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youthink
Posted - 2011.05.19 18:51:00 - [61]
 

*SNIPE!*
Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
Edited by: Imiarr Timshae on 19/05/2011 16:58:53
Originally by: Patch Notces
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Change this back please CCP, or make standings show publicly with preferences, just like certificates.

/Signed

Jennifer Nardieu
Posted - 2011.05.19 18:56:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Nardieu on 19/05/2011 19:01:54
Originally by: tekant
Edited by: tekant on 19/05/2011 17:19:22



What New release brought us ? Jumpdrive ships nerfed, agents nerfed, skills deleted, character's agent info deleted, fleet options nerfed. Last patches of CCP are all about nerf and removal. Since Tyrannis very few improvement done and progress is very slow. It took 6 month to improve PI interface. We are crying for better Blueprint icons for a year and finally done but not as required.

. Still not possible to distinguish different run numbers, research amount. I can create approx. 20 copies in each lab everyday. Hundreds of copy each different ME, PE and run numbers. We have already hangar limit for 920 items. We have too keep all copies in containers . Seperating originals from copies wasn't difficult part. When you sorted the hangar originals always come first and copies come after. difficult part is finding any copy or original with specific run ME numebers. or seperating reserched BPOs from unreserched BPOs

Blueprints icons could be made similar to ammunition icons. They would include ME PE numbers , similar to ammo icons size numbers.
Here example Drake Blueprint original with 35ME and 110PE Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
This is how should have done.

Im sure EVE developers dont play eve more than 30min everyday , If they would there are bunch of UI usability issues everwhere from fleet to PI interface and they would see those.


We loved this game for its complexity, Off course We like to see improved user interface , easy to control , logical approach etc.. but Looks like they prefer to simpfy game mechanic instead of improving playability. Why donít you go ahead and create EVE-Lite version?. Simple pew-pew game with one fire and one reload button.


CCP exceed Microsoftís success to create releases, patches and fixes. All their efforts divided between fixing bugs after changes and trying to simply game instead of adding new features. I wish they spend this effort to bring new features, instead of destroying old ones.






Your proposed BP solution is pants.

Just allow us to add columns to the item detail view that cover "runs" "me" "pe".

Simple. Then we can easily see at a glance what the situation is as well as sort them according to those values.

Who the hell wants to be fetching a magnifying glass to read tiny tiny numbers on a coloured background?? The colour change is awesome, the item detail view could be improved.

While you're at it CCP add a "damage" column too. :)

youthink
Posted - 2011.05.19 18:59:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu
While you're at it CCP add ... "meta" column too. :)


Seek and thou shall findWink

Jennifer Nardieu
Posted - 2011.05.19 19:01:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Nardieu on 19/05/2011 19:03:28
Originally by: youthink
Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu
While you're at it CCP add ... "meta" column too. :)


Seek and thou shall findWink

Ah my bad, was viewing my BP's in a can and right clicked the wrong bit of interface it seems :)

Then assumed the Item Detail view was the same across all. Thanks for the heads up.

Miral Vendar
Posted - 2011.05.19 19:17:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Tish Magev
Ok new skill book DOESN'T WORK


Requested mission BEFORE Security Connections skillbook, so no LP bonus was being applied

Got 61510 Loyalty Points

Injected Skill, added banked skillpoints so skill is at level 4

Requested another missions

61510 Loyalty Points!!

Where The F**k is my bonus from level 4 Security Connections.

cheers


THAT is a really GOOD question! We are waiting for a GOOD answer... Wink

GGP Hubert
Posted - 2011.05.19 19:25:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu
Edited by: Jennifer Nardieu on 19/05/2011 19:01:54
Originally by: tekant
Edited by: tekant on 19/05/2011 17:19:22



What New release brought us ? Jumpdrive ships nerfed, agents nerfed, skills deleted, character's agent info deleted, fleet options nerfed. Last patches of CCP are all about nerf and removal. Since Tyrannis very few improvement done and progress is very slow. It took 6 month to improve PI interface. We are crying for better Blueprint icons for a year and finally done but not as required.

