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stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.16 14:01:00 - [121]
 

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The capabilities of the onboard scanner have been substantially increased. The range is now 64 AU and the delay to return results is only 10 seconds.


CCP's Plan to Defeat Unprobeability
Step 1. Give the passive directional scanner meaningful range.
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Dead Tengus.


Emperor Salazar
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.16 14:11:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
Quote:
The capabilities of the onboard scanner have been substantially increased. The range is now 64 AU and the delay to return results is only 10 seconds.


CCP's Plan to Defeat Unprobeability
Step 1. Give the passive directional scanner meaningful range.
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Dead Tengus.




Reading comprehension fail.

Onboard scanner is different from the directional scanner.

90120
Posted - 2011.05.17 19:52:00 - [123]
 

dear soundwave salazar,
yer right. time for us to move on to another game.

Captain J Planet
Posted - 2011.05.17 20:06:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Azhpol
Gotta ask, but who the hell is stupid enough to mission... err, pve... actually, do ANYTHING in 0.0 or lowsec while not in a pvp capable ship?


Except "pvp capable" can be as simple as being able to gtfo. I've run missions in low and null with a sebo'd caracal just sniping at extreme range and speed tanking everything. When things go sour, i'm off to a safe. Assuming I get very unlucky or screw up and have them land on me, woopsie daisy, just lost a caracal. Not too difficult to replace.

That's the name of the pve game outside of lolempire (where the golden rule seems to be "just how much of this faction/deadspace can I cram on before the local temptest pilots start to notice?") is to be efficient and fast unless you're actively looking for trouble aswell. If you aren't smart enough to pve safely in a tengu (god help you because that is truely sad), just move down to a cheaper ship while you learn how to fly safe.

Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
Posted - 2011.05.18 05:26:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Captain J Planet
Originally by: Azhpol
Gotta ask, but who the hell is stupid enough to mission... err, pve... actually, do ANYTHING in 0.0 or lowsec while not in a pvp capable ship?


Except "pvp capable" can be as simple as being able to gtfo. I've run missions in low and null with a sebo'd caracal just sniping at extreme range and speed tanking everything. When things go sour, i'm off to a safe. Assuming I get very unlucky or screw up and have them land on me, woopsie daisy, just lost a caracal. Not too difficult to replace.

That's the name of the pve game outside of lolempire (where the golden rule seems to be "just how much of this faction/deadspace can I cram on before the local temptest pilots start to notice?") is to be efficient and fast unless you're actively looking for trouble aswell. If you aren't smart enough to pve safely in a tengu (god help you because that is truely sad), just move down to a cheaper ship while you learn how to fly safe.
I think thats exactly what I was saying... But ishtars are dream boats for 0.0 pve. give up 50 of your 375m3 drone bay for a flight of EC-600s and you have your GTFO button, and a tough enough tank to make use of em effectively for escape. As you said, PvP capable and ready does not always mean and to tackle and kill the ganker, just survive them.

Once again, unless your being hotdropped, but hotdrops are a whole different beast of a gank.

Cyno downn
Posted - 2011.05.18 08:11:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Azhpol


Once again, unless your being hotdropped, but hotdrops are a whole different beast of a gank.


Can you hot drop inside a mission site, I doubt it. Plus, wtf overkill..lol


Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
Posted - 2011.05.18 09:10:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Azhpol on 18/05/2011 09:11:29
Originally by: Cyno downn
Originally by: Azhpol


Once again, unless your being hotdropped, but hotdrops are a whole different beast of a gank.


Can you hot drop inside a mission site, I doubt it. Plus, wtf overkill..lol



Not sure about lighting a cyno inside a deadspace, but not many people actually do mission in 0.0... most people run anomalies(even post nerf) and plexes, both of which get hotdropped pretty frequently.

And as far as overkill, remember that you can't dock a supercarrier or titan, and with as many supercap pilots as there are nowadays who really can't do much alone for fear of risking the 40bil+ coffin they are trapped in, you have to expect them to get bored and hotdrop any pve ship that they can get even a half clear drop on. Can't fly them myself, but have had a few friends hit me up time find them hotdrop targets out of nothing but boredom. YARRRR!!

Edit: on second thought, you can hotdrop in a deadspace, otherwise you couldn't hotdrop on a plex, and the only real protection mission areas have is the fact that they are deadspace pockets.

