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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.18 13:54:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 18/05/2011 22:53:09
Seriously people, the "eve is being dumbed down crowd" is getting really old. Quit your crying, grow up, and recognize that the game is improving.

Removing learning skills did NOT dumb down eve, eve was dumbed down when they were added. Before LS were removed, your first 81 days were pre-determined, no thinking required, now you have to DECIDE on day 1 what you'll do.

Removing mission divisions which had NO effect on the game is a good thing.

Changing the scanning system to make it so that you didn't hit scan and walk away for 6-10 minutes and replacing it with a system where you actually MOVE the probes and "triangulate" your target makes one have to THINK.

Removing Jump Bridge access for ships with Jump drives didn't dumb it down, in fact it made eve a lot ****ing harder.

So where is the dumbing down? Please GTFO you damn cry babies go back to your mom's teets and ask for your milk, you make me sick,

AG

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.05.18 13:57:00 - [2]
 

+1 and in before flame

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.05.18 13:57:00 - [3]
 

+1

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:00:00 - [4]
 

Thanks for the +1 guys

I intend to reply to all the cries that are posted here, and for longer than the devs did their thread.

I love and hate eve, the game drives me mad because things like changing font size have been on the horizon for years, and new portraits cut in line. I hate eve less than all other games, so I stay here. I do feel CCP has stayed consistent in building a marvelous universe for us to rob, cheat and steal the hell out of each other.

Hired Assasin
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:02:00 - [5]
 

Hahahahah the tears in this thread are great!!

Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:06:00 - [6]
 

not sure its improving overall to be honest - but these changes actually make sense...

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
So where is the dumbing down?
They've fixed most of the annoying stuff, so now people have to find dumber and dumber things to complain about…


Does that count? Wink

+1

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:08:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
So where is the dumbing down?
They've fixed most of the annoying stuff, so now people have to find dumber and dumber things to complain about…


Does that count? Wink

+1


I stand corrected, I apologize to the trolls, it does appear Tippia is right, the dumbing down of the trolls is getting out of hand!

best
AG

Neamus
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:09:00 - [9]
 

Meh, bits of eve are slowly improving while other bits seem to be getting worse. To say that the whole game is improving BECAUSE OF MISSIONS and that everyone should shut-up and stop whining. Mmm no, EvE is a good game but overall there's still a hell of allot of work that needs to be done.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:10:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
not sure its improving overall to be honest - but these changes actually make sense...

Now Hermosa, that is a valid comment, but it is assuredly not a dumbing down.

Tobiaz
Spacerats
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:11:00 - [11]
 

OP's corp history puts him at september 2008. 'nuff said Rolling Eyes

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:12:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Lidia Prince on 18/05/2011 14:12:06
-1, bro. I have so much fun reading all those old*** QQ threads, it just won't be the same without them. Let them cry, and let them do that as hard as they can.

Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:13:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
not sure its improving overall to be honest - but these changes actually make sense...

Now Hermosa, that is a valid comment, but it is assuredly not a dumbing down.


no agree, as i said i think these changes are good, why would ppl complain about making things less complicated? i just dont understand...

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:14:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Meh, bits of eve are slowly improving while other bits seem to be getting worse. To say that the whole game is improving BECAUSE OF MISSIONS and that everyone should shut-up and stop whining. Mmm no, EvE is a good game but overall there's still a hell of allot of work that needs to be done.


Neamus,

Please, that isn't the statement I made, please be more careful with your replies. My claim was eve isn't getting dumbed down. Missions changing does make eve better, does it make it better in ways I want? No I quit missions over 18 months ago, but I can appreciate it changing. There is so much to be done, it boggles my mind, and I wonder how CCP will ever NOT be behind given they dont multitask well.

Best
AG

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
not sure its improving overall to be honest - but these changes actually make sense...

Now Hermosa, that is a valid comment, but it is assuredly not a dumbing down.


no agree, as i said i think these changes are good, why would ppl complain about making things less complicated? i just dont understand...


Becoming less complicated isn't necessarily good, losing arbitrary complication is nearly always good. The concern is "dumbing down", imagine Autopilot + WTZ, that would make it so people could NOT have to think and just jump wherever they want and not fear, removing a lot of eve flavour. WTZ could be accused of dumbing down, but I think most understand it was a practical need at the time.