. Still not possible to distinguish different run numbers, research amount. I can create approx. 20 copies in each lab everyday. Hundreds of copy each different ME, PE and run numbers. We have already hangar limit for 920 items. We have too keep all copies in containers . Seperating originals from copies wasn't difficult part. When you sorted the hangar originals always come first and copies come after. difficult part is finding any copy or original with specific run ME numebers. or seperating reserched BPOs from unreserched BPOs

Blueprints icons could be made similar to ammunition icons. They would include ME PE numbers , similar to ammo icons size numbers.
Here example Drake Blueprint original with 35ME and 110PE Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
This is how should have done.

Im sure EVE developers dont play eve more than 30min everyday , If they would there are bunch of UI usability issues everwhere from fleet to PI interface and they would see those.


We loved this game for its complexity, Off course We like to see improved user interface , easy to control , logical approach etc.. but Looks like they prefer to simpfy game mechanic instead of improving playability. Why donít you go ahead and create EVE-Lite version?. Simple pew-pew game with one fire and one reload button.


CCP exceed Microsoftís success to create releases, patches and fixes. All their efforts divided between fixing bugs after changes and trying to simply game instead of adding new features. I wish they spend this effort to bring new features, instead of destroying old ones.






Your proposed BP solution is pants.

Just allow us to add columns to the item detail view that cover "runs" "me" "pe".

Simple. Then we can easily see at a glance what the situation is as well as sort them according to those values.

Who the hell wants to be fetching a magnifying glass to read tiny tiny numbers on a coloured background?? The colour change is awesome, the item detail view could be improved.

While you're at it CCP add a "damage" column too. :)






Guy said "as same as ammo icons" If You are able to see "X" , "L", "S", "XL" letters on ammo icons then you can see ME PE numbers on BP icons too. otherwise I recomend you an eye exam



Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.05.19 19:36:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 19/05/2011 20:00:29
Originally by: Penny Ibramovic
The mission 'New Frontiers', given from a security agent, still has mining and courier elements.
from here
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Tabitha Comino
How do courier missions play into security agents? Some missions that have multiple parts such as Enemies Abound have courier runs in them. Will the courier mission still come up as it is not a secuirty mission but a distrobution mission?


The chain will depend on the first mission. So if the first mission is a kill mission, the chain will be distributed to kill agents.


edit: so you will still get them, but it should be based on the first mission.

gEM x
Posted - 2011.05.19 19:38:00 - [68]
 

a level one agent in 0.5 is still paying better than a level 1 agent in 0.9 right?

Di Mulle
Posted - 2011.05.19 19:40:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: tekant
Edited by: tekant on 19/05/2011 17:19:22



rant

. Still not possible to distinguish different run numbers, research amount. I can create approx. 20 copies in each lab everyday. Hundreds of copy each different ME, PE and run numbers. We have already hangar limit for 920 items. We have too keep all copies in containers . Seperating originals from copies wasn't difficult part. When you sorted the hangar originals always come first and copies come after. difficult part is finding any copy or original with specific run ME numebers. or seperating reserched BPOs from unreserched BPOs

Blueprints icons could be made similar to ammunition icons. They would include ME PE numbers , similar to ammo icons size numbers.
Here example Drake Blueprint original with 35ME and 110PE Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
This is how should have done.

rant




If you would pay attention to tons of previous discussions about this topic, you would know why this is next to impossible.

Siek Ormand
Posted - 2011.05.19 19:46:00 - [70]
 

Overall the changes aren't bad

I still seem to receiving encounter missions when running missions for distribution agents,unless Courier is considered going to a location and taking out a base with explosives?