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2011.05.18 10:18:00 - [128]
 

My experience is you can't hot drop unless it is not in deadspace which is pretty much a few non-gated missions and escalations. Even some non-gated plex/mission you still can't light the cyno, maybe you can warp carrier in I'm not sure (most likely can).

sentinel22uk
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
Posted - 2011.05.18 11:07:00 - [129]
 

omfg lol u cant even light cynos in plexes/missions! Rolling Eyes

Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
Posted - 2011.05.18 11:38:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: sentinel22uk
omfg lol u cant even light cynos in plexes/missions! Rolling Eyes

Really... Never tried it, but I sure do hear people brag/complain about hotdropping SCs in plexes taking out peoples billion isk pve boats. I'd say eve is full of BS artists, but thats not news Rolling Eyes

Jack Abramof
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:35:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Cyno downn
Originally by: Azhpol


Once again, unless your being hotdropped, but hotdrops are a whole different beast of a gank.


Can you hot drop inside a mission site, I doubt it. Plus, wtf overkill..lol




Absolutely, i recommend 3 nyx and 2 titans to kill a t3 cruiser or T1 battleship, i mean who knows what can happen , right and you dont want to mess that killboard efficicency as well, do you ?

90120
Posted - 2011.05.19 14:02:00 - [132]
 

principles. got to have principles.

VIP Ares
Minmatar
BALKAN EXPRESS
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2011.05.20 08:53:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Qalix
I never thought I'd be one of those guys who says this, but... remove unprobeable and I'm done. 2.5 years and 8 PAYING accounts. I've done just about everything there is to do in EVE. Carebear, pirate, pvp, pve, corp, solo, industry, mining, fleets, small gang, the whole nine yards. I like pvp just fine, but sometimes I just want to relax and mission. This game has become progressively more annoying for the casual/solo player. Enough is enough.


You can still do it in high sec when you want to relax. I do not understand why are you so upset. I always considered that to be a "bug" CCP made "feature" - now it will finally get fixed.

tehcontractalt
Posted - 2011.05.23 02:30:00 - [134]
 

so when is this going to happen? or is it just a rumor?

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.23 03:29:00 - [135]
 

Just a rumor for now.

90120
Posted - 2011.05.23 15:26:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: tehcontractalt
so when is this going to happen? or is it just a rumor?

They seem to have this principles thing they're on about. We'll see won't we then?

tehcontractalt
Posted - 2011.05.26 20:43:00 - [137]
 

so this is all a bunch of nothing?

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.26 20:48:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: tehcontractalt
so this is all a bunch of nothing?


I very highly doubt that it's a bunch of nothing considering a dev said they were going to get nerfed. Any interpretation of that line as anything else would seem to be wishful thinking.

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.27 07:22:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
I very highly doubt that it's a bunch of nothing considering a dev said they were going to get nerfed. Any interpretation of that line as anything else would seem to be wishful thinking.


The way I read it initially was suggesting mission-running while unprobable would be nerfed: i.e. making the mission structures/wrecks or pocket itself probable.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.27 16:30:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Target Painter
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I very highly doubt that it's a bunch of nothing considering a dev said they were going to get nerfed. Any interpretation of that line as anything else would seem to be wishful thinking.


The way I read it initially was suggesting mission-running while unprobable would be nerfed: i.e. making the mission structures/wrecks or pocket itself probable.


Why would read it that way?

Originally by: "Furb Killer"
Well then at least we can agree on removing unprobable ships from the game, no more easy mode.


Originally by: "CCP Soundwave"
No disagreement there. I'm pretty sure you'll get your wish too :)


I don't even see missions being mentioned in that section of the thread.

Henry Uliver
Posted - 2011.05.27 19:29:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren


Why would [you] read it that way?

...

I don't even see missions being mentioned in that section of the thread.


Because players are very concerned their crutch t3 booster alt will now need train for CS. Wink

It's blatantly obvious what Soudwave meant, and i'm thrilled.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.27 19:49:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Henry Uliver
Originally by: Liang Nuren


Why would [you] read it that way?

...

I don't even see missions being mentioned in that section of the thread.


Because players are very concerned their crutch t3 booster alt will now need train for CS. Wink

It's blatantly obvious what Soudwave meant, and i'm thrilled.


Command Ships 5 crew checking in. Twisted Evil

Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.27 19:54:00 - [143]
 

Haha signing on the CS5 line Cool

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.05.27 21:07:00 - [144]
 

Why so much unprobeable hate? The one thing that added some semblance of life to low sec and everyone can't wait for it to get nerfed.

