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Waaaaaagggh
Posted - 2011.05.19 04:41:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 19/05/2011 14:05:34
Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 19/05/2011 14:04:30
Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 19/05/2011 05:23:05
So I'm kinda new to missioning so bear with me.

Lvl 4's are mostly done in 3 ships:

CNR: 700 DPS, Slow
Golem: 900 DPS, Slow (1100 dps with rage torps, but doesn't seem like anyone uses rage)
Tengu: 700 DPS, Fast

Let's add an alt trained w/ a noctis who can salv into this hypothetical situation.

EDIT: This line above needs to be made bigger Confused I'm strictly talking about blitzing vs looting everything with alt (continuing to mission while alt salvs)
So there's no need to compare blitzing vs switching ships to salv.

Lets say I get a conversion rate of 3000 isk/lp (seems like a decent average for statistical purposes) Yes once I start I will be using a well researched spreadsheet to find the best items to convert.

We're doing this in Caldari space (loot not as good as Amarr), but closer to trade hubs.

So with these conditions, is it more lucrative to blitz level 4's or to kill all the npc's and use the alt to salv for each of the three commonly used ships?

I have read through threads like this one. I don't want to compare to those kind of dedication and conditions (low sec, 5000 isk/lp ShockedShocked). We are talking strictly high sec ughing with level 4's being done in those three common ship types.

Also based off of Kerfira's threads here and the blitz stats here it seems like blitzing makes more isk/hour...

Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.19 05:05:00 - [2]
 

In pretty much every case you will make better use of your time by running another mission (blitzing or not, whatever's best for the individual mission) instead of salvaging and looting.

That's assuming your goal is to maximize isk/hour, that is.

Gordun Gecko
Posted - 2011.05.19 05:21:00 - [3]
 

Why not do both, blitz the mission AND get the salvage/loot?

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1348168

There is a chat channel in-game called "free wrecks" (without the quotes), where mission runners and salvagers can meet up to join forces. Mission Runners can blitz missions and then dock up at the station and trade a bookmark to the wrecks to the salvager (or simply jettison it at a planet/moon/sun and "abandon" the can so the salvager can grab it). You can specify how you want to split things up (50/50 split of salvage and/or loot).

The players who want to salvage get some loot and salvage, and the mission runners can jump right into the next mission without losing time to loot and salvage. Everyone wins.

Waaaaaagggh
Posted - 2011.05.19 05:22:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mintala Arana
In pretty much every case you will make better use of your time by running another mission (blitzing or not, whatever's best for the individual mission) instead of salvaging and looting.

That's assuming your goal is to maximize isk/hour, that is.


in this hypothetical situation... since there's a salv alt w/ noctis... no time is wasted salving vs having to switch ships and come back to salv.

So I'm strictly talking about blitzing vs looting everything with alt (continuing to mission while alt salvs)

Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
Posted - 2011.05.19 05:28:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Herrring on 19/05/2011 05:30:56
I blitz when I do missions in low/null with high isk/lp corps(like pirate factions)

I haven't missioned in high sec for a very long time, but in high sec, its just better to farm(as in don't complete the mission as long as possible) multiple blockades, gone berserk, etc for the bounties.

even if you do find a corp with high isk/lp convertion in high sec, the amount of lp per mission is usually so low that it is not worth blitzing.

Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.19 06:46:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Herrring
even if you do find a corp with high isk/lp convertion in high sec, the amount of lp per mission is usually so low that it is not worth blitzing.


This. In Hi-Sec, mission runners should loot/salvage often. But know your opponent and what they are likely to drop and salvage into. If it's vs. a faction with good loot/salvage [EoM, Drones, Blood Raiders], then clean it out. If it's not [Guristas, Mercs, Angel], then blitz and move on.

Min/Max is the key here. What will be worth more, another mission or the loot/salvage from the previous one. Whichever is more is what you do.

Kiwis23
Posted - 2011.05.19 07:27:00 - [7]
 

Personally I blitz only missions that are not worth salvaging.
I own main account with tengu, and an alt with noctis. And a computer with 2 monitors.
So i set up one account per monitor, and salvage when have nothing to do on main account. It does take some time while you kill BS with tengu, so use that time push few buttons on alt, and salvage and collect drop. Why not to use alt for something useful if you have one?

