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Test Build
Posted - 2011.05.17 05:23:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Test Build on 18/05/2011 07:11:07
Edited by: Test Build on 17/05/2011 05:24:52
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I have mostly lvl 5 Mission running skills and there's a lot of SP tied up in there.
Since I'm now fulltime WH whoring, it's like free SP!

I'm fkin stoked. GO GO 3x Racial Cruiser 5!!

I haven't done the maths but I suspect there might be another BS 5 in there too.

For gods sake..so I added up wrong. 1.5 Mill.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.17 06:20:00 - [2]
 

Its true - I've been STRONGLY considering doing that myself now that I've moved into WH space full time. But just in case, I think maybe I'll keep some socials. :)

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.05.17 06:29:00 - [3]
 

TBH your best bet is just not to spend it. SP is easy to acquire, but large chunks of it that can be put into anything at any time are not. It's nice to have that buffer on you the next time you realize that you need a skill at lvl 4 to use some mod, or that you need a quick lvl 5 skill to move the other half of the ships out of an unsuspecting WH corps' hangars YARRRR!!

Test Build
Posted - 2011.05.17 06:36:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Test Build on 17/05/2011 06:37:59
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Its true - I've been STRONGLY considering doing that myself now that I've moved into WH space full time. But just in case, I think maybe I'll keep some socials. :)


My understanding is that only the XYZ connections skills are getting refunded.
So like Social, Negotiation, Connections, Diplomacy won't be getting refunded.

Another nail in the coffin for Charisma based skills.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.05.17 07:09:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
TBH your best bet is just not to spend it.

Indeed.

I have been training the advanced connection skills ever since I noticed their dissapearence on Sisi. I also still got all the skill points from the Learning skill unallocated.

Maybe I will instant train titan skill to level 5, or more likely, wait until a new and really awesome skill is introduced and instant train that.

Maybe CCP should allow you to train directly to the unallocated pool... just a thought.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2011.05.17 07:22:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Maybe I will instant train titan skill to level 5...

No, you will not...

The 7 skills removed are all rank 1, so you'll only be able to train a Titan skill 7/16th of the way as the Titan skills are rank 16.

Cool

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:09:00 - [7]
 

Still got all the reimbursed skill points from the Learning and Advanced Learning skills... Maybe you missed that part.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:11:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 17/05/2011 08:12:40

I am fairly happy about it, but I would like my damn remap back :p Spent one just to get all social skills up to V, and a couple of leadership skills, but wouldn't have if I'd known about this change.

Anyways, it's 310.919 skill points per old connection skill at V. The new connection skills are rank 2, so 621.838, and my guess is mission runners will want at least the security connections skill.

So, 7*310.919-621.838 = 1.554.595 left over if they were all trained to V (like I did). 1,5M SP is nice chunk to save for a rainy day.

The OP will obviously have the full 2.176.433 left over. :)

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:24:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Its true - I've been STRONGLY considering doing that myself now that I've moved into WH space full time. But just in case, I think maybe I'll keep some socials. :)


Well you could keep them at level 4. That way you get 80% of your SP back, but you'll maintain 93% of your mission reward (and you can always retrain them to 5 if you start seriously missioning again)

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:28:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
if you start seriously missioning again


This will not happen, I think.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:56:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Malcanis
if you start seriously missioning again


This will not happen, I think.


Well then the logical course of action is obvious. SP employed in skills you will definitely use now are far more useful than SP in skills you definitely won't use now, and probably wont use for the indefinate future.

Surely I dont really have to explain this to the finest min-maxer in ships and modules? Wink

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.05.17 09:11:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Still got all the reimbursed skill points from the Learning and Advanced Learning skills... Maybe you missed that part.


With this kind of a hoarding problem, I'd hate to see your hanger. Dude, your SP does you 0 good if you never use it.

Gillaboo
Posted - 2011.05.17 11:23:00 - [13]
 

More likely people will spend the Skillpoints to fly Hulks and, T3 cruisers.

Happened with Learning skills, now there's a huge lack of miners what with all the systematic bot-banning that began at FanFest earlier this year.

Keep flyin' !

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2011.05.17 13:10:00 - [14]
 

My carebear has pretty much maxed connection skills. I'll be putting the sp elsewhere since I'm remapped for charisma anyway atm.

Srioghal moDhream
Posted - 2011.05.17 13:36:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Nerror theTerror
Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 17/05/2011 08:12:40

I am fairly happy about it, but I would like my damn remap back :p Spent one just to get all social skills up to V, and a couple of leadership skills, but wouldn't have if I'd known about this change.

Anyways, it's 310.919 skill points per old connection skill at V. The new connection skills are rank 2, so 621.838, and my guess is mission runners will want at least the security connections skill.

So, 7*310.919-621.838 = 1.554.595 left over if they were all trained to V (like I did). 1,5M SP is nice chunk to save for a rainy day.

