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fon Bismark
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:21:00 - [1]
 

Distinguished members of the community, I want to ask you for help and advice.
My friend and CEO of my favorite corporation (BornToBurn) unproven banned for RMT. And our decapitated corporation decides to stay on in this game, or leave all together forever.

I'll tell you this story.

My apologies for poor English

After living some time in the WH with my friend, we came to the conclusion that I need another char. Since the ISK we had not much, we decided to borrow from our friends.All ISK have been transferred to my friend, after he handed them to me. I bought a char. After the purchase of char, a few days later, all accounts of my friend are banned. During the proceeding, it appears that he was banned for selling ISK for real money!

This conclusion GMs have done on the basis that his computer had been used in accounts of which were sold ISK. One person who served us ISK, EVE really came into his computer through a program of TeamViewer. Program established for him, since according to him, he had a problem with the latest patch and EVE does not run.After transferring to us ISK, access has been banned.

Further proceedings it appears that the GMs claim that the account that you send us ISK also belong to my friend, and it is outright slander. Then it turns out that GM just assume that these accounts belong to my friend, and based on their assumptions rather than clear and explicit evidence and without any warning banned my friend.
I like a man who knows a friend of mine for over 15 years in real life, you are responsible declare he did not sell ISK for real money. I ask your support and understanding. I wish that would be held honest and open investigation. I wish that my friend would not attributed to sin and the accounts of other real rights. I want to continue to continue to play honestly and further into the EVE with my friend and my corporation.

I also want to warn you, anyone and never let go from your computer in EVE.

Please write here your opinion, is it true my friend has been banned, or is it indicative work GMs "fighting RMT".? Express his opinion.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:31:00 - [2]
 

Laughing

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:33:00 - [3]
 

Awesome, would read again. Laughing

TokiWartooth Joringer
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:34:00 - [4]
 

Meh start a facebook campaign, you may get him unbanned.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:38:00 - [5]
 

Taking bets on the outcome of this thread!

Any proceeds will obviously be pocketed by me.

Issaries Valran
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:44:00 - [6]
 

I am not real sure what it was you were trying to say, like you said your english is poor, but if I replace the word friend with, me or I then it starts to make more since.

For one why would anyone a friends or not send someone else a bunch of isk so that person could get a char. No one does that.

Two why do people come on here to complain about being banned, what exactly are we the player base suppose to do. Besides laugh at you? It is not like we can decided to un-ban you because we feel sorry for you.

Third generally the player base of Eve never feels sorry for anyone, tears feed us like brains feed zombies. So even if we had the power of unbanning the chances are we wouldn't in fact we would find some way to make it worst for you.

Crias Taylor
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:44:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Crias Taylor on 16/05/2011 19:47:28
Edited by: Crias Taylor on 16/05/2011 19:45:42
Is he saying he let someone on his machine to transfer isk remotely and is shocked, SHOCKED at the turn of events?

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:45:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Maverick2011 on 16/05/2011 19:46:30
Im sorry for your loss, should have thought that before doing rmt activity. Yea everyone swear they know their internet friends and that they are good ppl and all but we are not 13 anymore to believe in that.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:46:00 - [9]
 

Um... hmm... you saying someone got banned? Tell him to stay away from those RMTs next time.

fon Bismark
Posted - 2011.05.16 19:57:00 - [10]
 

Thank you for responding.
I'm not looking for pity or consolation. And I understand that it can only unban CCP.

I need your opinion. Or advice.

Dach Starwind
Posted - 2011.05.16 20:01:00 - [11]
 

He was gettin char for the corp, and borrowed ISK for it from wrong people(friends that that dont do rmt lol - not true now) - I guess he just got into the sweep. My ceo was farming C4's to return ISK's - told me that in chat few times, and I saw him doing that - dont think that is kind of activity rmt people will do. I just hope GM's will investigate it properly - not just ban all who had contact with rmt directly or not.
Is there any way to get this going ? Petition for investigation or something ? Juts really liked the corp - dont wanna to search for new one x( Any precedents of pople unbanned in this kind of situation ? Please help - thanks in advance!

FeralShadow
NME1
Posted - 2011.05.16 20:04:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: fon Bismark
Since the ISK we had not much, we decided to borrow from our friends.