Best
AG

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:17:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
why would ppl complain about making things less complicated? i just dont understand...
Because "they did it the hard way" usually. The problem is that "complex" and "hard", while superficially similar, are rather different things, and it's easy to forget this.

As a result, whenever complexity is removed, it's just as easy to see this as difficulty being removed, even when that's not what's happening.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:19:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Tobiaz
OP's corp history puts him at september 2008. 'nuff said Rolling Eyes


Tobiaz,

You are correct, this toon is September 2008, which is of course how long I've played eve ... lol.

So instead of replying with an actual dumbing down, you'd like to criticize how old this toon is?

I say nothing said.


McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:28:00 - [18]
 

ok, how about this:

CCP develops Incarna because they want to lure new players in. What they dont realize is that the new players will quit as soon as they realize that the only full body avatar "interaction" happens in a 10x10 room where you basically just hang out (alone). They would have come anyway if they were interested in spaceships instead of avatars.

Many time and ressources have flown into this which could have been spent on developing something related to the actual game. The argument "we will add and improve to the Incarna experience" doesnt count because there is TONS of content that needs to be improved/iterated and on which they didnt even start.

To expect that Incarna will be developed well beyond where it is now is extremely naive. Except you know exactly that you will be still playing in 10+ years. The progression with which CCP is reworking old contect is mind numbingly slow and most players wont see the the promised improvements because they have stopped playing long long ago.

So how is Eve becoming better in regard to this development?

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:31:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: McRoll
ok, how about this:

CCP develops Incarna because they want to lure new players in. What they dont realize is that the new players will quit as soon as they realize that the only full body avatar "interaction" happens in a 10x10 room where you basically just hang out (alone). They would have come anyway if they were interested in spaceships instead of avatars.

Many time and ressources have flown into this which could have been spent on developing something related to the actual game. The argument "we will add and improve to the Incarna experience" doesnt count because there is TONS of content that needs to be improved/iterated and on which they didnt even start.

To expect that Incarna will be developed well beyond where it is now is extremely naive. Except you know exactly that you will be still playing in 10+ years. The progression with which CCP is reworking old contect is mind numbingly slow and most players wont see the the promised improvements because they have stopped playing long long ago.

So how is Eve becoming better in regard to this development?


Great concerns, however that isn't dumbing eve down. I think eve not doing a rolling development on their game is a major issue, they shelve **** until there is so much mold on it, that they can't ignore it. Incarna will be a disaster unless they have something for people to ACTUALLY do, however that isn't currently making eve worse, nor is it dumbing eve down.
Best
AG

Foundation Vox
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:48:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: McRoll
To expect that Incarna will be developed well beyond where it is now is extremely naive.


Really. They are going to wrap up incarna with captain's quarters. Yep. (Hey! Sarcasm!) Why don't you add that the other MMOs they are developing are the ones they are really worried about and how EVE is just a means to get capital for those new games. EVE is doomed etc. Come on man. Dig Deep!

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:58:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Seriously people, the "eve is being dumbed down crowd" is getting really old. Quite your crying, grow up, and recognize that the game is improving.

Removing learning skills did NOT dumb down eve, eve was dumbed down when they were added. Before LS were removed, your first 81 days were pre-determined, no thinking required, now you have to DECIDE on day 1 what you'll do.

Removing mission divisions which had NO effect on the game is a good thing.

Changing the scanning system to make it so that you didn't hit scan and walk away for 6-10 minutes and replacing it with a system where you actually MOVE the probes and "triangulate" your target makes one have to THINK.

Removing Jump Bridge access for ships with Jump drives didn't dumb it down, in fact it made eve a lot ****ing harder.

So where is the dumbing down? Please GTFO you damn cry babies go back to your mom's teets and ask for your milk, you make me sick,

AG


Disagree. Proof of "Dumbed down" = Drake.

Nuff said. The downward spiral started there and its been heading downhill ever since.

