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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.05.14 12:37:00 - [1]
 

Hello Sisters, Brothers, others.

The question "What does it mean, to be Matari?" was a question my Clan's shaman asked me shortly before my Voluval, and was a question which gave me a good deal of trouble, as I had nothing that was not "Matari" to compare to, I had no idea what it meant to not "be Matari", hence, no idea what things made one "Matari". I did find my answer... once I started looking in the right place.

I later asked a friend of mine this same question; a few weeks later, she answered quite casually without even meaning to, while we were talking about something quite unrelated. Her answer was almost identical to mine, but I do not think that this question has a "right" answer, at least not a single one. So, fellow Matari, I ask you... what does it mean to you, to "be Matari"?

Dont be too worried, this isnt any sort of "pass/fail" question; I just wonder what it is, culturally, that makes us, "us"?

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.14 13:29:00 - [2]
 

The same thing that makes Baatsu-achur Baatsu-achur. A beautiful long standing culture.Not blood so much as that beautiful culture.

Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.05.14 13:34:00 - [3]
 

Blood. Heritage. Spirit. Culture. Clan. Tribe. Family.

The fire in your heart as you consider the third of our people in bondage.

The sorrow in your heart as you consider those we couldn't help.

All of the above are indicators... none by themselves make you Matari.
You need at least one... to be Matari.

Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.05.14 13:43:00 - [4]
 

An interesting question, and one that will likely lead you to countless different answers. What it means to be Matari will depend on who you are asking and what experiences they have gone through in their life.

The answer you get from a former member of the Republic Parliament is not going to be the same as you get from a member of Ushra'Khan, for example.

For me, I grew up outside the Republic. While I have Matari Blood in my veins, I wasn't fully immersed in Minmatar Traditions as a child. I still consider myself to be Matari, however, though my own lack of knowledge regarding our people's customs does mean many within the Republic would not see me as such.

Literia
Minmatar
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.05.14 13:51:00 - [5]
 

I am not even sure, I even qualify to answer on that, because I dont even know what or who I am half the times. I dont know that much about my own people because I wasnt apart of my own people for a long time.

But for me, being Matari means. Standing up against all the odds for what is right, saying no to oppression. Love, love deeply, passionately and purely.

And its not just standing up for what is right, it is standing up even when the odds are against you. Having that fire burn down deep inside you, yearning to be released. Having the courage no matter what it is to speak your mind, because no matter what happens that is the one place that we are truely free.

Passion, loyality, family, and now I can say Clan. Are what it means to be Matari to me. I know I am probably wrong on a lot of aspects.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.05.14 14:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Literia

But for me, being Matari means. Standing up against all the odds for what is right, saying no to oppression. Love, love deeply, passionately and purely.

And its not just standing up for what is right, it is standing up even when the odds are against you. Having that fire burn down deep inside you, yearning to be released. Having the courage no matter what it is to speak your mind, because no matter what happens that is the one place that we are truely free.

Passion, loyality, family, and now I can say Clan. Are what it means to be Matari to me. I know I am probably wrong on a lot of aspects.


Well said sister, well said indeed...I'm proud of you.


Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.14 14:22:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Literia
I am not even sure, I even qualify to answer on that, because I dont even know what or who I am half the times. I dont know that much about my own people because I wasnt apart of my own people for a long time.

But for me, being Matari means. Standing up against all the odds for what is right, saying no to oppression. Love, love deeply, passionately and purely.

And its not just standing up for what is right, it is standing up even when the odds are against you. Having that fire burn down deep inside you, yearning to be released. Having the courage no matter what it is to speak your mind, because no matter what happens that is the one place that we are truely free.

Passion, loyality, family, and now I can say Clan. Are what it means to be Matari to me. I know I am probably wrong on a lot of aspects.


Beautiful, nailed it. To my wall.

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.05.14 14:28:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Literia
I am not even sure, I even qualify to answer on that, because I dont even know what or who I am half the times. I dont know that much about my own people because I wasnt apart of my own people for a long time.

But for me, being Matari means. Standing up against all the odds for what is right, saying no to oppression. Love, love deeply, passionately and purely.

And its not just standing up for what is right, it is standing up even when the odds are against you. Having that fire burn down deep inside you, yearning to be released. Having the courage no matter what it is to speak your mind, because no matter what happens that is the one place that we are truely free.

Passion, loyality, family, and now I can say Clan. Are what it means to be Matari to me. I know I am probably wrong on a lot of aspects.