Well there's your problem! Rolling Eyes

Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.16 20:11:00 - [13]
 

It sounds to me like there was a chain of isk transfers, i.e. person A transferred isk to person B, then person B transferred the isk to person C. If anyone in the chain of transfers bought isk, that's RMT. If it was purchased recently, there's a chance you've been caught up in one of CCP's investigations that was aimed at completely shutting down an RMT operation. If that's what happened, I have a little sympathy (but only a little, since RMT is strictly prohibited by the EULA).

Your friend whose accounts were banned can petition it (create a trial account if need be). That's about the extent of your options. Nobody here in the forums will be able to help you; even though CCP reads them and sometimes replies, they've said repeatedly that they won't take action in a case like this without a petition.


Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.05.16 20:20:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: TokiWartooth Joringer
Meh start a spacebook campaign, you may get him unbanned.



FYP Laughing

Irulan Corinno
Caldari
714th SQN - Snowflakes
Posted - 2011.05.16 21:03:00 - [15]
 

Oh well whenever they ban me for no reason and not revoke it i guess fate wants me to play another game ...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.05.16 21:21:00 - [16]
 


In other news at 11, nice old lady is SHOCKED to discover she's being charged as an accessory to robbery after driving that nice young man with a ski mask on his face away from that bank where the alarms were ringing.

Outouchmatralala
Posted - 2011.05.16 21:23:00 - [17]
 

nerf falcons

Johnny May
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:22:00 - [18]
 

taking whine about RMT ban to forums rather escalating it up the petition ladder: Pro move.



Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:33:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: fon Bismark
And I understand that it can only unban CCP.

I am in full support of unbanning CCP.

Sebastian T'Soni
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:37:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Outouchmatralala
nerf falcons


buff hybrids!

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:52:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
I for one, can not wait til we start seeing these tears from the Russian Drone Role Players. The broken English tears will be quite amusing. Twisted Evil




It came much sooner than expected. Ok, so maybe not a Rouge Drone Role Player but close enough.. Razz


Linda Shadowborn
Gallente
Dark Steel Industries
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:53:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Akita T

In other news at 11, nice old lady is SHOCKED to discover she's being charged as an accessory to robbery after driving that nice young man with a ski mask on his face away from that bank where the alarms were ringing.


I laughed :)

fon Bismark
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:17:00 - [23]
 

Thanks again.
We need your opinion, what would it have been)

I want to share with you another problem.

We hang our debts to creditors. I'm not used to violate my obligations and promises.

We just need to play together to win back our debt.
At stake is our honor.

What would you do in this situation?

Just do not have to think that I'm asking for money))

Panda Name
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:22:00 - [24]
 

this tactic you are using to get out of your punishment is too complex. have you considered trying to argue that it was your little brother who did this? i know when i used wallh4x back in the day, that method usually worked.

good luck.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:22:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: fon Bismark
And I understand that it can only unban CCP.

I am in full support of unbanning CCP.


I dunno, there's pretty good evidence that CCP engages in RMT.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:25:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: fon Bismark
Thanks again.
We need your opinion, what would it have been)

I want to share with you another problem.

We hang our debts to creditors. I'm not used to violate my obligations and promises.

We just need to play together to win back our debt.
At stake is our honor.

What would you do in this situation?

Just do not have to think that I'm asking for money))


Yeah... you see that little "RMT" thing you mentioned already? Don't worry about honor.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:33:00 - [27]
 

CCP has the right to ban you because they don't like the way your portrait looks.

read the EULA/ToS.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:53:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: FeralShadow
Originally by: fon Bismark
Since the ISK we had not much, we decided to borrow from our friends.


Well there's your problem! Rolling Eyes


This. There are no "friends" in Eve. Even one's own alts cannot be trusted.


fon Bismark
Posted - 2011.05.20 06:50:00 - [29]
 

Thank you for your opinions.
Nobody ever will be open to say that it violates the rules of the game, including deals with RTM. And our friends did not talk about, and apparently hoped it would not notice the CCP.
Of course, the characters of a friend that passed us was ISK too is banned. But he is not playing already. He apologized to us for it, but this is not easier.

Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.20 07:16:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Crias Taylor
Edited by: Crias Taylor on 16/05/2011 19:47:28
Edited by: Crias Taylor on 16/05/2011 19:45:42
Is he saying he let someone on his machine to transfer isk remotely and is shocked, SHOCKED at the turn of events?

I dont think he said anything about being electrocuted...?


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