Jennifer Nardieu
Posted - 2011.05.19 19:51:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Nardieu on 19/05/2011 19:58:46
Originally by: GGP Hubert
Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu
Edited by: Jennifer Nardieu on 19/05/2011 19:01:54
Originally by: tekant
Edited by: tekant on 19/05/2011 17:19:22



What New release brought us ? Jumpdrive ships nerfed, agents nerfed, skills deleted, character's agent info deleted, fleet options nerfed. Last patches of CCP are all about nerf and removal. Since Tyrannis very few improvement done and progress is very slow. It took 6 month to improve PI interface. We are crying for better Blueprint icons for a year and finally done but not as required.

. Still not possible to distinguish different run numbers, research amount. I can create approx. 20 copies in each lab everyday. Hundreds of copy each different ME, PE and run numbers. We have already hangar limit for 920 items. We have too keep all copies in containers . Seperating originals from copies wasn't difficult part. When you sorted the hangar originals always come first and copies come after. difficult part is finding any copy or original with specific run ME numebers. or seperating reserched BPOs from unreserched BPOs

Blueprints icons could be made similar to ammunition icons. They would include ME PE numbers , similar to ammo icons size numbers.
Here example Drake Blueprint original with 35ME and 110PE Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
This is how should have done.

Im sure EVE developers dont play eve more than 30min everyday , If they would there are bunch of UI usability issues everwhere from fleet to PI interface and they would see those.


We loved this game for its complexity, Off course We like to see improved user interface , easy to control , logical approach etc.. but Looks like they prefer to simpfy game mechanic instead of improving playability. Why donít you go ahead and create EVE-Lite version?. Simple pew-pew game with one fire and one reload button.


CCP exceed Microsoftís success to create releases, patches and fixes. All their efforts divided between fixing bugs after changes and trying to simply game instead of adding new features. I wish they spend this effort to bring new features, instead of destroying old ones.






Your proposed BP solution is pants.

Just allow us to add columns to the item detail view that cover "runs" "me" "pe".

Simple. Then we can easily see at a glance what the situation is as well as sort them according to those values.

Who the hell wants to be fetching a magnifying glass to read tiny tiny numbers on a coloured background?? The colour change is awesome, the item detail view could be improved.

While you're at it CCP add a "damage" column too. :)






Guy said "as same as ammo icons" If You are able to see "X" , "L", "S", "XL" letters on ammo icons then you can see ME PE numbers on BP icons too. otherwise I recomend you an eye exam





Guy's example sucks the big one.

If you want something unsortable and completely useless to anyone who does real production go right ahead get your icons with craptons of meaningless numbers over them.

Personally I would like to be able to sort, organise and use the information such as Runs, ME and PE. Not just look at it uglificating my hanger (yeah thats right I just invented a word :)).

Bong Ki
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:02:00 - [72]
 

Gainard posted, "It should be duely noted that the injection of ISK into the game comes only from Missions. Correct me if I am wrong. As to burning those ISK we all know how that works..."

Actually, most of the "injection of ISK into the game" comes only from GTCs. Bought with real money by "PVPers" who have no other source of in-game income.

I'm curious as to when this is going to get nerfedTwisted Evil

As for the patch, capital achievement, mush on!

Shania L'monde
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:05:00 - [73]
 

I would also like to voice my opposition to the removal of the ability to view corps, npcs and players standings, this is a very importaint tool that is used by virtually everyone.

Who thought removing this was a good idea? were they living in a box at the time?

PvPers have their epeen waving on killboards, mission runners have it on their standings page.

Knowing who is a regular player, who is a log in hardly ever alt is importaint info when recruiting, as is knowing the alliegance of the new recruit.


gEM x
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:11:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: gEM x on 19/05/2011 20:12:15
the standings is bs i should be able to see the standings of a person towards any faction or corporation whom i have good standing with or better. i cant even see the standings of a person to my own faction - dumb.

Mara Villoso
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:11:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Mara Villoso on 19/05/2011 20:13:33
Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu
Personally I would like to be able to sort, organise and use the information such as Runs, ME and PE. Not just look at it uglificating my hanger (yeah thats right I just invented a word :)).


