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Stem Salafo
Republic University
Posted - 2011.05.20 05:05:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Stem Salafo on 20/05/2011 05:05:13
Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.


Yah, this is my feelings on the matter too. It was bad enough when they changed it to display only one direction of the inter-faction NPC relationships.

One nice thing about seeing other players standings with NPC corporations was that you could at a glance tell if a new player had done any of the tutorials yet. That's helped me countless times when helping new players.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2011.05.20 05:29:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Serpents smile on 20/05/2011 05:34:23


PS: I sukSad


Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Posted - 2011.05.20 05:45:00 - [33]
 

Ha ha, now you no-life griefers won't be able to tell which agents I use for my missions. I hope that locators are next on the list. Soon the game will become what it should have been eight years ago, and maybe actually have a big enough player count for us real players to actually socialize with. ugh

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.20 06:23:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Destiny Corrupted
Ha ha, now you no-life griefers won't be able to tell which agents I use for my missions. I hope that locators are next on the list. Soon the game will become what it should have been eight years ago, and maybe actually have a big enough player count for us real players to actually socialize with. ugh


An opt-in public visibility system for standings would counter whatever concerns you have about standings, and those who want to express their friends/foes ingame would be able to do so.

Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.05.20 07:07:00 - [35]
 

Told you so.

Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.05.20 07:50:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 20/05/2011 07:53:02
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or to be more precise: part of the uniqueness of EVE is that unlike most games, and most MMOs, it has no "fog of war". It's a high tech society, knowledge about everything is at everyone's fingertips.

So now, suddenly, knowledge about the "political" situation in the EVE universe has become a mystery?

gEM x
Posted - 2011.05.20 08:08:00 - [37]
 

i dont like any of the hidden faction standings bs i hope it gets reversed pronto

Kane Cobra
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.20 08:18:00 - [38]
 

Basic rule of game design : cut the fat. CCP is doing right thing by removing that useless standing list. Come on, who use it anyway? :|

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.05.20 08:25:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Kane Cobra
CCP is doing right thing by removing that useless standing list. Come on, who use it anyway? :|


Corps that want to put POS's up in empire space, for one. So, a pretty good fraction of the game.

Tebb1288
Posted - 2011.05.20 08:36:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.


Once again I completely agree with Akita T.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.05.20 08:55:00 - [41]
 

Indeed only allow the ability to see faction standings. Corp and Agent standings really aren't that important and just causes lag.



Also CCP since you seem to be in the mood of removing useless crap. Could you remove the 2min timer for posting? I believe we are safe from the "Audrey Bitoni" attacks now.

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.05.20 09:55:00 - [42]
 

so.. im not sure anyone has given a decent reason why it should be brought back?

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.20 09:59:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
so.. im not sure anyone has given a decent reason why it should be brought back?

Only 20 times already (if not more).

For one it is simply an intel tool that is removed.
Some corporations need a sufficiently high faction standing (FW/new POS's in high sec), so then you need to know which standings your members have.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.20 10:00:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
so.. im not sure anyone has given a decent reason why it should be brought back?


Because Eve used to be a game where actions had consequences.

But apparently not any more.

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.05.20 10:06:00 - [45]
 

meh, not convincing

Eolithic WithaTwist
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.05.20 10:10:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
CROSS npc standing

As in you cant see Which NPC corps like and dislike one another.

Ya its a big deal.


sweet sweet ghoest tears.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2011.05.20 10:19:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Eolithic WithaTwist


sweet sweet ghoest tears.


Look Ma: no brainz!
Indeed child, no bwrainz, here have a cookie.

Cosmoes
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.20 10:46:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
so.. im not sure anyone has given a decent reason why it should be brought back?


For those involved in the RP area of the game faction standings acts as a sort of secondary standing. It is important for all recruits to have good standing with your faction as well as corps which may be needed for jump clones and you don't want them to have standings with your opposing factions. We can get all this from the api but that opens up a lot of information they may not want to give out, this sort of stuff is standard practice for 0.0 corps but not FW.

We have to compete with the main FW corp which is NPC automated recruiting. Our main intel channel is of course infested with spies and we don't have/need any serious corp assets. Our recruiting is much more open on every issue except for their standings with the NPC nations.


Second many of the RPers even if they don't actually RP tend to be proud of their standing with their related factions. It is something we work towards and focus on improving a lot, yet it doesn't actually do anything in game past 8.0 standing (1 time cosmos missions aside). In fact the only reward you get from running the FW complexes is standing.

Yes a part of this is we want to show off our pretty standings. Just as people want to show off pretty avatars or pretty corp logos on the side of their ships. We put a damn lot of work into those and now they are removed from the game, only way to see them is gonna be through 3rd party sites.


