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Calmir Zin
Posted - 2011.05.11 13:05:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Calmir Zin on 11/05/2011 13:07:29
Edited by: Calmir Zin on 11/05/2011 13:07:19
Edited by: Calmir Zin on 11/05/2011 13:05:38
Originally by: Arlsen
Originally by: Calmir Zin
You do get what some people refer to as 'dynamic wormholes', which spawn in K-Space. K-Space systems never have 'statics'. To my knowledge the only wormholes you get in W-Space (bugs aside) are statics and the resultant exit K162's.

There's the red flag that's setting everyone off. You do know there are roaming, named (non-K162) wormholes which are not statics right? If you find a C140 in a C5 system are you going to claim it's got a lowsec static connection? Of course you are, because you're not listening to what everybody else is telling you


The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.

Malkev
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:31:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Calmir Zin
All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

Thing is, they don't all respawn on a daily basis like you are claiming. We would get a Y683 about once a month in our C2, far from daily.

Originally by: Calmir Zin
This gives you ready access to hisec for all your shopping and trading requirements, and immediate daily access to both C2 and C4 sites.


Bo Pipe
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:08:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Calmir Zin
The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.


This is absolutely, completely, 100% false.

In my wormhole, every few days (on average) I get a Z142 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Every couple of weeks (on average) I get a C140 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Every couple of months (on average) I get a D792 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Either you have no idea what you are talking about or you are intentionally trying to mislead people in order to scam a much higher price than your wormhole is really worth.

Calmir Zin
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:37:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Calmir Zin on 11/05/2011 15:38:00
Originally by: Bo Pipe
Originally by: Calmir Zin
The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.


This is absolutely, completely, 100% false.

In my wormhole, every few days (on average) I get a Z142 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Every couple of weeks (on average) I get a C140 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Every couple of months (on average) I get a D792 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Either you have no idea what you are talking about or you are intentionally trying to mislead people in order to scam a much higher price than your wormhole is really worth.



You are contradicting yourself here Bo Peep. You say your wormholes do not respawn so they are not statics, and then say they do respawn after a week or so. Any wormhole which *respawns* (either daily or weekly) is a 'static' wormhole - as I keep on saying.

I maintain through experience, that it is quite possible to have 3 statics which respawn daily however. The wormhole I have here for sale is one such wormhole. Rare, and highly desirable as it is...

Humsi Schlouff
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:56:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Humsi Schlouff on 11/05/2011 15:59:21
Static is when a WH reopens within the minute it collapsed.

All others are just occurrences.

Edit: removed already posted obvious link.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:24:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Calmir Zin
Edited by: Calmir Zin on 11/05/2011 15:38:00
Originally by: Bo Pipe
Originally by: Calmir Zin
The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.


This is absolutely, completely, 100% false.

In my wormhole, every few days (on average) I get a Z142 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Every couple of weeks (on average) I get a C140 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Every couple of months (on average) I get a D792 dynamic. It does not respawn when it collapses.

Either you have no idea what you are talking about or you are intentionally trying to mislead people in order to scam a much higher price than your wormhole is really worth.



You are contradicting yourself here Bo Peep. You say your wormholes do not respawn so they are not statics, and then say they do respawn after a week or so. Any wormhole which *respawns* (either daily or weekly) is a 'static' wormhole - as I keep on saying.

I maintain through experience, that it is quite possible to have 3 statics which respawn daily however. The wormhole I have here for sale is one such wormhole. Rare, and highly desirable as it is...



By your definition, arnon has a C5 static. I've scanned through there a few times and twice have found a C5 wormhole. In fact, if I wait long enough it'll spawn another C5 wormhole. Wormholes are only static if they are in fact always open, thus are static. If you wait long enough in any WH, you'll get a period in which outgoing/incoming wormholes of the same type will spawn repeatedly within a 1 month period, but that doesn't mean it's a static that just means you had several wormholes spawn! What you are doing is trying to bend the definition of a static wormhole for your own personal gain while dancing around semantics and claiming you have more experience than anyone in this thread. I'd like to see you try that with Tau or any K162/Rooks & Kings members, because they sure as hell have been doing this much longer than you.

Bo Pipe
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:17:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Bo Pipe on 11/05/2011 18:17:35
Originally by: Calmir Zin
You are contradicting yourself here Bo Peep. You say your wormholes do not respawn so they are not statics, and then say they do respawn after a week or so. Any wormhole which *respawns* (either daily or weekly) is a 'static' wormhole - as I keep on saying.

I maintain through experience, that it is quite possible to have 3 statics which respawn daily however. The wormhole I have here for sale is one such wormhole. Rare, and highly desirable as it is...


Again, you are incorrect. A static wormhole is one that, once collapsed, will immediately respawn elsewhere in the system. Your misunderstanding of this has lead you to argue that a dynamic wormhole is the same thing as a static - it isn't.

Forgotten Heathen
Heretical Innovations
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:08:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Calmir Zin
Edited by: Calmir Zin on 11/05/2011 13:07:29
Edited by: Calmir Zin on 11/05/2011 13:07:19
Edited by: Calmir Zin on 11/05/2011 13:05:38
Originally by: Arlsen
Originally by: Calmir Zin
You do get what some people refer to as 'dynamic wormholes', which spawn in K-Space. K-Space systems never have 'statics'. To my knowledge the only wormholes you get in W-Space (bugs aside) are statics and the resultant exit K162's.

