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Kat Bandeis
Caldari
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.05.09 22:04:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kat Bandeis on 09/05/2011 22:08:08
Been looking at a Rook for some low-sec pvp action, and curious about some suggestions. Here is the fit that I'm looking at:

[Rook, Kat's Rook]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I

ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
Medium Shield Booster II
10MN Afterburner II
Dark Blood Warp Scrambler (10.5k)
Large Shield Extender II

5x Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I


Warrior II x5

Ostracon Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.05.09 23:21:00 - [2]
 

One suggestion: Rooks have 7 midslots.

Also, why invest in the cost of a faction point and only fit a T1 distortion amp?

I'd be interested in seeing your km's.

Kat Bandeis
Caldari
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.05.09 23:29:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ostracon Amarr
One suggestion: Rooks have 7 midslots.

Also, why invest in the cost of a faction point and only fit a T1 distortion amp?

I'd be interested in seeing your km's.


Loot drops, no isk invested. :)

Renarla
Posted - 2011.05.09 23:38:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Kat Bandeis
Originally by: Ostracon Amarr
One suggestion: Rooks have 7 midslots.

Also, why invest in the cost of a faction point and only fit a T1 distortion amp?

I'd be interested in seeing your km's.


Loot drops, no isk invested. :)


"minerals I mine are free"

Spartan dax
Posted - 2011.05.09 23:58:00 - [5]
 

There's plenty wrong with that setup of yours but I'll give you one hint.
Cap booster. Solo Rooks can't do without it.

Kat Bandeis
Caldari
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.05.10 01:06:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Renarla
"minerals I mine are free"


Awesome input. Thanks for contrib--- oh, wait.

Originally by: Spartan
There's plenty wrong with that setup of yours but I'll give you one hint.
Cap booster. Solo Rooks can't do without it.


Speed is definately in issue, I'm working to get that taken care of. Any real recommendations?

Patty Patrick Patterson
Posted - 2011.05.10 01:32:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Renarla


"minerals I mine are free"

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.10 07:46:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Target Painter on 10/05/2011 07:46:41
No one with a lick of sense is going to fight your Rook.

edit: unless it's PvPPPPPPPPPPP with you being the lonely one.

Tsubutai
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.05.10 08:19:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Target Painter
No one with a lick of sense is going to fight your Rook.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.05.10 08:42:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 10/05/2011 09:00:05
Originally by: Tsubutai
Originally by: Target Painter
No one with a lick of sense is going to fight your Rook.



Thankfully there are plenty of stupids out thereWink


[Rook, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
ECM - Ion Field Projector II
ECM - White Noise Generator II
Large Shield Extender II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


Have been playing around with this and seems to do well solo and in small gangs.

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.05.10 09:54:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 10/05/2011 09:58:27
Lol 60-70mil isk in launchers.

I don't have a specific fit, but relying exclusively on a disruptor to keep them around is a really, really bad idea.
You're slow, will have to use your MWD a lot more, and the cap dies on that fit in just over a minute.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.05.10 10:16:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 10/05/2011 10:20:40
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 10/05/2011 09:58:27
Lol 60-70mil isk in launchers.

I don't have a specific fit, but relying exclusively on a disruptor to keep them around is a really, really bad idea.
You're slow, will have to use your MWD a lot more, and the cap dies on that fit in just over a minute.



I never run out of cap and never have a problem with keeping stuff in range of the disruptor. To me getting into web/scram range yourself is a bad idea. As for the launchers, I guess some of us are richer than othersRazz You could always go with XR launchers if you are poor or Malkuth if you really like your pennies.


Tsubutai
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.05.10 10:31:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: baltec1
I never run out of cap and never have a problem with keeping stuff in range of the disruptor.

Originally by: baltec1
Thankfully there are plenty of stupids out there

^ Evidently. Neutral

Anyway, I think your fit would work better if you changed it to:

[Rook, Get AWU 5, also use meta 4 jammers]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I
'Umbra' I White Noise ECM
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

More DPS, less cap consumption, T2 ammo, and half the price, in exchange for a loss of 1k EHP.

Still has no way of keeping people from burning back to gate when solo, though, so I don't see how you're going to kill anyone who's not a drooling vegetable.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.05.10 10:43:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 10/05/2011 11:08:32
Originally by: Tsubutai


Still has no way of keeping people from burning back to gate when solo, though, so I don't see how you're going to kill anyone who's not a drooling vegetable.


Well you can fit a scam if you want but I dont like getting that close. Some will escape yes but I like the range the disruptor gives so I can gtfo when it goes wrong. Im still experimenting with the fit so improvements can always be madeWink

I also just noticed that I only have level 4 in shield upgrades, thought I had trained thatEmbarassed

Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.05.10 10:59:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tsubutai
Originally by: Target Painter
No one with a lick of sense is going to fight your Rook.



Except when they fit dual ECCM and gank you down before you have another chance to jam them.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.05.10 12:44:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Suleiman Shouaa
Originally by: Tsubutai
Originally by: Target Painter
No one with a lick of sense is going to fight your Rook.



Except when they fit dual ECCM and gank you down before you have another chance to jam them.


Bit of a difference between a Falcon and a Rook.

Though under those particular circumstances, the Rook would still have some trouble.

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.05.10 13:34:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 10/05/2011 13:35:35
Quote:
I guess some of us are richer than othersRazz You could always go with XR launchers if you are poor or Malkuth if you really like your pennies.