Finally Intel. Of course there is the opportunity for bounty hunters looking for specific people to find them through this (not sure how actually useful this is). Honestly I prefer ganks like this, the majority of high sec piracy is just focus on where the majority of players are and hunt any random there. Actually taking effort trying to find the person looking through their standings, history, locator agents and planning out a good gank I think is much better.

Also in low sec I find this acts as a pretty good intel tool. Guy with high amarr standings in minmatar mission system probably is here for a bad reason. Guy with good standings for Core complexions in system with a core complexion station might be in that station. Guy with no standings to any corps/factions at all is most likely a hauler/cyno alt. Yes it's free intel (sort of like free minerals) but it's no guarantee and it's mostly guess work and trying to think things out. Intel also isn't intrinsically a bad thing like a lot of people seem to think, intel with no work, no thought and definite answers is bad, but standings isn't that sort of intel.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.05.20 10:48:00 - [49]
 

Tbh CCP should just make it a option to allow people to see standings. Though I still think the change was good other then removing faction standings(due to FW recruitment).

dosperado
Denial of Service
Posted - 2011.05.20 11:51:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: dosperado on 20/05/2011 11:51:30
Put FACTION standings and CORP standings back into the Show info tab or this will be my last week in EVE after 8 years!

Nothing more to say

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.05.20 11:53:00 - [51]
 

Akita was right.

But I would be happy if we could simply see Faction standings for everything.

Agents obviously dont need to be displayed. And while a good case can be made for corp standings I can live without them just fine.

Faction standing are a must. Its a core part of the game.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.05.20 12:02:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: dosperado
Edited by: dosperado on 20/05/2011 11:51:30
Put FACTION standings and CORP standings back into the Show info tab or this will be my last week in EVE after 8 years!

Nothing more to say


Seriously this small of a change is going to make you rage quit? Sad really.

dosperado
Denial of Service
Posted - 2011.05.20 12:05:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: dosperado on 20/05/2011 12:07:49
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: dosperado
Edited by: dosperado on 20/05/2011 11:51:30
Put FACTION standings and CORP standings back into the Show info tab or this will be my last week in EVE after 8 years!

Nothing more to say


Seriously this small of a change is going to make you rage quit? Sad really.


Not so small if you have 2 factions on 10.0 and 20+ corps on 10.0.
Better remove the visibility of certs or certs in general...most useless stuff ever...

CCP also destroyed my Standing Push Service...I cant see the standings of my clients anymore...this really sucks.

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.05.20 12:09:00 - [54]
 

moments before down time i got the reason to look up somebodies standing and bullseyed his activities to a particular agent

my locators are putting him in adjacent systems while he runs mission
i have till mid june to make him directly one of the final victims of publicly visible agent standings

such kills will remain possible of course but will just take more trial account scouting n1 ccp gf gf

Aaron Honk
Posted - 2011.05.20 12:13:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Aaron Honk on 20/05/2011 12:13:40
C'mon CCP please put Faction and corp standings back in.

You finally removed the possibility to offer standing push services...and this really hurts.

Concubinia Scarlett
Posted - 2011.05.20 12:26:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Concubinia Scarlett on 20/05/2011 12:26:42
M spider sense is tingling about future character bazaar issues with people having standings so bad they cannot enter certain faction space, and conveniently forgetting to mention this / being unaware when selling the character.

ExclamationExclamation*THE PERSON BUYING CANNOT NOW CHECK!*ExclamationExclamation

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.05.20 13:47:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Indeed only allow the ability to see faction standings. Corp and Agent standings really aren't that important and just causes lag.



Also CCP since you seem to be in the mood of removing useless crap. Could you remove the 2min timer for posting? I believe we are safe from the "Audrey Bitoni" attacks now.


Its not a "small change" for many people. Remember this is a sandbox with many play styles.

It doesnt matter to me as much as it would have 2 years ago but its still more significant than for instance removing kill mail to my game experience.

For people who take warring factions to heart this stuff is a big deal.

Alaura Aquila
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.05.20 13:54:00 - [58]
 

I want to know why CCP is so silent on this, they must not give a **** and want to sweep this under the rug. This is so ****ing dumb on so many levels.

Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
Posted - 2011.05.20 14:00:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Darod Zyree on 20/05/2011 14:06:02
Dear DEV whoever, please offer some explanation as to why this change was done?

And if at all possible, have a discussion here with us to change it back and improve it somewhat.

Like others have mentioned, remove the long list of agents but keep NPC corp and faction standings.

Role-play and recruitment are heavily hit by this change.



Lucius Britannia
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.20 14:34:00 - [60]
 

+1

Agreed! Needs to be fixed!


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