Psst... pretty much what I said, when I was asked. Calm down, you know all you need to know.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.05.14 14:59:00 - [9]
 

I'm not a Matari, but I think I can answer your question.

You are aware of the old Gallentean concept of the five elements, Fire, Water, Earth, Air and Void, correct? The Garoun (and, I believe, the Morthane) Gallenteans believed that all physical things were composed of these five things, and that, in a metaphorical way, so were all metaphysical things as well. Obviously, I don't believe it in a literal sense, but as a thought exercise, it's a useful and fulfilling concept. I've always heavily identified the Federation as a whole with the philosophical element of Water, given its ability to take any shape and fill any volume neccessary, the way it can flow around or through any impediment and its ability to wear down obstacles without destroying itself.

Likewise, I've always identified the Matari people with the element of Air. Unchained, free, stirred by the faintest twitch to the loudest shout yet never truly changed by either. The philosophical, metaphorical element of Air represented Truth unadulterated - just like if you try and sieze the wind, contain it, it ceases to be wind, so it is with truth and the Matari people themselves. A race of seekers, happy to call anywhere that welcomes them home. A people indivisible, for though you might try to build walls and doors to keep air apart from itself, the slightest crack in those walls will let it mingle. And hidden strength, too, for although it appears completely intangible, the air itself can have terrible destructive power if driven to it. But most importantly of all, the air is formless, and so are the Matari - lacking shape or volume, neither can ever be truly confined nor comprehended, for what poor fool could ever bottle all the air in the world?

Half Cocked Jack
Posted - 2011.05.14 16:21:00 - [10]
 

I have spent the past decade traveling the Republic and beyond, partly to satisfy just this question. And I've found that for each clan on each planet, there is a different answer. Asking what makes us one of the people adds just another layer of complexity to the already convoluted question of what makes us human in the first place. Genetics? History? Ethics? Society?

The Republic-at-large embraces a definition in which all who share a dominantly Matari gene pool--both at home and abroad, free or slave--are part of the people (with the exception of some politically convenient exclusions). Yet the way many small, insular clans think of the Matari can even exclude other clans within their same tribe. Some include anyone who chooses to make a home in the Republic regardless of their heritage or philosophy, and yet others will exclude even their closest kin if they aren't fervent enough in campaigning for galactic liberation.

Common trends emerge, most notably a) blood-type, b) social ties, and c) a propensity for passion and struggle. Personally, I only fit one of those criteria. I'm a Sebiestor by blood alone. The opportunity to come to the Republic didn't present itself to me until I was in my thirties, so I lack a Matari family, clan, or tribe. I lack a Matari upbringing. I've never undergone the Voluval. I'm not driven to fight the Amarr, nor to personally liberate those under the yoke of slavery. I'm not a believer in any of the shamanistic spiritual traditions...

...but I have put much effort into making the Republic my home. I have studied and worked with many Republic organizations, and am heavily invested in the advancement and well-being of the people. I made a choice to breathe, break bread, and build here, aligning my interests with those of the people and entwining my destiny with that of our polity. Perhaps that isn't enough to make me one of the people in the minds of many, but in mine I am Matari--and that is what matters.

Maria Crases
Posted - 2011.05.14 17:14:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I'm not a Matari, but I think I can answer your question.

You are aware of the old Gallentean concept of the five elements, Fire, Water, Earth, Air and Void, correct? The Garoun (and, I believe, the Morthane) Gallenteans believed that all physical things were composed of these five things, and that, in a metaphorical way, so were all metaphysical things as well. Obviously, I don't believe it in a literal sense, but as a thought exercise, it's a useful and fulfilling concept. I've always heavily identified the Federation as a whole with the philosophical element of Water, given its ability to take any shape and fill any volume neccessary, the way it can flow around or through any impediment and its ability to wear down obstacles without destroying itself.

Likewise, I've always identified the Matari people with the element of Air. Unchained, free, stirred by the faintest twitch to the loudest shout yet never truly changed by either. The philosophical, metaphorical element of Air represented Truth unadulterated - just like if you try and sieze the wind, contain it, it ceases to be wind, so it is with truth and the Matari people themselves. A race of seekers, happy to call anywhere that welcomes them home. A people indivisible, for though you might try to build walls and doors to keep air apart from itself, the slightest crack in those walls will let it mingle. And hidden strength, too, for although it appears completely intangible, the air itself can have terrible destructive power if driven to it. But most importantly of all, the air is formless, and so are the Matari - lacking shape or volume, neither can ever be truly confined nor comprehended, for what poor fool could ever bottle all the air in the world?


The Matarti is not about freedom. You can be captive and still Matari.

