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Mo Shizzler
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:05:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Mo Shizzler on 11/05/2011 15:07:40
In angymonne I noticed a lot of npc corp ice miners using identical set ups. 1 orca + 2 macks in the first set up, totaling 27 characters. 1 orca + 2 mack + 2 retriever, totalling 35 characters (7 groups). In all there is 60+ characters. These characters don't only mine in the 3 angymonne ice fields, but also antollare and tolle ice fields, these are just 1-3 jumps away. The 27 characters that consist of 1 orca + 2 macks all log on and off at the same time. The 35 other characters consisting of 1 orca, 2 mack, 2 retrievers, also log on and off all at the same time, but a different time to the 27 characters, always at least an hour apart.

Some characters from both the 27 miners group share the same names as some from the 35 miner group. Many characters from both groups share the same character creation dates. These days are 2010.08.31, 2010.03.14, many of the others were probably purchased characters, having been in many different corps, but have been in npc corps for 3 months 8 days, 5 months and 4 days or 11 months and 28 days.

ALL characters from the 35 miner group (7x5 orca groups) were born on the same dates, 2010.08.31, 2010.03.14 - both of these dates are the same dates used in the 27 characters mentioned earlier, 2011.04.08, or have been in npc corps for 11 months and 28 days - There's a familar date from the 27 strong group.
Every character from the 35 strong group (7x5 characters consisting of 1 orca + 2 mack + 2 ret) Has the same dates used over and over, i'll give an example...

orca group 1 (tolle ice field)
bitardo - 2010.08.31
febuzi kumamato - 2011.04.08
fodecto enderas - 2011.04.08
jack sirac - 2010.03.14
kal tiru - in npc corp for 11 months and 28 days

orca group 2 (tolle ice field)

andoca - 2010.08.31
ectinov sakari - 2011.04.08
entcove kusoni - 2011.04.08
mac mac01 - 2010.03.14
abdub malsharif - in npc corp for 11 months and 28 days

orca group 3 (angymonne ice field)

conipa - 2010.08.31
acpetu ozuwara - 2011.04.08
afecra kugisa - 2011.04.08
mac mac02 - 2010.03.14
yode - in npc corp for 11 months and 27 days

orca group 4 (angymonne ice field)

funicro - 2010.08.31
becopi kusoni - 2011.04.08
borgefa ichosira - 2011.04.08
orpeda - 2010.08.31
sei wan - in npc corp for 11 months and 28 days

orca group 5 (angymonne ice field)

cosipa - 2010.08.31
cogula isimazu - 2011.04.08
columek asanari - 2011.04.08
olecap - 2010.08.31
katalis lightbringer - in npc corp for 11 months and 28 days

orca group 6 (antollare ice field)

rohk raser - in npc corp for 11 months and 28 days
hentoga akiga - 2011.04.08
huvizo hilanen - 2011.04.08
cicaboom - 2010.03.14
ou rosu - in npc corp for 11 months and 27 days

orca group 7 (antollare ice field)

encoro - 2010.08.31
depive hita - 2011.04.08
deripe aishai - 2011.04.08
zekalina - in npc corp for 11 months and 28 days
ou albastru - in npc corp for 11 months and 27 days

As you can see, the same 5 dates are used between all 35 characters. These are all npc corp characters, all mining ice in identical group set ups in Antollare, Angymonne and Tolle systems, these systems are right next to each other. Wow, i can't believe i just typed all that, but it's the only way to get attention to this. I may aswell list the other 27 characters. I'll have to split this over 2 posts.



Mo Shizzler
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:07:00 - [2]
 

This is only half of the characters, there is 27 more characters, identical in every way but one, these 27 characters mine in groups of 3 instead, they don't have the 2x retrievers. They do use the same ice fields though and a lot of the 27 characters share the dates as the 35 named above - 2010.08.31, 2010.03.14. Some have the same names too.

aburi kenji - in npc corp for 5 months and 4 days
bamburina - 2010.08.31
barabut - 2010.08.31
bila1 - in npc corp for 3 months and 8 days
bila2 - in npc corp for 3 months and 8 days
buvey - 2010.08.31
chicken one - 2010.03.14
darkkane3 - in npc corp for 5 months and 4 days
first yoda - in npc corp for 3 months and 8 days
gheretz - in npc corp for 11 months and 28 days
jackie blades - in npc corp for 11 months and 27 days
johnny crook - in npc corp for 11 months and 27 days
kolikos - 2010.08.31
mandrice - 2010.08.31
midori shiji - in npc corp for 5 months and 4 days
mihail kalashikov- in npc corp for 11 months and 27 days
moonkees panker - in npc corp for 3 months and 8 days
ou alb - in npc corp for 11 months and 27 days
ou galben - in npc corp for 11 months and 27 days
pherepapha - in npc corp for 3 months
roidcruncher - in npc corp for 3 months
rothface - in npc corp for 3 months and 8 days
sagenne - 2010.08.31
shipana - 2010.08.31
susan landa - 2010.03.14
vandozar - 2010.08.31
yoda eve - in npc corp for 3 months and 8 days

These 27 characters are all divided into groups of 1 orca + 2 macks, spread over the ice fields of antollare, angymonne and tolle. They're all in npc corps and share the same character creation dates or npc corp join dates, aswell as sharing the same 2 dates that come up again and again in the previously mentioned 35 characters.