Blah blah blah, "risk free" blah blah. Remind me again how it's risk free? You're still vulnerable at gates in your 1 billion+ isk ship. Unless you use a scout. Oh wait, it's ok if pirates do things easy mode with scouts, but not the guy making isk. Scanning ships is completely trivial, and all of you fuc­king know it. If unprobeable gets removed, then it's about time ship probing gets a look. It really ought to take longer than it does if CCP wants to facilitate any PvE in lowsec.

Going beyond that, why would CCP (or players) be against this? It's great for devaluing LP, getting money out of the economy via LP store purchases, etc. Hell, all you rabid PvP'ers seem to enjoy various faction mods as much as the rest of us. You really want them to go up in price? You're all being jealous; Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone reaps the benefits of unprobeable ships, even the people who aren't actively using them. Enjoy all your newfound targets. (/sarcasm) I'm sure loads of them are going to transition to "cheap disposable ships" and flock to low sec once their unprobeable Tengu is broken. Laughing

Keep living the dream gentleman. Your hopes for more targets/victims won't be met with this change. Low sec missioning is one of the few reasons to even bother with low sec. (this coming from a guy that was ready to move to low and say goodbye to high sec) If CCP removes unprobeability, then I really fu­ck­ing hope it's part of a broader set of changes and a low sec revamp.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.05.27 21:31:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Nemo deBlanc
Why so much unprobeable hate? The one thing that added some semblance of life to low sec and everyone can't wait for it to get nerfed.



Semblance of life? Yeah you see +1 in local, that's really game changing, it's CLEAR that the guy in unprobeable Tengu wanted to interact with the other players.

Thomas Phillippe
Posted - 2011.05.27 22:05:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Semblance of life? Yeah you see +1 in local, that's really game changing, it's CLEAR that the guy in unprobeable Tengu wanted to interact with the other players.


And by interact you mean bend over and take it without lub Wink.

At best this is a short-term solution to a lack-of-targets problem. In fact, I'm willing to bet this will eventually equate to even a lesser population in low sec space. If you're a pirate you will eventually end up feeling the nerf and it will be back to begging for targets.


Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.05.28 02:10:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

Semblance of life? Yeah you see +1 in local, that's really game changing, it's CLEAR that the guy in unprobeable Tengu wanted to interact with the other players.


Ah, my mistake. I forgot Tengu's are just supposed to roll over and die to any pirate who can figure out how to fit a neut to their ship.Rolling Eyes After all, wouldn't it be just terrible if you had to make all that effort to make a small gatecamp? Then you could show everyone your 1337 skills and boast about your killboard. But no; The solo pve player should just be screwed. But that lone pirate should be able to kill any 1 bil isk Tengu that dares to leave the high sec harbor.

Get real. "Interaction" in the form of dying is hardly going to earn you more targets. You want people to shoot? Give me a reason to go to low sec. Missioning is the only decent isk generating activity in low. I had my reason. But apparently, the only thing CCP can do with low sec is nerf one of the very few appeals it had.

Dopekitten
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.05.28 02:39:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Dopekitten on 28/05/2011 02:51:44
If they do nerf unprobable, this is what I am doing with my T3 gang link alts:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7615/lokiganglinkproberoutru.jpg

Edit: Here is the Tengu, fit with a 100mn AB for maximum troll.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5089/tengutenguoutrunner.jpg

Just perma the MWD all day long at a safe spot off d-scan from evreything. If anybody does probe you down, a normal probing ship won't catch you, many MWD frigs won't catch you, and even if they do, you just alt tab, overload your AB (assuming you're scrammed), and put your overloaded web + 2point on them. Warp to wherever you are aligned to after they drop point. Even a dramiel can't catch you. (unless he's AB + web fit, in which case he can't even catch up to you in the first place).

Trolololol.

My job here is done.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.28 02:43:00 - [149]
 

:) You do that. Let me know what system you do it in too

Dopekitten
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.05.28 02:49:00 - [150]
 

I'm not saying it's uncatchable, but it's certainly very difficult to catch, especially since it will be ~100km away from the prober at warpin. Plus, if you're dualboxing a T3 gang link alt and you're not periodically checking it to make sure it's not dying, you're ******ed.

If they're not expecting it, then it will take them a while to figure out what to do.



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