There's the red flag that's setting everyone off. You do know there are roaming, named (non-K162) wormholes which are not statics right? If you find a C140 in a C5 system are you going to claim it's got a lowsec static connection? Of course you are, because you're not listening to what everybody else is telling you


The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.


Arslen nailed it on the head. This guy thinks anything not named K162 is a "static". Wow. You sir have no idea what you are talking about. You've never lived in a wormhole system and scanned everyday for months at a time have you? It is obvious you have not. You are certainly not an expert on anything related to wormholes.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.05.12 14:25:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 12/05/2011 15:37:11
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 12/05/2011 15:36:08
Originally by: Calmir Zin
The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.

This is incorrect.

Wormholes come in two flavors: static and random. The incoming side is always K162. BOTH random and static wormholes can originate in w-space. All wormholes originating in k-space are random.

Statics are always outgoing, but just because it is outgoing doesn't mean it is static!

Static wormholes are always outgoing, and respawn almost immediately after they collapse (instantly to a few minutes, depending on server lag). Random outgoing wormholes don't respawn immediately after they collapse.

I've been living in w-space since Apocrypha created it (2+ years). I've never scanned a C2 with more than 2 statics, nor heard of one with more than 2 statics.

Warp to all the wormholes in a system. After a few days you will realize which ones are outgoing, respawning, and therefore static.

For example, once or twice a month our C5 gets a random outgoing D792 to hisec. It collapses and doesn't respawn immediately, ergo it isn't static. We also get other random wormholes. However we only have one outgoing wormhole that always respawns: a H296 static (C5).

Hennrik's Girlfriend
Posted - 2011.05.12 15:02:00 - [40]
 

What 99% of wspace dwellers refer to as 'statics'
are those non-K162 whs which always are of the same
type and ALWAYS IMMEDIATELY respawn. If you have a
static, you have it AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT IN TIME,
and not maybe next week.

You may privately refer to all sorts of random spawns
as 'statics' (would you call radars and magnetos
static, too, as they will eventally respawn next week
maybe?), but that is your private use of language and
will not raise the value of the wh you are advertising.

Rather, it will damage your reputation as people will
assume you have no idea about what youre dealing with.
Best to mark this thread as SOLD and carry on with
business after some reading up on wormholes Idea - or
prefferably living in them as most of your clients do.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.12 15:47:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Calmir Zin

The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.


Holy crap, the fail has reached epic proportions. Our C2 has static C2/Lows. Every day we can find our C2 and low. Last week, however, I found not only our static C2 and low, but an additional C2. These are random holes that will periodically and unpredictably spawn, then go away. They are not static. They do not come back every day. We've had the rare (for us) random hole to high sec spawn. Seen a couple randoms to C3s. No, we don't have four statics as your argument might mislead people to believe.

padraig animal
Minmatar
Devil Corp
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
Posted - 2011.06.17 12:50:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: padraig animal on 17/06/2011 12:50:10
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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
Posted - 2011.06.17 13:51:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Calmir Zin

The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.


Holy crap, the fail has reached epic proportions. Our C2 has static C2/Lows. Every day we can find our C2 and low. Last week, however, I found not only our static C2 and low, but an additional C2. These are random holes that will periodically and unpredictably spawn, then go away. They are not static. They do not come back every day. We've had the rare (for us) random hole to high sec spawn. Seen a couple randoms to C3s. No, we don't have four statics as your argument might mislead people to believe.


LIES!!
We know your in poession of the super,ultra rare C2 w/ 4 statics....Tell them Calmir Zin, don't blow my hero image of you

Victory Marilyn
Posted - 2011.06.17 17:22:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Calmir Zin
The reason why Arlsen, is that there are no such thing as 'roaming' wormholes. The only roaming wormholes as you call them, are the dynamic wormholes that spawn in K-Space and terminate in W-Space. All wormholes which spawn in W-Space are statics as they *always* respawn.

If you're not looking at a K162 in W-Space, it is a static.


By your logic, all the Grav sites in my system are Static too.

By the people living in W-Space, a "Static" wormhole is a wormhole that when it collapses IMMEDIATELY respawns another IN THE SAME SYSTEM. If the named non K162 wormhole does not immediately respawn in the same system it is not a static. Call it whatever the heck you want, but the fact you get a "floating" "Transient" "Temporary" wormhole "every so often" does not make them static. The fact they respawn "somewhere" and eventually "come back" does not make them static. They can not be counted on and most likely there are a certain number assigned to your region that bounce between systems in a random way.

Stop trying to create terms to suit your sale of a system, when 99% of the people don't use a term that way.

Risingson
Posted - 2011.06.17 17:26:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Risingson on 17/06/2011 17:35:43
Originally by: Calmir Zin
I have scanned the system in question repeatedly over several days - there are 3 (three) statics present. For every 10 wormholes in W-Space I guarentee you the statics will not be listed correctly on staticmapper.com and eveeye.

the static info on eveeye.com is the truth afaik.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.17 17:30:00 - [46]
 

I've traveled wormholes for months, I've had several wormholes with 7 other wormholes and screen shots if anyone gives a ****. Now, just because it has 3 NON K162 even for a few days, doesn't make it a static wh.

I personally have been in over 250 different wormhole systems of c3 and under, again I have bms if anyone gives a ****. I have never seen three statics. I have seen MANY c2s with three NON k162, but that wasn't because it had three statics. There are several whs that randomly link the clusters together.

Op, you should probably reconsider your absolute knowledge,
AG


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