The OP will obviously have the full 2.176.433 left over. :)


Anyone else confused by this math?
Rank 1 skill takes 256000 sp to level V
Rank 2 skill takes 512000 sp to level V

so 7 x 256k = 1792k
3 x 512k = 1536k
leaving you 256k
The extra connection skill.

So the most you can get back us 1.8 mill and if will cost you 1.5mill if you want those skills back to V.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:29:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Nerror theTerror on 17/05/2011 15:29:41

Hah whoops you're right. I was adding the numbers up instead of actually checking it. Embarassed

It's of course the 256k.

Liadan Khanum
Gallente
Dragon Armed Mercenary Escort Squadron
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:34:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Liadan Khanum on 17/05/2011 15:34:46
Originally by: Srioghal moDhream

Anyone else confused by this math?
Rank 1 skill takes 256000 sp to level V
Rank 2 skill takes 512000 sp to level V

so 7 x 256k = 1792k
3 x 512k = 1536k
leaving you 256k
The extra connection skill.

So the most you can get back us 1.8 mill and if will cost you 1.5mill if you want those skills back to V.


If you want all the connections skills you are correct.

But if all you want to do is run "Combat" missions you only need the one security skill. The others only affect courier and mining missions. I will instantly train to level V in security, but keep the 5x rank 1 level V SP in the bank for emergencies.

Just like I used my learning skill refund to quickly train up some stuff to better do incursions when they first came out. The other connections skills will go onto my todo list, but at the bottom.

Phizban
Posted - 2011.05.17 17:46:00 - [18]
 

I don't know where to spend my SP!

Everyone please tell me what to do. I am incapable of independant thought.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:00:00 - [19]
 

right click on my name and click "Give SP to..." :)

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:35:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
or that you need a quick lvl 5 skill to move the other half of the ships out of an unsuspecting WH corps' hangars YARRRR!!


Twisted Evil

Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.17 20:44:00 - [21]
 

How many people do you really think had all seven of these up to lvl 5 since that would've been a pretty huge chunk of wasted training time for the vast majority? I have all 7 at lvl 4 so that's a whole 316,785 sp I'll be getting, whoopty-do. Not even enough to get one of the new skills up to lvl 5. I'd imagine that most people are in the same boat.

The real question is how dirt cheap do you think the new skills will be, since it looks like lots of people will get extra free ones since if you had all 7 you'll get 2 mining books, 2 courier, and 3 security.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.17 20:49:00 - [22]
 

Depends how many times you switched agents, or if you did a "I'm training EVERYTHING I WILL EVER NEED" charisma bender.

-Liang

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.05.17 20:53:00 - [23]
 

Won't make much of a difference to me, pretty sure others are in the same situation. I have the two military ones at lvl5 and the others at lvl3-4 I think. So I'll get back maybe 200k SP not counting that I'll use to retrain the military one to 5. It's useful I suppose but nothing to go nuts over. My plan is pretty much to buy the new skillbook, insta-train it to 5 and then throw the rest of the SP into whatever I was training before the change.

Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.17 21:08:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: King Rothgar
My plan is pretty much to buy the new skillbook, insta-train it to 5 and then throw the rest of the SP into whatever I was training before the change.


You get the new books free by magic in your hangar to replace what you had, see the dev blog.

Rawblin
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.05.18 02:06:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Cambarus
TBH your best bet is just not to spend it.

Indeed.

I have been training the advanced connection skills ever since I noticed their dissapearence on Sisi. I also still got all the skill points from the Learning skill unallocated.



Rofl. You do realize that this gains you nothing, right? You could have simply been skilling up useful stuff, and never have to relocate anything?

You are not doing anything beneficial for yourself at all. Time = Skillpoints, and you are planning to simply leave skillpoints unallocated, which is like having $100,000 "Just in Case", when you could instead invest it and actually benefit from that money.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.05.18 02:29:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Rawblin
Rofl. You do realize that this gains you nothing, right? You could have simply been skilling up useful stuff, and never have to relocate anything?

You are not doing anything beneficial for yourself at all. Time = Skillpoints, and you are planning to simply leave skillpoints unallocated, which is like having $100,000 "Just in Case", when you could instead invest it and actually benefit from that money.


Unless you just happened to be Charisma specced when the changes went to Sisi -- and you really wanted those SP to dump in to something else. It actually makes really good sense in that case.

Spineker
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.18 03:07:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
TBH your best bet is just not to spend it. SP is easy to acquire, but large chunks of it that can be put into anything at any time are not. It's nice to have that buffer on you the next time you realize that you need a skill at lvl 4 to use some mod, or that you need a quick lvl 5 skill to move the other half of the ships out of an unsuspecting WH corps' hangars YARRRR!!


Good point actually.

Murtal Liven
Posted - 2011.05.18 05:10:00 - [28]
 

If Connections is being refunded, I'll have about a week (~450k sp) refunded. If it's just the "named" connection skills, I'll get about... 4 hours back.

On another note, I really wish I got an isk refund for those skills. I paid ~70m for my Bureaucratic + Military connections books.


 

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