*plays with a necklace on here neck that seems to be a tribal trinket of the Matari*

Its about family.

Korvan Hraldir Davanev
Posted - 2011.05.14 19:20:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
Blood. Heritage. Spirit. Culture. Clan. Tribe. Family.

The fire in your heart as you consider the third of our people in bondage.

The sorrow in your heart as you consider those we couldn't help.

All of the above are indicators... none by themselves make you Matari.
You need at least one... to be Matari.


Your list is a good place to start, although I would say you need more than one.
There are plenty who post on this channel who possess one or more of these and yet will never be Matari.


Robert Kauliford
Kauliford Trading
Posted - 2011.05.14 20:39:00 - [13]
 

All to often I find many Matari find it easier to define what is not Matari. Anything outside they're limited worldview is defined as heretical with a zealousness that would make an imperial inquisitor blush.

As the Empire sought to strip every slave of they're individuality and background so now do they turn to every scrap of half remembered ritual no matter how ridiculous it may seem so they can claim the title 'Matari' rather than moving on and seeking a new identity

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.05.14 21:35:00 - [14]
 

I thought it was about using small planetary vehicles as ammunition in guns.

Korvan Hraldir Davanev
Posted - 2011.05.14 22:02:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Robert Kauliford
All to often I find many Matari find it easier to define what is not Matari. Anything outside they're limited worldview is defined as heretical with a zealousness that would make an imperial inquisitor blush.

As the Empire sought to strip every slave of they're individuality and background so now do they turn to every scrap of half remembered ritual no matter how ridiculous it may seem so they can claim the title 'Matari' rather than moving on and seeking a new identity


Interesting I have never heard one of my fellow Matari use the word heretical, never seen one of them post demanding compliance with ritual.

I have seen posts, made a few myself infact, where someone who has turned their back on Matari ways and sided with our enemies have been derided for still claiming to be part of the Matari people.

Most of us would accept a very wide range of beliefs and practices as being compatable with living life as a Matari, vertainly no inquisition.

I can only speak for myself when I say that sticking dogmatically to "half remembered ritual" as you put it is stupid and pointless. Trying to take some of that ritual a, plus what we can of culture and heritage, and use it as the foundation to build something new yet distinctly Matari upon is a practical aim.




Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.14 23:27:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You are aware of the old Gallentean concept of the five elements, Fire, Water, Earth, Air and Void, correct? The Garoun (and, I believe, the Morthane) Gallenteans believed that all physical things were composed of these five things, and that, in a metaphorical way, so were all metaphysical things as well. Obviously, I don't believe it in a literal sense, but as a thought exercise, it's a useful and fulfilling concept. I've always heavily identified the Federation as a whole with the philosophical element of Water, given its ability to take any shape and fill any volume neccessary, the way it can flow around or through any impediment and its ability to wear down obstacles without destroying itself.

Likewise, I've always identified the Matari people with the element of Air. Unchained, free, stirred by the faintest twitch to the loudest shout yet never truly changed by either. The philosophical, metaphorical element of Air represented Truth unadulterated - just like if you try and sieze the wind, contain it, it ceases to be wind, so it is with truth and the Matari people themselves. A race of seekers, happy to call anywhere that welcomes them home. A people indivisible, for though you might try to build walls and doors to keep air apart from itself, the slightest crack in those walls will let it mingle. And hidden strength, too, for although it appears completely intangible, the air itself can have terrible destructive power if driven to it. But most importantly of all, the air is formless, and so are the Matari - lacking shape or volume, neither can ever be truly confined nor comprehended, for what poor fool could ever bottle all the air in the world?


Oh, I very much like this analogy. I shall get a deeper look to these Garoun old beliefs. It strangely fits very well to the 4 empires.

Taliya Valkorva
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.14 23:32:00 - [17]
 

So. Many. Words.


Everyone knows it's really about the duct tape. Twisted Evil

Math'ra Hiede
Amarr
Trinity's Vanguard
Posted - 2011.05.15 02:11:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You are aware of the old Gallentean concept of the five elements, Fire, Water, Earth, Air and Void, correct? The Garoun (and, I believe, the Morthane) Gallenteans believed that all physical things were composed of these five things, and that, in a metaphorical way, so were all metaphysical things as well. Obviously, I don't believe it in a literal sense, but as a thought exercise, it's a useful and fulfilling concept. I've always heavily identified the Federation as a whole with the philosophical element of Water, given its ability to take any shape and fill any volume neccessary, the way it can flow around or through any impediment and its ability to wear down obstacles without destroying itself.