/thread

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:00:00 - [22]
 

perhaps eve needs to be streamlined and corporate management skills have to go...

then all missile skills should become one MISSILE operation

all guns should be merged together into GUN TIER, GUN DAMAGE

also all minerals and materials are replaced with gold.

and eve needs to accommodate X-box controller pad controls.

Seriously, this is what they are doing to all major game series. Following that eve could also be ported to iSmartPhone. Tilt sideway to turn, double tap for a missile, shake for barrel roll.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:05:00 - [23]
 


Lol, look. The thing that irks me off and keeps me saying that the mission change is dumbing EVE down is because the reasoning behind it. If they think agents where complex then I fear whats going to be axed(made less complex) next.
It was a very simple concept once you used your head a very very tiny little bit. And I tell you when I started I ran from agent to agent to agent, all different divisions all different levels (as far as I could access them) until I either got told how to best run them or I started reading the forums. Once I did I got a (temporarily) direction, something to aim for. Without that you have a problem in EVE.

Anyway, they nerf agents. Make them more simpler and that scares the frakk out of me. Because like I said if they think agents where complex how are they ever going to revamp mining? Because that's going to get ""complex"" if they would make it more appealing since you cannot dumb it anymore down then it already is, cept for allowing macro's and bots.Rolling Eyes And they cannot make it more complex because it is one of the very few things you can always do, when you just start out or all left alone with just a few isk in your pocket to make isk.

Maybe I think/ feel that removing simple obstacles is dumbing things down. At least I had no problem with them.

Ah, fekk this. Nothing can be done now anyway, its in the pipe.
HF. o/


Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:21:00 - [24]
 

Are CCP paying you in cash or favours otherwise to big up their product at every turn in this forum?


Beckett Firesnake
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:23:00 - [25]
 

I agree It is cool to see this game advance in the good direction

Kronossan
Bellum Esca
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:43:00 - [26]
 

I'll decide if I think these changes are for the better myself, thank you.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.05.18 16:06:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Abrazzar on 18/05/2011 16:08:31
Instead of making something interesting and exciting with agent divisions, they just throw them away.

This is testament to a failure in game design, not to a game getting better.

Edit: Next step will be getting rid of NPC corps and amalgamating them into factions as statistics have shown people having difficulties associating corporations with factions and corporations don't have a game play relevant effect, so keeping them is just a waste of database space.

cpu939
Gallente
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.05.18 16:39:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Seriously people, the "eve is being dumbed down crowd" is getting really old. Quite your crying, grow up, and recognize that the game is improving.

Removing learning skills did NOT dumb down eve, eve was dumbed down when they were added. Before LS were removed, your first 81 days were pre-determined, no thinking required, now you have to DECIDE on day 1 what you'll do.

Removing mission divisions which had NO effect on the game is a good thing.

Changing the scanning system to make it so that you didn't hit scan and walk away for 6-10 minutes and replacing it with a system where you actually MOVE the probes and "triangulate" your target makes one have to THINK.

Removing Jump Bridge access for ships with Jump drives didn't dumb it down, in fact it made eve a lot ****ing harder.

So where is the dumbing down? Please GTFO you damn cry babies go back to your mom's teets and ask for your milk, you make me sick,

AG


I will +1 this

but the probing is easer now the 1st probe system had you triangulate by warping to areas and dropping probes decreasing the au range of the probes till you got a hit

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.18 16:48:00 - [29]
 

I have to take a minute here to point out....

No one in EvE can possibly be maxed out. Unless you have multple toons with 50msp+ you have not done it all in EvE.

Complaining about CCP not releasing new "real" content is kind of wasting your breath IMHO.

There are a lot of small fixes the game needs, but I took notes...

1. CCP goes public that they have a new dev dedicated to killing off bots.
2. Server population goes down.
3. People who were complaining about fleet lag stop complaining.

It cant possibly be that people were botting to pay for large blobs to maintain sov??? Lol. Busted.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2011.05.18 16:55:00 - [30]
 

One more thing to say. It doesn't matter how you look at the coming changes, the number of skills you can learn in EVE is declining. Some like the probing skills have barely no meaning at all anymore.

Don't tell me CCP is not dumbing EVE down with this.
Smile


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