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Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.22 18:03:00 - [1]
 

With all the changes to agents and missions with this patch I naturally assumed something was snafued with the massive increases to standings gains, especially faction standings via starter missions, and was a little miffed that my long grind of standings gains had been devalued. However upon further consideration I believe this may have been an intentional stealth change and I think I like it.

The only real hurdle for mission running is standings and unless you are very informed and careful it was easy to find yourself effectively locked into one faction pairs space/missions, with pirate missions a tough nut to crack and anti-faction missions on the auto-decline list. Further since your high standings took such a long investment of grind there was disincentive to fix your low standings with the opposing factions/pirates so you could try something different.

Now with standings considerably easier to raise the grind is lessened and destroying your high standings to try pirate missions or opposing faction missions (or just to enter their space) isnít such a tough pill to swallow, since you can recoup those lost standings far easier and they didnít take years to acquire. Also an experienced pilot no longer needs to endure an endless grind of boring low-level missions to get to content more suited to their abilities when changing loyalties. The massive increases to the starter missions is a good thing because they allow a new player to progress at the pace of their ability rather than their time of grind, and gives a new player access to jump clones and a place in the schools to refine/sell almost immediately. They also serve as a one-time quick way to fix your standings with an opposing faction again eliminating a boring and unprofitable grind.

The tutorial and career agent missions now give a faction standing boost equal to a level 4 combat storyline, 12.5% faction 35.7143% corp with social 5. They used to give something like 0.1% faction or something. Yesterday I skyrocketed my Caldari standings by running 12 of 15 tutorial missions (I had done 3, 1 for each school, some time ago and they were locked out unfortunately) and 4 of 15 career agents. My Caldari standings went from 8.85 to 9.68 in a few hours. My standings with State War Academy went from 0.36 (from the one old tutorial I had done) to 9.56 with only having done 4 tutorial and 4 career agents. Iíve already picked up my one-time COSMOS reward of a 2-run Navy Caracal BPC and expect to be picking up my 2-run Navy Raven later today. After I get the required standings I think Iíll save any leftover career agents in case I decide to trash my Caldari standings sometime.

I hope this change remains and would welcome any CCP comment or dev blog as to whether or not this was intended and why (Yes/No to lessen grind). I can also accept the removal of public standings display if standings are far less meaningful than before, although I would still love a cert/decoration style opt-in display to pimp them if youíre proud (and the info for inter-NPC relationships should be restored since that seems like a slight oversight side-effect).

Tl;dr: Take your ADD meds and just read it already.

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2011.05.22 18:25:00 - [2]
 

CCP fixed this today at downtime.
Gains have been divided by 10..

Not sure if they modified all of the agents that had this error or not.
I did manage to get a couple of l4 cosmos in from 4 alts (no standing to l4 cosmos in less than an hour or so).. The standing that those l4 agents gave me puts me into a nice spot if they decide to reset people who got the massive gains.

Shame really, I was gonna have a lot of 9.9+ chars ;(.

Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.22 18:33:00 - [3]
 

really... lame, I hadn't played yet today, oh well

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2011.05.22 18:40:00 - [4]
 

The new system is pants...
It might save the server, but it dumbs down the game and agent system so much that one has to wonder why we even have standings now.

Even with the change, you can still be to level4 within a day for any corp, once their then others can grind your combat missions for you to get you a l4 storyline.

Monstyronum Salice
Minmatar
Old Freelancers
Posted - 2011.05.23 01:26:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: DeODokktor
CCP fixed this today at downtime.
Gains have been divided by 10..

Not sure if they modified all of the agents that had this error or not.
I did manage to get a couple of l4 cosmos in from 4 alts (no standing to l4 cosmos in less than an hour or so).. The standing that those l4 agents gave me puts me into a nice spot if they decide to reset people who got the massive gains.

Shame really, I was gonna have a lot of 9.9+ chars ;(.


Do you have any linkage for this? I noticed a huge change in standings I am gaining today, compared to yesterday. Google is failing me for some reason...

Alaric T'Sun
Minmatar
Aphelion T'Sun
Posted - 2011.05.23 02:15:00 - [6]
 

I noticed it was much slower today as compared to yesterday.

Just when I was getting excited to try missions too. Not making any noticeable gains is one of the reasons I never got into it before. Granted, it was way too much previously. But now, I'd argue that it is way too little again. Especially since, as I understand it, it takes just as long to go from 9 to 9.9 as it does to go from 0 to 9.

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2011.05.23 08:22:00 - [7]
 

I ran 60 agents that were giving out uber gain and got the same cruddy result every time, it was deffo changed.
Since there was a mistake early on they will likely not comment on it.

I didnt check every agent/path that i seen bugged so some may still be out there.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.05.23 09:25:00 - [8]
 

ran about 20-25 lvl1 missions yesterday evening and this morning.... found no crazy standings... i have been waiting tooooo long Crying or Very sad


 

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