Likewise, I've always identified the Matari people with the element of Air. Unchained, free, stirred by the faintest twitch to the loudest shout yet never truly changed by either. The philosophical, metaphorical element of Air represented Truth unadulterated - just like if you try and sieze the wind, contain it, it ceases to be wind, so it is with truth and the Matari people themselves. A race of seekers, happy to call anywhere that welcomes them home. A people indivisible, for though you might try to build walls and doors to keep air apart from itself, the slightest crack in those walls will let it mingle. And hidden strength, too, for although it appears completely intangible, the air itself can have terrible destructive power if driven to it. But most importantly of all, the air is formless, and so are the Matari - lacking shape or volume, neither can ever be truly confined nor comprehended, for what poor fool could ever bottle all the air in the world?


A rare moment of insight for someone so seemingly narrow minded.
Perhaps, that you are wiser than you portray yourself Andreus - well said indeed.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.05.15 02:23:00 - [19]
 

Oh, you think so?

You might not if you were to ask me what element I think the Amarrians represent.

FeralShadow
NME1
Posted - 2011.05.15 04:38:00 - [20]
 

To be Matari is to strap machine guns to your "captain's chair" and roll down a set of stairs firing wildly. I may fly beside the Minmatars, but I doubt like hell I'll ever figure out their fighting style.

Math'ra Hiede
Amarr
Trinity's Vanguard
Posted - 2011.05.15 04:49:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Oh, you think so?

You might not if you were to ask me what element I think the Amarrians represent.


Void: The malevolent entity that violently consumes and destroys all in its path with no care or appreciation for what it destroys.
Fire: A raging torrent of pure destruction, serving little purpose other than to scorch and ruin all that it comes into contact.

Now, bear in mind that I think these are things that YOU would come up with, my interpretation would be different... but I am curious to see.

Goshien Aiel
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.05.15 06:02:00 - [22]
 

To kick the ass of an advanced people despite using technology that is little better then chucking a rock?

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.15 10:26:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Math'ra Hiede
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Oh, you think so?

You might not if you were to ask me what element I think the Amarrians represent.


Void: The malevolent entity that violently consumes and destroys all in its path with no care or appreciation for what it destroys.
Fire: A raging torrent of pure destruction, serving little purpose other than to scorch and ruin all that it comes into contact.

Now, bear in mind that I think these are things that YOU would come up with, my interpretation would be different... but I am curious to see.


We can picture the 3 other elements in the same pejorative way either.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.05.16 01:47:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Math'ra Hiede
Void: The malevolent entity that violently consumes and destroys all in its path with no care or appreciation for what it destroys.


Void actually doesn't have all that many perjorative qualities. Void wasn't considered a destructive or even an active force - it's the gaps between musical notes, the pause between words in a sentence, the division between objects that serves to hold everything both together and apart. It is the lack of meaning and substance that imbues meaning and substance into other things. You can't really equate a society to it because that society would have to be defined by its lack of definition. It would be a society that inhabits the gaps between other societies.

Pax Thar
Minmatar
Heathen Army
Posted - 2011.05.16 04:21:00 - [25]
 

To be Matari...

To be loyal to your Republic, your People, your Tribe, and yourself.

To take the fight to your enemies and be relentless in pursuit of justice for the fallen and the captive.

To honor yourself and your brothers by never taking a step back, and remembering why we fight.

To sacrifice all that is necessary for the liberation of the lost.

Butler Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.05.16 04:35:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Butler Starbuckington on 16/05/2011 04:36:09
Bahh how did i end up here...

Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Posted - 2011.05.16 04:37:00 - [27]
 

Too respect the will of others and too respect your own
Too remember where you came from and know where you are going
Too make the sacrafice for the greater good of your people

That to me is what makes up the Matari Spirit, we do what we must for our fellow clansmen for we are strong in unity.

Zihora
Posted - 2011.05.16 04:42:00 - [28]
 

What is it like to be a slave to the Amarr?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys8AkwMRvgo

Markius TheShed
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.16 06:39:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Pax Thar
To be Matari...

To be loyal to your Republic, your People, your Tribe, and yourself.




It's a shame that you don't follow your own doctrine pax.

Pax Thar
Minmatar
Heathen Army
Posted - 2011.05.16 11:59:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Markius TheShed
Originally by: Pax Thar
To be Matari...

To be loyal to your Republic, your People, your Tribe, and yourself.




It's a shame that you don't follow your own doctrine pax.



If I were to go on about what it means to be a Tribe, you all would not qualify.


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