Click the Science and Industry tab on the left hand side of the UI. Click Blueprints or Corp Blueprints. You can sort by: ME, PE, Copy/Original, Runs. You can start jobs from there as well. The main purpose the icon change serves is picking the bpo/bpc out of a hangar/can and then moving them. If you don't actually need to move something (which is usually out of a can or a lab), you need never use anything but the Science and Industry interface. This is esp. useful at a distance.

My only complaint is that you have to select the visual displays instead of just the list. I wish there was an icon on the list display just like there are for faction/t2.

Luna Steel
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:32:00 - [76]
 

Dear Eve Team

Awesome... after just 8 years we got different icons for BPO and BPC - great job. However, could you please change the color of the BPC to something a bit darker - its no joke but my eyes hurt looking at a hangar full of allmost white icons

Example-of-a-invention-hangar-that-hurts-my-eyes

Amalger
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:47:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Mark Foley
Originally by: Iella Wesirri
Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
Edited by: Imiarr Timshae on 19/05/2011 16:58:53
Originally by: Patch Notces
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Change this back please CCP, or make standings show publicly with preferences, just like certificates.


/signed


/signed


/Signed

And it shouldn't be certificates or anything else, it should just be rolled back - period.

You are ruining lots of players' careers.

The Huffarunier
Gallente
The Real OC
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:48:00 - [78]
 

Duvolle Labs has no Level 4 combat agent. But has 4 level 4 distribution agents. I'd like to see at least ONE combat agent. Due to its location I think Maire would be the best combat one...

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:48:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 19/05/2011 21:20:47
Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 19/05/2011 20:49:07
The removal of standings from the show info page is unecessary and crippling to corporations that need to check for standings like mission running corps, industry corps with a POS and faction warfare corps.

I'm not in a corp like one of the above, but if showing all of a person's standings puts too much load on the server then just make the Relationship tab the first one so that people stop always accidently clicking on Standings and loading the whole list. Instead, misclicking will only load the Relationship tab and people that need to check standings still have the option to do so.

In the devblog, you claim that it was removed because some people are "stalking" on others. Eve is exactly about that and removing a VERY useful source of intel for the wrong reason is just hurting the game.


edit: fixed a typo
Second edit: Intentional clicks on the standings tab are probably less than 1% of all the times it happens. Removing intel gathering features (guess what, one of eve's unique features is the importance of good intel) from the game because of bad UI design is just so bad I don't even know where to begin.

mkint
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:48:00 - [80]
 

Not sure how I feel about this patch. Don't have a lot of confidence in CCP in general, so I expect every one of these changes to be bad, or at best a waste of time.

1) when you create a new fleet, you're taken to the fleet finder, not to your fleet. If I just created a fleet, why in the hell would I want to find a different fleet?

2) still no response as to WHY you removed the standings tabs. Between feedback in help chat and the forums, it's a resoundingly unpopular change and no dev discussion on why the change was made, or what alternative ideas there are to solve any perceived problems it caused. And it wasn't put in the patch notes either. When I saw it wasn't in the patch notes I thought "wow, I'm gonna compliment CCP on the forums for listening to their users and stopped that change." But nope, CCP doesn't listen to it's users. They're gonna make the game suck worse regardless of what their paying customers have to say.

Still not sure how I feel about the agent changes, but I have the feeling people are getting screwed somehow. CCP likes to screw people over, especially if they can obfuscate it to make it look like they are "improving" things. Just waiting for the shoe to drop.

I want to say good things, I really really do, but every single patch I find myself looking for how CCP has either screwed something up or screwed people over and try to hide it. I wish CCP didn't try to screw people over on purpose all the time so I wouldn't have to try to look for it with every patch.

Morar Santee
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:56:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 19/05/2011 20:49:07
The removal of standings from the show info page is unecessary and crippling to corporations that need to check for standings like mission running corps, industry corps with a POS and faction warfare corps.

I'm not in a corp like one of the above, but if showing all of a person's standings puts too much load on the server then just make the Relationship tab the first one so that people stop always accidently clicking on Standings and loading the whole list. Instead, misclicking will only load the Relationship tab and people that need to check standings still have the option to do so.