I haven't been playing actively for few months now, and don't really know if they really decreased salvage and drop rates as few people said here on forums.

Anyway. IF you can find LP exchange with 3k isk per LP, i would advice to blitz it. I found only 1800 isk/LP way by myself in caldari space, but that's probably because i do missions for not very popular corporation.

p.s. there is an update coming today that will influence missions greatly. So all this my advice may be useless.

Val Karan
Posted - 2011.05.19 08:40:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Val Karan on 19/05/2011 08:42:06
Edited by: Val Karan on 19/05/2011 08:41:23
Originally by: Gordun Gecko
Why not do both, blitz the mission AND get the salvage/loot?
The players who want to salvage get some loot and salvage, and the mission runners can jump right into the next mission without losing time to loot and salvage. Everyone wins.
while there is a time gain here, already reflected in the time spent docking, warping to the site and back again etc...

not when you are blitzing. If you effectively blitz, you will not have many wrecks to loot and salvage. To a point where adding a 3rd party salvager would decrease your income.

also: noctis really cuts down time spent salvaging for all the non-blitzing mission runners or missions you just outright can't blitz. Its ridiculous, i wonder why anyone would still be using marauders to "salvage as you go". Rather have 1 tractor beam to pick up mission loot and thats it.

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2011.05.19 10:03:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2011 10:10:50
Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2011 10:07:22
I usually salvage/loot everything in the second EVE window, usually in the previous deadspace pocket. That way my salvaging alt finishes not long after the mission is finished and is ready to loot the next one. Looting alt does not need to get to station after each mission until the cargo is full (noctis has about 3k with 3 expanders) so there is no time lost on waiting it warping to station and back.

I have made some fast calculations and it seems that I would do about the same amount of isk if I blitzed everything.

However, salvage and loot (as minerals) are much faster to sell than LP stuff so I prefer looting. That way I always have enough money from missioning, without having to bother with LP - until I gather enough for a big enough sum to bother with the process of buying stuff for LP and other items, hauling to where it sells at all and undercutting all the time.

Oh and another thing - this practice is only applicable to high sec, obviously. if you're missioning in low sec, it's blitz only since your dps is hampered by unscannable fit and the noctis would give away your location.

Deerin
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.19 10:10:00 - [10]
 

Train that alt to fly a mission ship too and blitz with both of them. Salvaging and looting is boring.

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2011.05.19 10:18:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Deerin
Train that alt to fly a mission ship too and blitz with both of them. Salvaging and looting is boring.

I am planning to add some artillery support to kill those BS faster but only so I could loot sooner :) I currently use 3rd char as a fleet booster, and since it's not really necessary I could loot or dps with it instead...

Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
Posted - 2011.05.19 10:19:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe


Oh and another thing - this practice is only applicable to high sec, obviously. if you're missioning in low sec, it's blitz only since your dps is hampered by unscannable fit and the noctis would give away your location.


You can use tractor beam amplified sub lokis for unprobable mini noctis.

I almost brought my loki pilot to curse when doing angel missions because I started getting 4 minmatar assaults at once.

And those missions give out crappy profits if you don't loot.

Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.05.19 10:23:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tore Smith on 19/05/2011 11:15:27
Originally by: Deerin
Train that alt to fly a mission ship too and blitz with both of them. Salvaging and looting is boring.


while i also think that isk-wise this is still a good approach, i have to say though that looting for some people, like me, actually is satisfying. i normally run two missions parallel but will decline anti-faction ones. so sometimes the alt hops in a noctis and quite often finds meta4 guns or launchers or the very lucrative meta dcus that make good isk.

btw, lp conversion is such a drag that i rather make money with bounties by optimizing gank setups for each mission.


Holdout
Posted - 2011.05.19 13:58:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Deerin
Train that alt to fly a mission ship too and blitz with both of them. Salvaging and looting is boring.


This.


 

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