Or tech 2 because my skills and fit don't suck.
Just because you have the money doesn't mean it's not an idiotic waste of cash.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.05.10 13:42:00 - [18]
 

Tech 2 heavies really aren't all that long of a train either. :/

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.05.10 15:15:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: baltec1
To me getting into web/scram range yourself is a bad idea.



In a Rook solo? First, as with all solo engagements, knowing what to fight, and what not to fight is key. If ever there was a Caldari ship in EvE to get up close and personal with it would be the Rook. Plus, the Rook's extreme jam strength potential means you can reliably jam almost anything that doesn't have ECCM or an extreme sensor strength, like other recons, or certain T3 fits. Jam, scram, plus a decent amount of DPS = dead target. With long-point, he can get away, either when you cap out of he burns out of point range.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.05.10 15:46:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 10/05/2011 13:35:35
Quote:
I guess some of us are richer than othersRazz You could always go with XR launchers if you are poor or Malkuth if you really like your pennies.


Or tech 2 because my skills and fit don't suck.
Just because you have the money doesn't mean it's not an idiotic waste of cash.


Ship still works. Unlike you I am at least trying to help the OP with a fit rather than having one.

As for the scram vs disrptor. Pilots choice, I just like the range option more.

ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.05.10 16:07:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: baltec1

As for the scram vs disrptor. Pilots choice, I just like the range option more.


The problem is as I see it, that the rook doesn't have much ability to hold it's target without a scram. Just the other day I was fighting a rook I guess "I don't have a lick of sense" but, I really don't usually worry about a rook too much in my myrm, but when due to miscommunication my friendly mega warped out leaving me alone against 2 drakes, a rook and a cerb, I found surprisingly the rook had no scram (I am in a blaster myrm so I was right on top the rook the other ships were far away shooting missles at range).

All I had to do then was MWD away a bit and warp, sad thing is we could have got that rook had there not been a miscommunication, seeing as people don't seem to be packing many gallente jammers these days oh well, killed a drake and didn't lose anyone I guess.

But my point is, if you are solo with only your own tackle, unless you are sure you are faster than them (i.e. in a vagabond or something) you really need to be able to shut off their MWD or they will just be able to leave.

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2011.05.10 17:38:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 10/05/2011 17:40:07
Originally by: baltec1
Thankfully there are plenty of stupids out thereWink

Fighting stupid tards is definitely going to be enjoyable pvp experience. Go for it...

Really, no. Get bc, you will get MUCH more interesting fights. Rook is gang force multiplier, you should use it only when you absolutely need to. And if you are not out there for fun, i dont care about you.

Also your fit is terrible, it seems like you dont understand basics of pvp /db scram, ab, med shield booster?/ - or you are trolling.

E: and by "gank" force multiplier i mean "gang" Very Happy

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.05.10 17:54:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 10/05/2011 17:40:07
Originally by: baltec1
Thankfully there are plenty of stupids out thereWink

Fighting stupid tards is definitely going to be enjoyable pvp experience. Go for it...

Really, no. Get bc, you will get MUCH more interesting fights. Rook is gang force multiplier, you should use it only when you absolutely need to. And if you are not out there for fun, i dont care about you.

Also your fit is terrible, it seems like you dont understand basics of pvp /db scram, ab, med shield booster?/ - or you are trolling.

E: and by "gank" force multiplier i mean "gang" Very Happy


I suppose a truly talented Rook pilot should be able to go solo against multiple targets, but at the end of the day, he'll probably only kill one because its all you'd be able to point.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.05.10 20:05:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Lugalzagezi666


Also your fit is terrible, it seems like you dont understand basics of pvp /db scram, ab, med shield booster?/ - or you are trolling.




What?

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2011.05.10 20:47:00 - [25]
 

Jam and gank. That is all.

[Rook, Solo Rook]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
ECM - Ion Field Projector II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
ECM - White Noise Generator II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile

Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I

Warrior II
Warrior II
Warrior II
Warrior II
Warrior II

Robert Farrish
Posted - 2011.05.11 11:05:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ostracon Amarr
Also, why invest in the cost of a faction point and only fit a T1 distortion amp?

iirc hypnos has same stats as T2, is easier to fit and costs less than T2. Why anyone uses T2 is unclear to me.

As for rook for solo pvp. Imo solo with ecm is lame and good luck gettin solos where you can actually kill something as any competent pilot will either not engage your rook or flies something you can't catch or has blob nearby.

LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour
Posted - 2011.05.11 11:21:00 - [27]
 

I don't see many solo caldari ships around or if it is, that's a drake which i doubt u can drop in time or even ever.

Drop caldari jammer for something else i suggest..

Professional Retard
Posted - 2011.05.11 12:12:00 - [28]
 

Got a suggestions, dont fly ecm ***

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:32:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: LordInvisible
I don't see many solo caldari ships around or if it is, that's a drake which i doubt u can drop in time or even ever.

Drop caldari jammer for something else i suggest..


A Rook is quite capable of dropping a Drake solo, if he can keep it jammed. If you miss a cycle though, you're going to be challenged

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:39:00 - [30]
 

Drake will load stalker fofs and rook is going home soon.
Especially that loltastic fit without any sign of buffer. Ofc there is bigger chance its going to het alphad somewhere "on the way to solo pvp."


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