05.25 14:21:00 - [11]

Orca can carry max. 1 unassembled BS, so if you want to mass-produce BS and BCs, your best bet is a freighter.

Gabriel Rosencrantz
Gods of Freight
Posted - 2011.05.25 15:25:00 - [12]

If you want to do it yourself instead of through couriers, do the freighter and get it over with. You'll have a lot of options then.

Mass production means masses of minerals you'll have to move to your production facility. If you're going to be buying minerals to produce your ships, you should consider mineral sales to complement the operation. If you buy minerals through buy orders away from hubs, you'll get cheaper minerals which means a lower overhead for your production operation. It also means you can sell the excess minerals for quick profit. Throw in some refining skills and you can also buy ore and refine it yourself for even more savings. I personally started with courier contracts paired with mineral trading and then moved on to production once I built up my wallet. The sheer volume of minerals that a freighter can move means that even .20 isk per unit can make it profitable. And it's pretty easy to make more per unit than that if you put your mind to it.

Good luck!

Deep Space Innovations
Posted - 2011.05.25 15:57:00 - [13]

Originally by: Jack Mayhem
Orca can carry max. 1 unassembled BS, so if you want to mass-produce BS and BCs, your best bet is a freighter.

Orcas can carry one assembled ship in the ship hanger actually.

Orcas are one of the best ships in the game IMO. Very versatile. But if you making and transporting BSs, you need a freighter. Btw, the amount of cargo for a t2 transport like the occator is around 38k m3 iirc when rigged and max expanders.

Eventually you'll want all three. So just get a freighter and go from there IMO.

Cipher Jones
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:06:00 - [14]

you will need a freighter, so if you arent going to use an orca for its other niceties, just break down and get the freighter. Its easier to get into anyway. you WILL need the space, trust me.

Posted - 2011.05.25 17:19:00 - [15]

The freighter will give you space to expand, and allow you to diversify.

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Posted - 2011.05.25 20:36:00 - [16]

Forget the Freighter. Too expensive and TOO slow to align at every single gate. Much less station exits Shocked

Get the Orca. Train Engineering V to max out your Powergrid. Use a Large Anciliary Current Router I rig. You will then be able to fit a 100mn Microwarpdrive. At each gate, activating that drive and disengaging immediately, will guarantee a Warp-in-10 Seconds from absolutely any gate in any direction, DRASTICALLY cutting the Orca travel time. I make 10 jumps to Dodixie in 12 minutes.

AND the Maintenance Bay holds a lot. I carry my manufactured T2 Transports (Cranes) in it. Laughing

This is your best bet, I guarantee it.

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:04:00 - [17]


No, this won't help with hauling BS's. Hanging 2 CargoExpander II's and a Cargo rig MIGHT give the regular Cargohold the 50,000 m3 needed for an unassembled BS. Certainly BC's will fit, even an assembled one or two depending in the Maintenance Bay.

BTW someone above mentioned "Orca can carry max. 1 unassembled BS". Untrue. It can't fit at all by 86,000 m3.

Jack Mayhem
Posted - 2011.05.26 13:00:00 - [18]

Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor
(addendum)BTW someone above mentioned "Orca can carry max. 1 unassembled BS". Untrue. It can't fit at all by 86,000 m3.

Actually unassembled (=packaged) BS is 50,000 m3, so I don't see how my statement was untrue.

Open Designs
Posted - 2011.05.26 13:14:00 - [19]

Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor

BTW someone above mentioned "Orca can carry max. 1 unassembled BS". Untrue. It can't fit at all by 86,000 m3.

unassembled BS == 50k m3. you can get (without cargo rigs) somewhere around 60k m3 in the cargohold, or ONE unassembled battleship.

the ship maint bay is (IIRC) too small to fit an assembled BS.

Gabriel Rosencrantz
Gods of Freight
Posted - 2011.05.26 13:46:00 - [20]

Since the OP has stated he's going to be transporting large numbers of BC/BS, the Orca will never hold enough for a decent sized production operation. It really is necessary to use a freighter or courier contracts.

Quallity Assurance Business Unit
Posted - 2011.05.26 14:46:00 - [21]

Freighter also means you can haul up to 1 billion isk worth of stuff and not worry about being suicide ganked. Try hauling 300-500m worth of stuff in T1 or T2 haulers and you will eventually be scanned and killed.

Posted - 2011.05.26 15:25:00 - [22]

suicide ganking a freighter is also worse if you stick anything really valuable in large containers - something like a 50% chance of them dropping if ganked - therefore i often move with over 2 or 3 bn through high sec without worrying too much.
the reason to use a freighter over anything else - is the same reason as using the corporate hangar of an orca - makes sucide ganking much more difficult.

Not another alt
Posted - 2011.05.27 10:47:00 - [23]

Edited by: Not another alt on 27/05/2011 10:52:13
Thanks for helping me out. I've decided to go for a freighter. As pointed out, it'll both allow me to buy, transport and sell whatever wherever I want, and let me expand much more. Just bought the skillbooks! :)

I don't think I'll mind the align time too much, as I have multiple monitors and often multitask. So if it's very bad, I'll just do something else while the behemoth aligns.

I really made the final decision after realizing I had over 250K m3 of loot in my hangar and the fact that I wanted to build BS, but couldn't. Haha.

Thanks again.

Ed: Worst case, I'll have "lost" ~150M in skill books when I sell it again. Smile


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