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Dregol
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:12:00 - [1]
 

Since the patch that introduced the new complexes, I've yet to see any deadspace loot (~10 complexes now) - not a single item. CCP broke the respawn timers of anomalies so I'm wondering if they broke the loot tables as well, or if this was just a stealth nerf to drop rates.

Have other people had the same "bad luck" with complexes as I have?

Emperor Salazar
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:31:00 - [2]
 

A whole 10 complexes huh?

Dregol
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:37:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Emperor Salazar
A whole 10 complexes huh?


Greetings kind troll,

Assuming that there's even a 25% chance that you get 1 or more deadspace loots, odds are only 5% that I'd not receive 1 module by the 10th complex; and I know for certain that the odds were much higher than this before the patch. Sooo unless you have something constructive to post, please refrain from posting! Thanks!

Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:28:00 - [4]
 

Sorry to burst your bubble OP, everything is fine.

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:23:00 - [5]
 

Off topic trolling and flaming removed.

Please stay on topic.

Emperor Salazar
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:40:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Dregol
Originally by: Emperor Salazar
A whole 10 complexes huh?


Greetings kind troll,

Assuming that there's even a 25% chance that you get 1 or more deadspace loots, odds are only 5% that I'd not receive 1 module by the 10th complex; and I know for certain that the odds were much higher than this before the patch. Sooo unless you have something constructive to post, please refrain from posting! Thanks!


Assuming you have half a brain you can get a moderate understanding of probability and statistics and realize that 10 is hardly a sample size worth evaluating. Additionally, I'm willing to bet your "10 complexes" were not the same complex. Thus, we can deduce that your sample size is even smaller, as we should be looking at this in terms of unique complexes, not "all complexes as a bundle."

Even if we were to assume that all 10 were the same complex, whats to say someone else didn't get 10 of that complex as well, and have 2 of them dropping? This would result in roughly 10% drop rate between your combined 20 plexes. This is of course a foolish hypothetical situation as it is still a small sample size and I still very much doubt you ran the same complex 10 times.

Remember that the drop rates do not apply to an individual player, but to the complexes themselves. There are other people exploring you know.

PS: Other people are still getting stuff.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:42:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Off topic trolling and flaming removed.

Please stay on topic.


Thanks Navigator for not even having the decency to read my goddamn post before deleting it. There was absolutely not flaming going on there, and to whit


Quote:
10 complexes is a statistically relevant sample, yessir it is


All hail the RNG



Please, don't just blindly delete posts. This is a relevant point to the OP.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Off topic trolling and flaming removed.

Please stay on topic.



...You removed the post where somebody explained statistics and proper sample sizes. How the **** does that count as trolling, flaming, or off topic?

Nieusha
Gallente
Life. Universe. Everything.
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:40:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Dregol
Since the patch that introduced the new complexes, I've yet to see any deadspace loot (~10 complexes now) - not a single item. CCP broke the respawn timers of anomalies so I'm wondering if they broke the loot tables as well, or if this was just a stealth nerf to drop rates.

Have other people had the same "bad luck" with complexes as I have?


I found a large DG shield booster, I wanted it to be a medium, I think with plexs, you should be able to choose what kind of loot you get from it.

Celia Therone
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:10:00 - [10]
 

Yesterday I saw, in high sec...

Pithum Medium Shield Transporter - loot drop from a destroyed structure.
Implant and shield resistance mod from an escalation rat.

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 12:00:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Target Painter on 12/05/2011 12:00:44
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Off topic trolling and flaming removed.

Please stay on topic.


Relevant discussion of statistics is now off-topic trolling.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.05.12 15:20:00 - [12]
 

Could someone edit the stats back in, assuming that is allowed and/or is done in a non-troll way.

Emperor Salazar
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.12 15:27:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Wacktopia
Could someone edit the stats back in, assuming that is allowed and/or is done in a non-troll way.


There were no stats, just my post about statistics and sample sizes. I reposted it after CCP Navigator.

Trin Javidan
Posted - 2011.05.12 20:32:00 - [14]
 

confirming i have done 8 angel 8/10's since patch and i got only a b-type shield boost amplifier in the 5th one, rest nothing, waste of time, better do missions and grow bored and quit eve after saving the damsel 20 times

Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.12 20:38:00 - [15]
 

WTS Damsel x21 5M ISK obo

Quitting EvE.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.05.12 23:00:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Bumblefck
Please, don't just blindly delete posts. This is a relevant point to the OP.


Was it one of "off topic", "trolling" or "flaming"?

Could it have been better expressed as,"10 complexes is not a meaningful sample size." Could you have pointed out some useful information such as,"5% odd is not impossible, in fact it is going to happen once in twenty observations, on average, in the long term."

That would have been relevant and meaningful. Save the sarcasm and bitterness for COAD and C&P.

Ave Kathrina
Posted - 2011.05.13 01:52:00 - [17]
 

I can confirm that theoretical and mathamatical probability mates exactly in Eve as it does in RL.

Therefore, I do 1 anomally or complex and I expect 100% success chance of a loot drop.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.05.15 18:57:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Bumblefck
Please, don't just blindly delete posts. This is a relevant point to the OP.


Was it one of "off topic", "trolling" or "flaming"?

Could it have been better expressed as,"10 complexes is not a meaningful sample size." Could you have pointed out some useful information such as,"5% odd is not impossible, in fact it is going to happen once in twenty observations, on average, in the long term."

That would have been relevant and meaningful. Save the sarcasm and bitterness for COAD and C&P.



Oooh, la-di-dah, look at you...gentle sarcasm is now forbidden. Rolling Eyes

ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
Posted - 2011.05.15 20:14:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 15/05/2011 20:16:11

The whine meter on this thread just hit 11.

WTG everyone.

EDIT - @OP, faction and deadspace is still droppin' for me. :)

K'uata Sayus
Posted - 2011.05.15 22:53:00 - [20]
 

My invention successes have been dung for 6 months. To those of you who cite the "RNG". the results still suck.

By the way, results of the RNG can still be manipulated whenever CCP wants them to be. So, in effect, the bottom line on drop and invention results is not the RNG at all.

So spare me the "sample size" rationale, it is no more valid than appendage size or time zone for that matter.

If players are wondering about sudden apparant changes in their gaming chances, they've paid their dime, and they have a right to ask others if they've had similar experiences.

Anne Alingus
Posted - 2011.05.16 01:25:00 - [21]
 

It sucks that they nerfed the drop rate just for you guys. Did you insult a GM or something?


 

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