There's a total of 62 characters involved in this massive ice mining operation and they do it for 15-19 hours a day.

Make of it what you will, but considering the characters within the 2 large groups of 27 log in and out at the same time, and the 35 log in and out at the same time, most of these must be no more than 1 or 2 people.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:11:00 - [3]
 

I sure hope you petitioned it! nice legwork too btw

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:14:00 - [4]
 

I'm mining ice with my alt in a Mack (caldari space) and afk main char doing other stuff, auto-reject invites.

Am I a boter?

Murdoc Messenger
Minmatar
Thunderwaffe
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:15:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Murdoc Messenger on 11/05/2011 15:16:06
Could you please scan the orcas to see what gang links they are using and what shield tank the macks have?
If they ain't to tanked I can come blow up a few if you could help me clear Concorde from the belts every 15 min.

Originally by: Swynet
I'm mining ice with my alt in a Mack (caldari space) and afk main char doing other stuff, auto-reject invites.

Am I a boter?

Well, you are an easy target.. if you are not out 45 sec after I bump you, you die :)

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:15:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Swynet
I'm mining ice with my alt in a Mack (caldari space) and afk main char doing other stuff, auto-reject invites.

Am I a boter?

Are you in a large group in the same NPC corp AND does your pod warp back to the belt even after your ship is destroyed?

Mo Shizzler
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:22:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Swynet
I'm mining ice with my alt in a Mack (caldari space) and afk main char doing other stuff, auto-reject invites.

Am I a boter?


Do you have 26 other mining characters who all log in and out at the exact same time and mine 15+ hours a day without taking breaks?

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:25:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Swynet on 11/05/2011 15:29:45
wtf I mine for my self with my extra account !!

Quote:
Well, you are an easy target.. if you are not out 45 sec after I bump you, you die :)


yeah it's the issue I found since I just come back every 3 cycles to drop stuff at the station, anyway the Mack is just strong has a rookie frig with some drones and a ridiculous med slot.

So if he gets ganked the pod will stay until I come back, why should he fly away?

Manof Theland
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:29:00 - [9]
 

people still think cee cee pee actually care about macro users what are they putting in yur water lol
what do they have to do to get it through yur head? theyre NOT INTERESTED oh god lol just stopit

Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:53:00 - [10]
 

Why don't they just mass run missions? Doesn't mining ice only yield like 2mil an hour?

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:57:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Last Wolf
Why don't they just mass run missions? Doesn't mining ice only yield like 2mil an hour?


Well I'm already missioning with my main char or "peeveepeeing" with my main so it's just a +that justifies the price I pay for my second account. So what?

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Manof Theland
i still think people actually care about what i say what are they putting in my water lol
what do i have to do to get it through my head? theyre NOT INTERESTED oh god lol i just can't stopit


fixed that for you.


Really awesome work, Mo !
No, is there anything we can do to help you,
when they don't get banned soon ?

Like ... massive outcry about them not being banned ?
Flood them with petitions ?

A ganking squad ? i'm in !
(surely didn't raise my secstatus so it stays up ...)

Just tell, i'm all ears.

And please keep us updated.

Thx.

Mo Shizzler
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:47:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Mo Shizzler on 11/05/2011 16:49:06
Originally by: Solstice Project
Originally by: Manof Theland
i still think people actually care about what i say what are they putting in my water lol
what do i have to do to get it through my head? theyre NOT INTERESTED oh god lol i just can't stopit


fixed that for you.


Really awesome work, Mo !
No, is there anything we can do to help you,
when they don't get banned soon ?

Like ... massive outcry about them not being banned ?
Flood them with petitions ?

A ganking squad ? i'm in !
(surely didn't raise my secstatus so it stays up ...)

Just tell, i'm all ears.

And please keep us updated.

Thx.


Well, petitioning them may help. If you saw my thread http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1506888&page=1#18 about the other 4x 9 man corps of identical macrominers, none of those characters have logged in for days, so it's safe to assume they got the banhammer.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:07:00 - [14]
 

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!

WTF IS THIS %*@#%???

Is this a player taking the initiative and helping ccp fight the bot war by doing investigation on his own, taking notes and providing great evidence of bots?


This can't be!! Players are just supposed to whine and complain about bots on the forums, not actually make an "effort" to help ccp fight bots.

+5 to you good sir! Thank you for your time to help fight bots!

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:22:00 - [15]
 

So why aren't you getting paid for this? Or at the very least, playing for free?

Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:31:00 - [16]
 

I think his previous find was better as they were not NPC-corp protected. Twisted Evil

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:34:00 - [17]
 

I like our current low ice prices, please leave them be

Mo Shizzler
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:56:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Palovana
I think his previous find was better as they were not NPC-corp protected. Twisted Evil


Those guys stopped logging in almost a week ago. I guess CCP got them.