In the devblog, you claim that it was removed because some people are "stalking" on others. Eve is exactly about that and removing a VERY useful source of intel for the wrong reason is just hurting the game.


edit: fixed a typo


That's actually a very nice idea to reduce server load.

And if this feature was really removed because of "stalking", I'll laugh myself to death. Not even kidding. Maybe we should remove locator agents, too. I mean, ****, people are using them to stalk each other!!! Not to mention that the standings list makes no difference whatsoever in this regard. You'll simply run two traces instead of one. Target still in space in the same system after 20 minutes? Evemaps says nice agent in 2 jumps vicinity? Bingo, missioning. How the hell does that require the standings list in any way?

Seriously..

GGP Hubert
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:59:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: GGP Hubert on 19/05/2011 21:00:44
Originally by: CCP Soundwave devblog

The show info page won't show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other peopleFs standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.



So stalking is bad. Then No more Locator agents. LOcator agents bad too


Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:21:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: mkint
And it wasn't put in the patch notes either. When I saw it wasn't in the patch notes I thought "wow, I'm gonna compliment CCP on the forums for listening to their users and stopped that change."


Originally by: patch notes
User Interface
  • The scroll ...
  • When holding down Ďaltí,...
  • The Fleet History...
  • Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


mkint
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:29:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: mkint
And it wasn't put in the patch notes either. When I saw it wasn't in the patch notes I thought "wow, I'm gonna compliment CCP on the forums for listening to their users and stopped that change."


Originally by: patch notes
User Interface
  • The scroll ...
  • When holding down Ďaltí,...
  • The Fleet History...
  • Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.




lol, you're right. However it only reinforces my cynicism rather than abates it. Now if I think there might be something good in a patch, I must be mistaken.

Davo OHno
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:32:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: youthink
*SNIPE!*
Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
Edited by: Imiarr Timshae on 19/05/2011 16:58:53
Originally by: Patch Notces
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Change this back please CCP, or make standings show publicly with preferences, just like certificates.

/Signed



Considering how much conversation there was in the thread prior to this change, I am shocked (although perhaps shouldn't be from the comments people are making) that you went ahead with the change regardless.

Do you actually hire employees at CCP without doing background checks, or following up references? If so, then I need to submit my resume. Cause I know you would find my skills far better than anyone elses. Why, you ask? Cause I said so. That seems to be enough.

So how do we check standings now? Need their full API. Yeah right.

/signed

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:36:00 - [86]
 

Hedion University went from 3 level 4 agents with mixed missions to now only courier agents, as all agents were Advisory.

I'm disappointed that I'm being forced to move to another corp, likely in a busier system, and losing a mix of missions. Devoid was a fairly quiet region, and the Riavayed system was only populated by ice miners (it has 2 ice fields).

Agent divisions need to be looked at.

litwol
Minmatar
LiTWoL Sensei Dojo Bunnies
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:41:00 - [87]
 

I'm not sure i understand the patch description regarding agent access and standings.

Could some one please answer in plain: Do i need to grind faction/corp standings to be able to access agents higher than lvl 1, for example running lvl 4 missions right away with any corp from any faction..?

mkint
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:44:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: litwol
I'm not sure i understand the patch description regarding agent access and standings.

Could some one please answer in plain: Do i need to grind faction/corp standings to be able to access agents higher than lvl 1, for example running lvl 4 missions right away with any corp from any faction..?


You need standings for agents as though they were Q-20, but get paid as though they were Q20. You don't get free access to all agents, though they are significantly easier to access.

John Zorg
Caldari
The Damned Legion
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:44:00 - [89]
 

What happened to the 30k m3 jump bridge fuel capacity? Yet another change stated and we might see it in 2 years :S

ItsmeHcK1
Lucifer's Hammer
Burn Away
Posted - 2011.05.19 22:07:00 - [90]
 

Cloaky T3's can no longer use a black ops bridge.
What gives? :(


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