FeralShadow
NME1
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:10:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!

WTF IS THIS %*@#%???

Is this a player taking the initiative and helping ccp fight the bot war by doing investigation on his own, taking notes and providing great evidence of bots?


This can't be!! Players are just supposed to whine and complain about bots on the forums, not actually make an "effort" to help ccp fight bots.

+5 to you good sir! Thank you for your time to help fight bots!


LOL obsidian you win the great post of the day. Also, you're right. +5 from me as well sir!

As a side note, every bot that I've investigated and petitioned/reported to CCP have not been seen again. they're really working on it, and if you want to see results, go find them bots yourself!

-Feral

Athelas Loraiel
Amarr
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:18:00 - [20]
 

Thank you , OP, for keeping my game to my liking.
If you want money, ask I will donate.

Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:53:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!

WTF IS THIS %*@#%???

Is this a player taking the initiative and helping ccp fight the bot war by doing investigation on his own, taking notes and providing great evidence of bots?

This can't be!! Players are just supposed to whine and complain about bots on the forums, not actually make an "effort" to help ccp fight bots.


The reason so few players actually make this effort, is because far too often it doesn't even dent botters/ISK farmers.

2 years ago I spotted similar activity in a mission hub. A single day's worth of observation, research, logging and note-taking resulted in a petition explaining that all these 3-week old accounts with 5.0 standings flying Ravens in NPC corps and created on the same dates, are not made with noble intentions in mind.

My effort actually paid off, the GM informed me that my petition resulted in 150 accounts being banned. Local went from 70 on average down to about 40 in the main mission system, noticeable drops were seen throughout the entire constellation.

For a month.

I checked back a month later and the systems had nearly restored their numbers. I did another headcount and I found plenty of accounts mimicking the actions and behaviour of the ones I had observed earlier. Another petition was sent... and it took some days before some of those accounts were banned, but the rest were ignored and their numbers kept creeping up again.

By that point I just left it alone, I wasn't getting paid for this work, nor was I getting rewarded, and I had left the GMs with enough instructions on how to spot them, they could take over. I really doubt they did.

And therein lies the problem. It's clearly up to us players to spot, identify and report the botters/ISK farmers, but we get absolutely NOTHING for our efforts. There's no incentive to do this. Meanwhile, the botters/ISK farmers most often get to keep the ISK and mission loot, which they sell 90% of the time for real life money. For them it's a job, and a damn well-paid one at that. They have EVERY REASON to continue what they're doing.

Dasatei
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:31:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Zaknussem
.

why so butthurt?



CCP didn't ban your bot did they?

Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:38:00 - [23]
 

And at the end of the day you did all that work for nothing as ccp can not take your word for it, as you do not work for them.
will they log into the game to have a look for themselves? doubt it.
that must've been a lot of work though, props for that.

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:41:00 - [24]
 

Has anyone considered that those miners mentioned by OP may be gulf war vets who are dying of brain tumour and is just trying to get some little pleasure out of ice mining?Twisted Evil

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:53:00 - [25]
 

Where the hell are you people finding these groups? I'm scowering through 1/4 of Jita and I can't seem to find these botters. Yet, Mo over here manages to find whole droves of them in just a few systems. Either my search methods suck or I'm going senile.

Excellent work by the way.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:56:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Where the hell are you people finding these groups? I'm scowering through 1/4 of Jita and I can't seem to find these botters. Yet, Mo over here manages to find whole droves of them in just a few systems. Either my search methods suck or I'm going senile.

Excellent work by the way.

Jita =! macroground.

Macroground = any system with lots of belts and low normal population.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:58:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Swynet
I'm mining ice with my alt in a Mack (caldari space) and afk main char doing other stuff, auto-reject invites.

Am I a boter?


My dear, the only way to be sure is to weight you down with stones and throw you into a lake. If you float, you're a witch.....I mean botter. If you don't, you're clean.

Misstress Iteron
Antares Shipyards
Posted - 2011.05.12 00:23:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Where the hell are you people finding these groups? I'm scowering through 1/4 of Jita and I can't seem to find these botters. Yet, Mo over here manages to find whole droves of them in just a few systems. Either my search methods suck or I'm going senile.

Excellent work by the way.


I run into at least one noticable macro group on my roams without trying to look for them. Its easy once you know what you are looking for.

Deus Toran
Posted - 2011.05.12 02:41:00 - [29]
 

Bump for good work and visibility. Maybe people who do this kind of research don't get their just reward but it's valuable work nonetheless. Keep it up.

Keith F
Caldari
United ALT Forces
Posted - 2011.05.12 03:18:00 - [30]
 

Nice Sherlock Holmes work there, +5.

Would be nice if we could get some sort of feedback re petitions for bots, ie "tolle ice field bots", confirmed and warned/banned,
or some banned, some unable to confirm botting.etc.

or maybe GM's could add a icon of a magnifing Glass to the OP's post to signify they looking into it, and a stamp of banhammer/warning icon over the entire list to signify action taken, but not actually identify which toon it was for privacy

With maybe a running tally of numbers of bots warned. banned etc placed somewhere in forums


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